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Re: Grange: Raptors prepared to be patient with Webster leading over the long term 

Post#81 » by WuTang_CMB » Yesterday 2:32 pm

That kind of move, for one of the big names potentially on the block, isn’t particularly likely. Davis, as gifted as he may be, is too big an injury gamble. Morant, as explosive as he can be on the court, is too potentially combustible off it. Sabonis might be too big a defensive liability for the liking of Toronto’s defence-focused coaching staff.

Beyond those reasons, there is Webster’s stated philosophy of prioritizing roster flexibility until the moment is right.

“Until you feel like the team is locked in or that the team is becoming a contending team, I think you have to stay flexible,” Webster was telling NBA radio’s Sam Mitchell and Brian Geltzeiler on the weekend. “You want to keep all that maximum flexibility until I think you feel like you have a really good team, and then you can lock in. You can say, ‘This guy gets his contract. We’re going to trade three or four first-round picks for somebody.’ But I think that’s the fun of it.”

Do the Raptors consider themselves a contending team? Their 25-19 record heading into Tuesday ranked 11th in the league, within spitting distance of teams that consider themselves in the title race. And if you believe defence wins in the playoffs, they ranked fifth in defensive efficiency through Monday.

Not that there aren’t reasons to anticipate tougher times ahead. The Raptors face the second-hardest remaining schedule in the East, as measured by the combined .512 winning percentage of opponents heading into Tuesday. And for all their good defence, they ranked dead last in three-point shooting percentage and 22nd in offensive efficiency.

That speaks to their potential trade-deadline shopping list. For one, they could use more shooting. For another, they could use more size, especially with Poeltl in a continual battle with a bad back. The latter seems the most likely area of emphasis. The Raptors have needed more shooting for years, after all, and done little to address it.

“I think the depth in the front court is something we’ll look to address at the trade deadline,” Webster told NBA radio. “Whether it’s a backup third centre or if you can just upgrade, but those are all the things we’re looking at … You know, New York and Cleveland are big. I think you want to be able to match up with those teams, but you also want to stay true to your identity.”

In other words, don’t expect the Raptors to bow to the need for a traditional centre, a move they have largely resisted. In that same interview, Webster said the “silver lining” of Poeltl’s injury-related absences has been seeing the long-limbed likes of the six-foot-eight Barnes and six-foot-seven Collin Murray-Boyles show off their ability to match up with taller opponents and more than hold their own. If those kinds of assignments have been a showcase of versatility, it doesn’t mean they’re optimal for winning in the playoffs, which, given how this season has gone to date, has to be the organizational goal. To maximize Toronto’s chances of advancing, there are roster holes that need patching. How Webster approaches that job will help clarify the scope of Toronto’s competitive ceiling.

“We’re always going to be opportunistic, you know us,” Webster told NBA radio. “We’re going to be in the market. We’re going to be poking and prodding and seeing what’s available … The 12 years I’ve been in Toronto (the idea has been) to keep that flexibility. When there’s a chance to make a deal, make a deal.”


https://www.thestar.com/sports/raptors/the-raptors-could-be-no-1-in-the-east-with-the-right-moves-what-are/article_5448a258-0b1d-42cc-8759-0062241c6053.html?utm_sf_cserv_ref=20455865&utm_sf_post_ref=656394272
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Re: Grange: Raptors prepared to be patient with Webster leading over the long term 

Post#82 » by PushDaRock » Yesterday 4:04 pm

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That kind of move, for one of the big names potentially on the block, isn’t particularly likely. Davis, as gifted as he may be, is too big an injury gamble. Morant, as explosive as he can be on the court, is too potentially combustible off it. Sabonis might be too big a defensive liability for the liking of Toronto’s defence-focused coaching staff.

Beyond those reasons, there is Webster’s stated philosophy of prioritizing roster flexibility until the moment is right.

“Until you feel like the team is locked in or that the team is becoming a contending team, I think you have to stay flexible,” Webster was telling NBA radio’s Sam Mitchell and Brian Geltzeiler on the weekend. “You want to keep all that maximum flexibility until I think you feel like you have a really good team, and then you can lock in. You can say, ‘This guy gets his contract. We’re going to trade three or four first-round picks for somebody.’ But I think that’s the fun of it.”

Do the Raptors consider themselves a contending team? Their 25-19 record heading into Tuesday ranked 11th in the league, within spitting distance of teams that consider themselves in the title race. And if you believe defence wins in the playoffs, they ranked fifth in defensive efficiency through Monday.

Not that there aren’t reasons to anticipate tougher times ahead. The Raptors face the second-hardest remaining schedule in the East, as measured by the combined .512 winning percentage of opponents heading into Tuesday. And for all their good defence, they ranked dead last in three-point shooting percentage and 22nd in offensive efficiency.

That speaks to their potential trade-deadline shopping list. For one, they could use more shooting. For another, they could use more size, especially with Poeltl in a continual battle with a bad back. The latter seems the most likely area of emphasis. The Raptors have needed more shooting for years, after all, and done little to address it.

“I think the depth in the front court is something we’ll look to address at the trade deadline,” Webster told NBA radio. “Whether it’s a backup third centre or if you can just upgrade, but those are all the things we’re looking at … You know, New York and Cleveland are big. I think you want to be able to match up with those teams, but you also want to stay true to your identity.”

In other words, don’t expect the Raptors to bow to the need for a traditional centre, a move they have largely resisted. In that same interview, Webster said the “silver lining” of Poeltl’s injury-related absences has been seeing the long-limbed likes of the six-foot-eight Barnes and six-foot-seven Collin Murray-Boyles show off their ability to match up with taller opponents and more than hold their own. If those kinds of assignments have been a showcase of versatility, it doesn’t mean they’re optimal for winning in the playoffs, which, given how this season has gone to date, has to be the organizational goal. To maximize Toronto’s chances of advancing, there are roster holes that need patching. How Webster approaches that job will help clarify the scope of Toronto’s competitive ceiling.

“We’re always going to be opportunistic, you know us,” Webster told NBA radio. “We’re going to be in the market. We’re going to be poking and prodding and seeing what’s available … The 12 years I’ve been in Toronto (the idea has been) to keep that flexibility. When there’s a chance to make a deal, make a deal.”


https://www.thestar.com/sports/raptors/the-raptors-could-be-no-1-in-the-east-with-the-right-moves-what-are/article_5448a258-0b1d-42cc-8759-0062241c6053.html?utm_sf_cserv_ref=20455865&utm_sf_post_ref=656394272


Oh wow, the C Truthers are excited!!!
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Re: Grange: Raptors prepared to be patient with Webster leading over the long term 

Post#83 » by MEDIC » Yesterday 4:25 pm

WuTang_CMB wrote:
That kind of move, for one of the big names potentially on the block, isn’t particularly likely. Davis, as gifted as he may be, is too big an injury gamble. Morant, as explosive as he can be on the court, is too potentially combustible off it. Sabonis might be too big a defensive liability for the liking of Toronto’s defence-focused coaching staff.

Beyond those reasons, there is Webster’s stated philosophy of prioritizing roster flexibility until the moment is right.

“Until you feel like the team is locked in or that the team is becoming a contending team, I think you have to stay flexible,” Webster was telling NBA radio’s Sam Mitchell and Brian Geltzeiler on the weekend. “You want to keep all that maximum flexibility until I think you feel like you have a really good team, and then you can lock in. You can say, ‘This guy gets his contract. We’re going to trade three or four first-round picks for somebody.’ But I think that’s the fun of it.”

Do the Raptors consider themselves a contending team? Their 25-19 record heading into Tuesday ranked 11th in the league, within spitting distance of teams that consider themselves in the title race. And if you believe defence wins in the playoffs, they ranked fifth in defensive efficiency through Monday.

Not that there aren’t reasons to anticipate tougher times ahead. The Raptors face the second-hardest remaining schedule in the East, as measured by the combined .512 winning percentage of opponents heading into Tuesday. And for all their good defence, they ranked dead last in three-point shooting percentage and 22nd in offensive efficiency.

That speaks to their potential trade-deadline shopping list. For one, they could use more shooting. For another, they could use more size, especially with Poeltl in a continual battle with a bad back. The latter seems the most likely area of emphasis. The Raptors have needed more shooting for years, after all, and done little to address it.

“I think the depth in the front court is something we’ll look to address at the trade deadline,” Webster told NBA radio. “Whether it’s a backup third centre or if you can just upgrade, but those are all the things we’re looking at … You know, New York and Cleveland are big. I think you want to be able to match up with those teams, but you also want to stay true to your identity.”

In other words, don’t expect the Raptors to bow to the need for a traditional centre, a move they have largely resisted. In that same interview, Webster said the “silver lining” of Poeltl’s injury-related absences has been seeing the long-limbed likes of the six-foot-eight Barnes and six-foot-seven Collin Murray-Boyles show off their ability to match up with taller opponents and more than hold their own. If those kinds of assignments have been a showcase of versatility, it doesn’t mean they’re optimal for winning in the playoffs, which, given how this season has gone to date, has to be the organizational goal. To maximize Toronto’s chances of advancing, there are roster holes that need patching. How Webster approaches that job will help clarify the scope of Toronto’s competitive ceiling.

“We’re always going to be opportunistic, you know us,” Webster told NBA radio. “We’re going to be in the market. We’re going to be poking and prodding and seeing what’s available … The 12 years I’ve been in Toronto (the idea has been) to keep that flexibility. When there’s a chance to make a deal, make a deal.”


https://www.thestar.com/sports/raptors/the-raptors-could-be-no-1-in-the-east-with-the-right-moves-what-are/article_5448a258-0b1d-42cc-8759-0062241c6053.html?utm_sf_cserv_ref=20455865&utm_sf_post_ref=656394272


It's a smart approach & I think it's the best approach for this franchise. Know what's available out there, but don't be in a rush. Just wait for opportunity & jump on it when it presents itself.

In the meantime, you focus on development of your team & your assets. If this team organically starts to win 50+ games a year for 2-3 seasons, you consider being a tax team again to get them over the hump.
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Re: Grange: Raptors prepared to be patient with Webster leading over the long term 

Post#84 » by theonlyeastcoastrapsfan » Yesterday 5:13 pm

WuTang_CMB wrote:
That kind of move, for one of the big names potentially on the block, isn’t particularly likely. Davis, as gifted as he may be, is too big an injury gamble. Morant, as explosive as he can be on the court, is too potentially combustible off it. Sabonis might be too big a defensive liability for the liking of Toronto’s defence-focused coaching staff.

Beyond those reasons, there is Webster’s stated philosophy of prioritizing roster flexibility until the moment is right.

“Until you feel like the team is locked in or that the team is becoming a contending team, I think you have to stay flexible,” Webster was telling NBA radio’s Sam Mitchell and Brian Geltzeiler on the weekend. “You want to keep all that maximum flexibility until I think you feel like you have a really good team, and then you can lock in. You can say, ‘This guy gets his contract. We’re going to trade three or four first-round picks for somebody.’ But I think that’s the fun of it.”

Do the Raptors consider themselves a contending team? Their 25-19 record heading into Tuesday ranked 11th in the league, within spitting distance of teams that consider themselves in the title race. And if you believe defence wins in the playoffs, they ranked fifth in defensive efficiency through Monday.

Not that there aren’t reasons to anticipate tougher times ahead. The Raptors face the second-hardest remaining schedule in the East, as measured by the combined .512 winning percentage of opponents heading into Tuesday. And for all their good defence, they ranked dead last in three-point shooting percentage and 22nd in offensive efficiency.

That speaks to their potential trade-deadline shopping list. For one, they could use more shooting. For another, they could use more size, especially with Poeltl in a continual battle with a bad back. The latter seems the most likely area of emphasis. The Raptors have needed more shooting for years, after all, and done little to address it.

“I think the depth in the front court is something we’ll look to address at the trade deadline,” Webster told NBA radio. “Whether it’s a backup third centre or if you can just upgrade, but those are all the things we’re looking at … You know, New York and Cleveland are big. I think you want to be able to match up with those teams, but you also want to stay true to your identity.”

In other words, don’t expect the Raptors to bow to the need for a traditional centre, a move they have largely resisted. In that same interview, Webster said the “silver lining” of Poeltl’s injury-related absences has been seeing the long-limbed likes of the six-foot-eight Barnes and six-foot-seven Collin Murray-Boyles show off their ability to match up with taller opponents and more than hold their own. If those kinds of assignments have been a showcase of versatility, it doesn’t mean they’re optimal for winning in the playoffs, which, given how this season has gone to date, has to be the organizational goal. To maximize Toronto’s chances of advancing, there are roster holes that need patching. How Webster approaches that job will help clarify the scope of Toronto’s competitive ceiling.

“We’re always going to be opportunistic, you know us,” Webster told NBA radio. “We’re going to be in the market. We’re going to be poking and prodding and seeing what’s available … The 12 years I’ve been in Toronto (the idea has been) to keep that flexibility. When there’s a chance to make a deal, make a deal.”


https://www.thestar.com/sports/raptors/the-raptors-could-be-no-1-in-the-east-with-the-right-moves-what-are/article_5448a258-0b1d-42cc-8759-0062241c6053.html?utm_sf_cserv_ref=20455865&utm_sf_post_ref=656394272


So, is no one going to ask what happened to the flexibility we priortized and did they consider doing a check on Jacob's health before extending him?
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Re: Grange: Raptors prepared to be patient with Webster leading over the long term 

Post#85 » by DG88 » Yesterday 6:10 pm

I always was of the belief that unless it was a worthwhile risk the Raptors were only going to so moves that got them under the luxury tax and fill in the back up C spot. Those star moves don't move the needle for me this year. Those are moves you make to get over the hump when you're chasing a Championship. We're chasing getting into the playoffs after 3 years and growing from there.
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Post#86 » by WiggOuts » Today 6:42 am

They're not dealing IQ now, its makes zero sense when you'd have to give up assets to get off his deal, there's no scenario where we get better by doing that. Same goes for Poeltl...RJ i can see being an actual candidate to be moved because I think his money would go towards keeping Mamu and Shead and even still I doubt they move him...I expect this to be a boring deadline, I wouldn't even be surprised if they can't even get a big for Ochai, they're definitely gonna have to give up a pick with him
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Post#87 » by theonlyeastcoastrapsfan » Today 2:10 pm

I was listening to the Hello and Welcome pod and they had and episode on this and the IQ quandry. With regards to Bobby they had a quote from Granges piece from Pelley that Bobby is under no pressure to win now and has our support. Then later on they report that they will discuss his future and extension after the trade deadline. I mean, if you don't want a guy to feel pressure, you extend him. If you have meeting after the last chance to improve the team, and discuss his future then, can you really pretend that it has no relevance. I don't expect the owners want to sell out their teams future for a quick playoff appearance, but it's good to hear I guess. I still don't have an idea what Bobbys philosophy is, what the daylight is from Masai.

At the end of the day, to the ceiling of this Raps era, the IQ deal, some wasted picks (Dick, Walter) and the Poeltl deal really, really hurt. I get the draft being a crap shoot, but jacob extension wasnt even needed then, nore was the IQ deal. They traded OG for two SG's and decided IQ was the one to keep, and then made him play out of position. Don't believe me, that's what Darko himself brings up as the reason for IQ's struggles. Could have let IQ be an RFA. As great as it is to be able to compete in east this year I don't see a lot of reason to believe in the decision making.
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Post#88 » by WuTang_CMB » Today 2:17 pm

theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote:I was listening to the Hello and Welcome pod and they had and episode on this and the IQ quandry. With regards to Bobby they had a quote from Granges piece from Pelley that Bobby is under no pressure to win now and has our support. Then later on they report that they will discuss his future and extension after the trade deadline. I mean, if you don't want a guy to feel pressure, you extend him. If you have meeting after the last chance to improve the team, and discuss his future then, can you really pretend that it has no relevance. I don't expect the owners want to sell out their teams future for a quick playoff appearance, but it's good to hear I guess. I still don't have an idea what Bobbys philosophy is, what the daylight is from Masai.

At the end of the day, to the ceiling of this Raps era, the IQ deal, some wasted picks (Dick, Walter) and the Poeltl deal really, really hurt. I get the draft being a crap shoot, but jacob extension wasnt even needed then, nore was the IQ deal. They traded OG for two SG's and decided IQ was the one to keep, and then made him play out of position. Don't believe me, that's what Darko himself brings up as the reason for IQ's struggles. Could have let IQ be an RFA. As great as it is to be able to compete in east this year I don't see a lot of reason to believe in the decision making.


MLSE is a corporate board structure. Waiting until after the deadline is completely reasonable since they wanted to see how the team would perform this season. He's also under contract for next season so they could even finalize his extension in the off-season, which is probably what they will do - and maybe give him a promotion in title

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