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Re: Official CBA/Labour Talks Discussion Thread 

Post#801 » by dhackett1565 » Fri Sep 30, 2011 2:23 pm

dacrusha wrote:Unless revenue sharing is made part of the agreement, it looks like MLSE will profit quite handsomely from this new CBA. Their cut of BRI will increase by 7%, but their operating costs will remain the same.

Just like the NHL's latest agreement, the rich teams stand to get richer and the poor teams will continue to tread water.


Revenue sharing will definitely be part of the agreement - I believe the owners have said they have already agreed on a basic revenue sharing concept that will be much more aggressive than the current model.
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Post#802 » by dacrusha » Fri Sep 30, 2011 2:28 pm

dhackett1565 wrote:
dacrusha wrote:Unless revenue sharing is made part of the agreement, it looks like MLSE will profit quite handsomely from this new CBA. Their cut of BRI will increase by 7%, but their operating costs will remain the same.

Just like the NHL's latest agreement, the rich teams stand to get richer and the poor teams will continue to tread water.


Revenue sharing will definitely be part of the agreement - I believe the owners have said they have already agreed on a basic revenue sharing concept that will be much more aggressive than the current model.


The problem with revenue sharing, is that there is a real chance the lowest revenue generating teams won't be using those redistributed funds to improve their teams, they'll be using those funds to line their wallets (very much like we've seen in MLB)... and the disparity in roster talent between the haves and the have nots will continue.
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Post#803 » by I_Like_Dirt » Fri Sep 30, 2011 4:07 pm

dhackett1565 wrote:Revenue sharing will definitely be part of the agreement - I believe the owners have said they have already agreed on a basic revenue sharing concept that will be much more aggressive than the current model.


Revenue sharing will definitely not be a part of the agreement. It never is. While it's been clear the owners have been discussing the issue, Stern has made it patently clear several times that revenue sharing would only be considered once the new CBA was ironed out. The real question here is what the NBA had to hide that they couldn't have finalized revenue sharing before the CBA was ironed out. Negotiations would have gone a whole lot smoother if they could have proven that their funds were all divied up evenly and every team was losing money rather than some teams making loads and other teams losing money.

Also, the fact that revenue sharing hasn't been agreed upon and won't be seriously looked at until the CBA is ironed out has given the wealthier owners a chance to try and predict what the landscape will look like and adjust their revenue streams so that a lot of it won't get counted for what is expected any future kind of revenue sharing would look like - like the Celtics new TV deal. And you also have businesses like comcast locking themselves into lnog-term sweetheart tv deals with the Sixers and then selling the team once they got what they wanted limiting the revenue potential of the team going forward, but not hurting comcast's.
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Post#804 » by Laowai » Fri Sep 30, 2011 5:30 pm

I predict the players will drink koolaid the season will be lost and the players ultimately crushed.
The worst possible thing is to have the stars at the meeting Wade thinks he's worth 50 million a year thety are totally out of touch with reality.
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Post#805 » by whoknows » Fri Sep 30, 2011 5:39 pm

I don't think that having the superstars at the meeting is more than a PR plot.
Either they expect to give in and accept - and have the dog & pony show top it up, or they ask for fans sympathy when union will pretend they did everything possible - before they fall into their face.

After all it boils down as a business discussion between billionaires (real business men) and millionaires (business wannabes).... and the spectators/fans (who pay their fat salaries)

I suspect the latter but hope for the best (a full season).
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Post#806 » by Dr Positivity » Fri Sep 30, 2011 7:35 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:Closing in on something for sure. Kobe's finally dipped his toe in the water with the "verbal agreement" in Italy. The simple power play is that owners are wealthier than players. Owners see these teams as hobbies, players see this as a career. The wealthier owners can always find another hobby... I think some of the more powerful players would look forward to a shortened season where they can fast-forward to the playoffs and win a cheapie championship without going through the slog. Stern is starting to turn the heat up on the cancellation of the season, which is why Kobe and LeBron are coming to the table.


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Post#807 » by HSOB SIRHC » Fri Sep 30, 2011 10:19 pm

Passing the 4 hour mark of negotiation.

@KBergCBS Ken Berger
Told labor meeting, past the 4-hour mark now, could go til at least 7 ET. (That's p.m., lol).



@sheridanhoops Chris Sheridan
Your 6 p.m. update from NBA labor talks: They are still talking. Union has set up room for photo op (uh, unity?). More: bit.ly/nUd2dn


I'm not sure what the photo op is all about..
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Re: Official CBA/Labour Talks Discussion Thread 

Post#808 » by DG88 » Fri Sep 30, 2011 10:27 pm

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Person outside talks who has received updates on progress says both sides seem to be cooperating. What's that mean? Hard to say.


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Theo Ratliff, union exec committee member, just left. Said meeting is still going on and looks like there will be a Saturday session...
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Post#809 » by HSOB SIRHC » Fri Sep 30, 2011 10:35 pm

I'm starting to be more optimistic. :pray:


@WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
One participant in labor meeting has told (texted) associates on the outside that there's "been a spirit of cooperation" in the room today.


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From official who's talked w/ people in room: More than one previously hardline owner, including Dan Gilbert, has come wanting to make deal.
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Post#810 » by Dr Positivity » Fri Sep 30, 2011 10:49 pm

Sounds really good. I'll go out on a limb and say by Tuesday or Wednesday next week we'll be at the point the NFL lockout was a few weeks before ending where everyone knew it was on the way and just had to be hammered out

It helps that the final destination seems pretty obvious. 51-49 or 50-50, 4 year contracts, amnesty, increased revenue sharing
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Post#811 » by HSOB SIRHC » Fri Sep 30, 2011 10:58 pm

@WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Fisher: "We did not come out with a deal today...we will be back at 10 am tomorrow."
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Post#812 » by UGA Hayes » Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:00 pm

I'm most curious about the rollbacks. Honestly if the owners weren't asking for rollbacks on existing salary I wouldn't be nearly as pessimistic. Its such an absurd demand IMO shouldn't even be a legal negotiation point. ITs terrible precedent to allow owners to misrepresent how much they will pay a player prior to a labor contract negotiation, by allowing rollbacks as a negotiation tactic.
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Post#813 » by Dr Positivity » Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:02 pm

HSOB SIRHC wrote:
@WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Fisher: "We did not come out with a deal today...we will be back at 10 am tomorrow."


I like the sound of that comment. As if he thought they could've had a deal today but just needed a little more time to hammer it out
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Post#814 » by UGA Hayes » Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:05 pm

Lets see what the commish says as he seems to be the better barometer for where things are at.
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Post#815 » by UGA Hayes » Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:07 pm

Fisher says no new proposals exchanged. WTF?
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Post#816 » by DG88 » Sat Oct 1, 2011 1:07 am

Fisher FFS come on man :noway:
Owners this week relaxed their insistence on the hard cap, instead proposing a system where there would be four levels of the luxury tax, and the more a team spent, the higher that tax. (There is currently a $1 for every $1 over the tax threshold.) But Fisher, without getting into specifics, said that system still wouldn't work for the players.
"I think the idea was if you removed the name 'hard cap,' that that would be good enough in itself. But we still believe the mechanisms ... still in just about every sense would be a hard cap for teams,'' he said. "There would be very few if any teams that would be in a position to spend over that particular number, so that's how we feel about it at this point. It doesn't mean that the negotiation is over, but it's definitely not anywhere close to where we'd be able to agree to it.''

There's also still a lot of teams that don't spend over the luxury tax anyways other than the Lakers that you play for.
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Post#817 » by carlosey » Sat Oct 1, 2011 1:21 am

So you get the biggest beeatches in the league to come into the meeting, you get wade to yell at stern as if that means anything and then you pretend like they are going to storm out of the meeting until Hunter calms them down. They Players have nothing but theatre antics going.

Take your losses guys. As soon as we talk about games cancelled things will get rough for them.
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Post#818 » by KG1585 » Sat Oct 1, 2011 1:52 am

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Sources: After seeing owners' stance themselves, players threatened to walk out of #NBA #lockout talks Friday. bit.ly/nTfbhi


Not looking good...

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According to @Chris_Broussard @dwadeofficial basically told Stern, "Don't point at me bro. I'm serious." NBA CBA meetings getting real!


Did Dwade really call Stern bro? :lol:
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Re: Official CBA/Labour Talks Discussion Thread 

Post#819 » by DG88 » Sat Oct 1, 2011 1:59 am

KG1585 wrote:
KBergCBS Ken Berger
Sources: After seeing owners' stance themselves, players threatened to walk out of #NBA #lockout talks Friday. bit.ly/nTfbhi


Not looking good...

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According to @Chris_Broussard @dwadeofficial basically told Stern, "Don't point at me bro. I'm serious." NBA CBA meetings getting real!


Did Dwade really call Stern bro? :lol:

Apparently he said "Don't point at me, I'm not your child."
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Post#820 » by carlosey » Sat Oct 1, 2011 2:07 am

Wade sounding liek the dont tase me bro guy...

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