Official Bargnani Discussion Thread

[supersub15]

OK, back from my meeting, and I see that I'm being tagged - AGAIN - as a hater. This board never ceases to amaze. I understand dagger's temper tantrums; I've come to expect those every time I post something about Bargnani, but CC, you disappoint me.

Dude is about to become the worst rebounding center in the history of the NBA and this is not news!!!

I promise dagger that I will post a thread about Bargnani's 3-pt shooting in the next couple of days. Don't shoot the messenger if it doesn't turn out positive!

[hstang]

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My agenda is the Raptors' success, PERIOD. For some here, I conclude that it is not. They revel in our failures, and are silent when somebody really does something good.

You said it.

For me, I don't care too much if the Raptors win (don't get me wrong, I want them to win all the games). The raptors can lose a hard fought game, and if they showed heart, determination and, most importantly, progress towards building a championship type caliber team, I would be satisfied with the result.

Everyone knows that we are only going as far as Bargnani, our assumed next-in-line allstar, will allow us to go. Seeing this kind of progress (or lack there of) for these many games this season is very concerning, and this does not bold well for franchise' aspirations to win a championship.

It's great to see AP, Moon, and the other supporting characters do well in games like yesterday. But guess what, they are just that--supporting characters. What happens when they don't perform like they did for future games coupled with Bargnani near "donut" performances? AP has been wildly inconsistent. Moon sucks with his jumpshot; he doesn't drive enough and his D is just as inconsistent as AP.

If you want to see more meaningful wins, you need Bargnani to start playing at a higher level than what's he's displaying right now or what you see is what you get, which is a 500-team that shows no indication that they are ready for the playoffs.

[uniballer]

SS and a thread Killing bargnani!!!!


wow havent seen a thread like this before

[The_Hater]

The only real center in that list is Brad Sellers who played mostly for the Chicago Bulls, so that puts Bargnani 2nd among centers.

Actually Brad Sellers usually played SF for the Bulls. He was the starting SF on this team, Corzine was the Center, Oakley the PF and Pippen came off the bench.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/1988.html

[miruss2001]

So lets have a board with just happy people posting happy, positive thoughts. Debate is the cornerstone of dialog. If SS had NOT posted stats supporting his argument I would have likewise torn into him. But he didn't.

So if a supported argument against a fact/player/whatever you like is presented, you going to get up in arms? What will you do with the unsupported/baseless/banal arguments.

Pick the right battles man...

[shots n stops]

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He's picking Bargnani apart by posting a new thread almost every day. He doesn't even bump up an old thread.

And strangely enough, SuperScrub doesn't like posting in threads other people start, only in those he starts, because he's an attention whore to boot.

[Platapie]

So lets have a board with just happy people posting happy, positive thoughts.

As opposed to a board of unhappy people posting only unhappy, negative thoughts?

Maybe it's just me, but I **** GLADLY take the positive extreme if I'm forced to choose.

[supersub15]

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Actually Brad Sellers usually played SF for the Bulls. He was the starting SF on this team, Corzine was the Center, Oakley the PF and Pippen came off the bench.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/1988.html

In my search, he was listed as a Center. But according to the starting lineups, he was SF, with Artis Gilmore and Charles Oakley being C and PF.

That makes Bargnani as the worst rebounding center then.

[Vorticity]

you've gotta be kidding me!

So when fans (who are as passionate and concerned about our team's success as everybody else) are concerned that their FUTURE C is among the worst rebounders in the league and doesn't rebound ****, they are haters and spread negativity? c'mon!

What else is a centre supposed to do then? mop the floor? hand out Gatorade? stroll on the court? watch his teammates grab rebounds?

CC and dagger you've taken tunnel vision to a new level.

Like it or not it's a legitimate concern and a major factor in our team's success, having a passive C who doesn't rebounds affects the team's success.

How many times has Smitch mentioned that the team's success relies directly on how bargs plays? (as a C).

[C Court]

I've come to expect those every time I post something about Bargnani, but CC, you disappoint me.

Dude is about to become the worst rebounding center in the history of the NBA and this is not news!!!

Consider the disappointment mutual!

On the other hand, thanks for the clarification. I had no idea how serious an issue this is.

My god, if only I knew earlier that based on 96 NBA games played by Bargnani, that the Supersub NBA Career Prediction Desk has officially determined that Andrea is about to become the Worst Rebounding Center in the History of the NBA and there is no way to ever improve on these trends, then I would not have made my earlier posts!

Someone call Bryan Colangelo with this breaking news, asap.

[Yuri Vaultin]

I'm just happy we didn't draft Morrison like so many of you wanted...

[AfricanSensation]

The fact is this is a valid thread thats why it was not locked. This is new info, the guy is the worst rebounding Center ever, I assumed it and now I have proof. Instead of bitching about negative posts why don't you guys create positive threads?

Like I said there was a thread about Kapono passing Kerr has the best 3pt shooter ever and nobody seemed to care, including all you so called positive posters.

You guys prefer bitching in negative threads than contribute in positive ones. Create a Jose is the all time leader in ast/to ratio thread or something...

Some of us here just like to get info and like good discussion, either related to good or bad news or stat.

If the argument are weak and people are just bashing for no reason its different. But if the stats are real, why just disregard them?

[AfricanSensation]

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Consider the disappointment mutual!

On the other hand, thanks for the clarification. I had no idea how serious an issue this is.

My god, if only I knew earlier that based on 96 NBA games played by Bargnani, that the Supersub NBA Career Prediction Desk has officially determined that Andrea is about to become the Worst Rebounding Center in the History of the NBA and there is no way to ever improve on these trends, then I would not have made my earlier posts!

Someone call Bryan Colangelo with this breaking news, asap.

SS never said that, don't put word in his mouth if you have no argument!

[dagger]

Of course it's also debatable who is even playing a particular position since Bosh and Bargnani - or any two of our bigs - are switching cover regularly. Both took turns covering Ilgauskus on Sunday, which only goes to show the limitations of any analysis which purports to describe a player in a unitary fashion.

[Jimmy King]

Doesn't Bargs really play PF anyway? According to 82games he has only played 13% of the team's total minutes there (29% at PF). It seems pretty arbitrary to only include centers in this ranking.

[The_Hater]

Agenda driving posters? Let see...

Gay average 19-5
Dagger Response: Yeah but how many games are they winning?
(Total disregard for the fact that Bosh didn't win nothing for 3 years)

Aldridge average 19-9 leading a 22-13 Blazers team.
Dagger Response: Yeah They won even the 3 games he was injured
(Total disregard for the fact that the Hornets were 6-0 without Chris Paul when he went out last year)

Bargs average 9-3 on the season shooting 20% in december and about to become the worst defensive 7footer ever.
Dagger Response: His talent his obvious, give him time, stop focusing on his negatives, look he can shoot 3s

Clearly Dagger does not have any agenda unlike other people here, he is just an objective observer....

He still won't get it.

[Reignman]

Bargs' development was severly hampered in the off season when he went to go play for the Italian NT. I have no doubt about it. While his peers were working on their weaknesses in preparation for their second season, Bargs was practising with the NT, and I'm pretty sure they didn't give a **** about him learning to play like a NBA Center, and watching their games, sure enough, Bargs was used as a jumpshooting PF.

Don't jump to conclusions, I'm glad he got the opportunity to represent his country, but I'm also happy that they didn't qualify.

Next off season, put this guy in a big man camp, have him practice in summer league, and then apply everything he's learnt in pre-season. That's the way it should go down.

He's basically learning the position on the job this season, and his game reflects that lack of preparation.

[Toxicity]

Doesn't Bargs really play PF anyway? According to 82games he has only played 13% of the team's total minutes there (29% at PF). It seems pretty arbitrary to only include centers in this ranking.

Yeah, Bargnani is not playing C really... Bosh and him are swithing often their positions. Also, when Humpries is in the lineup, Andrea is PF...

BTW Bargnani is not a true C and will never be. Put it in your mind...

[C Court]

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SS never said that, don't put word in his mouth if you have no argument!

SS is making a prediction that Bargnani is about to become the Worst Rebounding Center in NBA History based on his performance in only 96 games.

When you consider that Bargs will minimally have at least a 4 or 5 year NBA career, the sample size of games is not large enough to make that prediction, unless SS believes that Bargnani has no chance to improve.

So, yes ... I do have a valid argument.

[Jimmy King]

A ranking by size would make more sense.