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Re: Official Covid-19 Discussion Thread 

Post#801 » by bballsparkin » Wed Jun 3, 2020 5:25 pm

binjumper wrote:Just remember people are allowed to spread misinformation on this board that may cause harm to society. Cause they woke or some other nonsense like not being able to get a beer at a restaurant.


And posters are able to refute any perceived misinformation. If a poster goes too far that's what we have Duffman for. Personally I find this whole trend that we as society need to be protected from the misinformation concerning. Quite Big Brotherish. The idea that information needs to be filtered and vetted through proper channels. Which more and more are places like FB, Youtube, Twitter and other venues owned by billionaires. I personally appreciate someone willing to speak out against popular opinion. And if that information is erroneous let people prove them wrong.

Now obviously there is always a gray area. Like hate speech for example.
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Post#802 » by Childs » Wed Jun 3, 2020 5:32 pm

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M3tro wrote:Herd immunity with or without a vaccine was always the best option


Those are two very different options.


I was simply pointing out the different options based on what side of the fence you're on and how both paths end at herd immunity.

The government knows that herd immunity without a vaccine is the only feasible solution they have, they're just delaying due to public optics as their primary voter base is the most at risk group (seniors). This emergency shutdown isn't sustainable and anybody in agreement with an economic paralysis for over 1/4 of a year better not be complaining when it triggers a multi-year depression.

Herd immunity through a vaccine? Well, that's where it gets a little grey. There are medical professionals themselves that will advise against injecting anything into your body if you don't need it and is why we have natural antibodies. Vaccination through force is how the push back happens.

If we're living in a society based on science then at what point do we respect it and let nature run its course? Life must/will go on and only the fit will survive.
The virus has been as advertised thus far and has mostly attacked an aging population. As I said, 4 of 5 COVID deaths in Canada have been in LTC homes and no amount of lockdown/quarantine/social distancing was gonna help them. They were doomed before it began.


Is this in relation to vaccinations? What medical professionals aren't pushing vaccination. All my colleagues are pushing them.
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Re: Official Covid-19 Discussion Thread 

Post#803 » by Duffman100 » Wed Jun 3, 2020 5:36 pm

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binjumper wrote:Just remember people are allowed to spread misinformation on this board that may cause harm to society. Cause they woke or some other nonsense like not being able to get a beer at a restaurant.


And posters are able to refute any perceived misinformation. If a poster goes too far that's what we have Duffman for. Personally I find this whole trend that we as society need to be protected from the misinformation concerning. Quite Big Brotherish. The idea that information needs to be filtered and vetted through proper channels. Which more and more are places like FB, Youtube, Twitter and other venues owned by billionaires. I personally appreciate someone willing to speak out against popular opinion. And if that information is erroneous let people prove them wrong.

Now obviously there is always a gray area. Like hate speech for example.


Yeah, I mean. I'm no expert and feel uncomfortable doing true fact checking on everything that's written here. I think people should be smart enough to understand that you're reading a forum and to take everything read in a forum with a grain of salt.

If someone is being truly disruptive and intentionally spreading fake links, info, etc. Flag it please.
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Re: Official Covid-19 Discussion Thread 

Post#804 » by dohboy_24 » Wed Jun 3, 2020 5:39 pm

Fairview4Life wrote:News flash: vaccines work. I'm sorry you don't believe that, but it's still true. Thanks for the obnoxious semantic pedantry though.


When did I say vaccines don't work? If you want to get one to protect yourself, go ahead... just don't force one on me or my family.
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Re: Official Covid-19 Discussion Thread 

Post#805 » by fbalmeida » Wed Jun 3, 2020 5:42 pm

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Fairview4Life wrote:News flash: vaccines work. I'm sorry you don't believe that, but it's still true. Thanks for the obnoxious semantic pedantry though.


When did I say vaccines don't work? If you want to get one to protect yourself, go ahead... just don't force one on me or my family.

Vaccines effectiveness derives from universal application.
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Re: Official Covid-19 Discussion Thread 

Post#806 » by Childs » Wed Jun 3, 2020 5:44 pm

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Fairview4Life wrote:News flash: vaccines work. I'm sorry you don't believe that, but it's still true. Thanks for the obnoxious semantic pedantry though.


When did I say vaccines don't work? If you want to get one to protect yourself, go ahead... just don't force one on me or my family.


That’s fine. It’s your right. Just don’t get upset or complain if your family members get encephalitis, ADEM, or orchitis from not getting their proper vaccinations.
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Post#807 » by dohboy_24 » Wed Jun 3, 2020 7:25 pm

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dohboy_24 wrote:
Fairview4Life wrote:News flash: vaccines work. I'm sorry you don't believe that, but it's still true. Thanks for the obnoxious semantic pedantry though.


When did I say vaccines don't work? If you want to get one to protect yourself, go ahead... just don't force one on me or my family.

Vaccines effectiveness derives from universal application.


As too does stupidity and gullibility....

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Post#808 » by dohboy_24 » Wed Jun 3, 2020 7:26 pm

Childs wrote:That’s fine. It’s your right. Just don’t get upset or complain if your family members get encephalitis, ADEM, or orchitis from not getting their proper vaccinations.


Will do.
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Re: Official Covid-19 Discussion Thread 

Post#809 » by fbalmeida » Wed Jun 3, 2020 10:19 pm

dohboy_24 wrote:
fbalmeida wrote:
dohboy_24 wrote:
When did I say vaccines don't work? If you want to get one to protect yourself, go ahead... just don't force one on me or my family.

Vaccines effectiveness derives from universal application.


As too does stupidity and gullibility....

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Nope. Individuals can effectively vaccinate themselves from stupidity and gullibility, through reading, study, observation, and critical thinking, while others remains less informed and credulous.

With vaccines, their effectiveness is essentially predicated on obtaining population immunity. Which means one person's refusal places others at risk. Which is why they are often (and should be) compulsory.
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Post#810 » by mtcan » Wed Jun 3, 2020 10:45 pm

dohboy_24 wrote:
fbalmeida wrote:
dohboy_24 wrote:
When did I say vaccines don't work? If you want to get one to protect yourself, go ahead... just don't force one on me or my family.

Vaccines effectiveness derives from universal application.


As too does stupidity and gullibility....

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Because our parents and grandparents were "stupid and gullible" back in the day...we no longer worry about getting small pox and polio today.

Because some idiots think they are smarter than everyone because they can use Google...we are seeing increasing incidences of measles in places where there were zero cases for decades.

Meanwhile...in third world countries where some of these diseases still exist because of lack of access to vaccines...the people beg and wish for the kind of access we have.

You who I can only assume is relatively free of any major physical and mental deficits can walk around and rant about all your rights because you (I'm guessing) were fully vaccinated and don't have the sequelae that people who battled measles, mumps, polio and other such viruses ended up with...like physical and mental defects, paralysis, inability to perform the simplest tasks like breathing on your own.

Pick up a damn history book or Google what people with these diseases looked like back then and then thank your parents that they were smart enough to vaccinate you.

The pictures of people with small pox, measles, polio can be horrific...perhaps posting some of those pics in this thread will wake some of those "woke" mf's.
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Post#812 » by bballsparkin » Thu Jun 4, 2020 5:36 am

My thing with vaccinations. And believe me I am not informed. Is people bring up tried and true vaccinations. Like Polio or the Measles. But we're talking about a new one. And from my understanding the coronavirus mutates similar to the flu? Some people claim their children develop autism soon after being vaccinated. Any truth to this? I don't know. Hard to argue with a mother who claims that two of her children became autistic afterwards. What about religious freedom to decide? I know some religious beliefs do not want blood transfusions. So I'm thinking not vaccinations as well. Forced vaccination sounds frightening to me. I've read rumours of infertility in some countries such as Kenya after mass vaccinations. Some of you have complete faith in science. And you probably think us doubters are bonkers. But there are a lot of doubters. They may be misinformed; but why so much doubt. Perhaps a distrust in those with authority due to observations and past experience? Why should we trust the ruling elite? The old money and truly elite? Why should we trust pharmaceutical companies when their sole goal is to make profit?

The world is at an interesting time. Technological advances are exploding. Through the internet, communication, both factual and incorrect, has never been more accessible. The world's population is exploding. That has got to be concerning for the truly powerful decision makers.

Some say without vaccinations and major changes many will die so we must. This may be true. Honestly I don't know. But others fear with forced vaccinations and rumours of chips inserted to monitor people how long will we be humans as we know it?

Just throwing out some ish here. We need dialogue and discussion now more than ever.
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Post#813 » by fbalmeida » Thu Jun 4, 2020 10:01 am

Faith in science is an oxymoron. Science asks that you look at the evidence. The idea that vaccines cause autism is utter nonsense.
Mandatory vaccines have nothing to do with trusting "elites". It has to do with proportioning beliefs to evidence and the technical competence of multiple people employed by multiple institutions.

When your airplane takes off do you ask: "Why should I trust the pilot?" If you don't, why not? Consider that, non-rhetorically, and then apply the answer to other aspects of modern life.

The "elites" are synonymous with "powerful people that are out to con me". While such people exist, we should not be so parochial and insensitive to the point of being unable to distinguish competence from ignorance, knowledge from dumbassery, science from nonsense.
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Post#814 » by Fairview4Life » Thu Jun 4, 2020 12:28 pm

bballsparkin wrote:Some people claim their children develop autism soon after being vaccinated. Any truth to this?

No.

bballsparkin wrote:Hard to argue with a mother who claims that two of her children became autistic afterwards.

It's actually very easy to explain why she is wrong.
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Post#815 » by shmoosicle » Thu Jun 4, 2020 2:35 pm

Perhaps a distrust in those with authority due to observations and past experience? Why should we trust the ruling elite? The old money and truly elite? Why should we trust pharmaceutical companies when their sole goal is to make profit?

Do you think "the ruling elite" are not also getting vaccinated? No, everyone is getting vaccinated. It's like people who believe that chem-trails are being used to control the population, it doesn't make any sense.
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Post#816 » by Logicbro » Thu Jun 4, 2020 3:52 pm

Wow Florida is really blowing the recovery, and all sports teams want to play there? They are better off in Canada.

1300+ new cases yesterday and over 1400 today!
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Post#817 » by mtcan » Thu Jun 4, 2020 4:36 pm

bballsparkin wrote:
1)...people bring up tried and true vaccinations. Like Polio or the Measles. But we're talking about a new one.

2) And from my understanding the coronavirus mutates similar to the flu?

3) Some people claim their children develop autism soon after being vaccinated. Any truth to this? I don't know. Hard to argue with a mother who claims that two of her children became autistic afterwards. What about religious freedom to decide?

4) I know some religious beliefs do not want blood transfusions. So I'm thinking not vaccinations as well.

5) Forced vaccination sounds frightening to me. I've read rumours of infertility in some countries such as Kenya after mass vaccinations.

6) The old money and truly elite?

7) Why should we trust pharmaceutical companies when their sole goal is to make profit?


1) Anti vaxxers don't like any vaccines...including the "tried and true". Polio, measles, small pox...incidence of ALL these viruses dropped to the point of eradication in developed countries until this whole anti-vaccine movement...and now we see measles and mumps outbreaks in 1st world countries where outbreaks never occurred for decades.

2) No one knows what SARS cov2 behaves because there isn't enough data and time to establish how it behaves. And anyone who claims to know definitively is lying. We have decades of influenza data and barely 7 months of covid 19...so give it some more time.

3. No truth. No scientific truth. A mother who has 2 children that have autism...unfortunate for her but maybe it was going to happen irregardless of the vaccinations. Could the kids be genetically predisposed to being autistic especially if both children have it? And yet we know of billions of people who didn't end up autistic after vaccines...so there is no real correlation to the vaccines themselves. I get it...parents need to find something to blame and explain why their kid is not like other kids...and can't accept that there isn't really a good explanation. It isnt necessarily their fault their kid is autistic but being able to find a something to pin the blame on brings closure. But a lot of medical phenomena happen with no real cause or explanation...it is just bad luck. Some birth defects, childhood cancers, and even some adult cancers just simply happen. I know that myself because I have seen several relatives, coworkers and relatives of friends in recent years develop an aggressive lung cancer and die within months...and none of them ever smoked a day in their lives. It is what it is some times.

Some people might point to the ever increasing numbers of autism found in kids over the decades as a result of vaccines...and they will have conveniently ignored the fact that autistic people have existed long before the invention of vaccines. The condition has always been around...the difference is that the label of being "autistic" didnt always exist and the criteria for considering someone to be autistic has changed over the decades as to include a larger spectrum of symptoms. People once considered schizophrenic, slow, (Please Use More Appropriate Word), etc may well be considered autistic today. That is a good thing as it allows these children to get access to better management. So autism isn't new and cases aren't necessarily increasing...but the way we classify it...is.

4. Those would be Jehovah's witness who refuse blood products like actualbl blood or components of actual blood. A vaccine isn't a blood product. It is something (a dead or living but not deadly virus or fragment of virus) that is produced not using blood of any sort and done in a lab setting.

5. Forced vaccination is a ridiculous idea. No one is chasing you around town with a syringe. It would be a good idea to get vaccinated because you would rather get immunity by vaccine than roll the covid 19 dice...get the actual virus and hope you don't end up on a ventilator in the ICU or die. And the idea of herd immunity is important as well...because we don't want the virus out there with the possibility of mutating...so the more immune people...the less chance the virus gets to survive.

6. Who the f are they? Is this the Illuminati?

7. Why trust science and pharmaceutical companies? You have a headache...what do you do...pop a Tylenol or Advil. You get pneumonia and show up at the doctor's office because you can't breathe then get an antibiotic and puffers...then you get better. You gave a heart attack and get to a hospital...and they start giving you all sorts of drugs and start doing procedures on you...and you survive. You get cancer...start chemo and go into remission and you survive. Guess who you have to thank for that? Science and the pharmaceutical companies! They aren't all benevolent and doing it for charity but they aren't all bad and evil. I hope your distrust for science doesn't lead you to show up at a naturopath or alternative practitioner if you have chest pain because...personal story...it happened to a close family friend when she was visiting and staying at my parents' house. Complained of chest pain while out with other friends just after lunch...and they all went to an alternative medicine practitioner who "diagnosed" her with indigestion and sent her with some BS garbage treatments. She got back to my parents' house and went to take a nap. SHE NEVER WOKE UP. It was a massive heart attack...and she would be alive today if they only took her to a hospital. She was 65 and otherwise healthy. My parents are still traumatized by the whole situation...2 years after the ordeal.
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Post#818 » by Lord_Zedd » Thu Jun 4, 2020 5:01 pm

Logicbro wrote:Wow Florida is really blowing the recovery, and all sports teams want to play there? They are better off in Canada.

1300+ new cases yesterday and over 1400 today!


Good thing movie theaters and bars are opening up for them tomorrow.....

The NBA players should be fine though. Being within Disney World should seclude them from the **** show in Florida
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Post#819 » by omar36 » Thu Jun 4, 2020 7:33 pm

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6. Who the f are they? Is this the Illuminati?



no, stop being foolish, the illumanti dont exist. the world is run by bill "creatign vaccine to implment 5g chips" Gates and george "the republican boogeyman" Soros.
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Post#820 » by dohboy_24 » Thu Jun 4, 2020 8:15 pm

fbalmeida wrote:With vaccines, their effectiveness is essentially predicated on obtaining population immunity. Which means one person's refusal places others at risk. Which is why they are often (and should be) compulsory.


One person's refusal to comply places others at risk in many situations we all encounter on a daily basis without issue.

During this pandemic I was in a line of people who were maintaining social distancing, but one of them was smoking - putting myself and others in the line at risk of his second hand smoke.

He wasn't within 10 metres of the door so he was in compliance with smoking regulations and by-laws, but should "no smoking within 6 feet of someone else" be compulsory for the same or similar reasons we should be maintaining such distances for this virus?

What about the person who decides to drink and drive who puts themselves and others on the road at risk by their failure to comply?

Should all vehicles be equipped with a breathalyzer and all motor vehicle operators regardless of their sobriety be required to pass a breathalyzer test before the ignition key can be turned and the vehicle started?
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