2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread

[FluLikeSymptoms]

That would break Bill Simmons’s brain, on his pod he wanted to trade Pascal for trash. That dude is embarrassing himself with his Pascal takes. Think Raps fans are in his head.

[Zeno]

That would break Bill Simmons’s brain, on his pod he wanted to trade Pascal for trash. That dude is embarrassing himself with his Pascal takes. Think Raps fans are in his head.

Yeah, that was one of the worst trade packages ever proposed. Like Maxi Kleber, Tim Hardaway and a single first rounder. It was crazy bad.

[DreamTeam09]

Dragic for kemba Kevin Knox and a 2nd / rumor some site drummed up online, I shouldn't say rumor. Proposal would be a better word to use

[FluLikeSymptoms]

That would break Bill Simmons’s brain, on his pod he wanted to trade Pascal for trash. That dude is embarrassing himself with his Pascal takes. Think Raps fans are in his head.

Yeah, that was one of the worst trade packages ever proposed. Like Maxi Kleber, Tim Hardaway and a single first rounder. It was crazy bad.

The way Simmons talks about Pascal makes me think he hasn’t seen him since the Boston series.

[billy_hoyle]

Toronto out:
OG
Goran
Flynn
Boucher

Orlando:
Mo Bamba
J Isaac
M Fultz

Curious as to who you feel is the valuable piece on Orlando that justifies OG's inclusion?;

Fultz given his contract and the recovery from an MCL is concerning and while Isaac is a nice piece the fact that he hasn't played in a while and the last major update on his knee was months ago that is at least a little concerning to me.

Bamba is fine but I expect he is going to end up with a putrid contract this summer on the back of his 10/9 in around 30MPG which I am not entirely opposed to but having to take on the above two deals and lose OG makes this one tough for me.

I think OG is the only true value going to Orlando. Flynn and Boucher have somewhat positive value, but all three Orlando guys have quality rotation player upside.

I think Isaac is a decent bet to provide what elite attributes OG gives you, but with less redundancy (taller, longer). Elite D, switchabilty, 3point spacing, but not near as good as OG at self creation. I think he fits as a small ball rim protector next to Barnes and Siakam better than OG. A Precious, Siakam, Barnes, Isaac, Birch, Bamba frontline is deep, talented with a high floor and nice ceiling.

Bamba is obvious. Will he be over payed? Maybe. It's definitely a concern.

Fultz I like as a 6th man creator. His in between game shows alot of promise. He's paid decently tho.

These guys play off Barnes as the focal point, with Siakam and FVV also providing high end secondary scoring options.

I originally had Suggs in place of Fultz, but didn't think Orlando would make that trade. Maybe they would with the inclusion of our 1st this year.

Just some musings on ways to diversify our 3/4 strength (OG, Barnes and Siakam have alot of overlap IMO).

[Morris_Shatford]

That would break Bill Simmons’s brain, on his pod he wanted to trade Pascal for trash. That dude is embarrassing himself with his Pascal takes. Think Raps fans are in his head.

Simmons is a Celts fan and an NBA hobbyist at best at this point in his career;
Its not just Siakam the value he vaults upon other non-Celtics is pretty rough.

[tecumseh18]

I had a weird dream last night. The NBA teams were rock bands. Pascal was the bass player for the Raptors. The producer for the Boston Celtics (who were Aerosmith in the dream - I must have remembered that Aerosmith were originally from Boston) wanted to bring in Pascal for a particular song they were recording because the regular Celtics/Aerosmith bassist couldn't do slapping style and Pascal could.

That was pretty much it. Is it premonition that the Cs want to trade one of the Js for Pascal? We'll see.

Boston media, especially Simmons crap on Pascal constantly because he struggled in the bubble. The shambles would be crazy over on the Boston board if they traded one of the Js for him. And as much as I would want to jump at a Pascal for Brown trade which would be amazing, I don’t want to send Pascal to the Celtics. I’d feel bad sending him to that market, things could go horribly for him there. I’d like for him to end up in a nice loving stable environment. Lol.

I agree, the relationship between Pascal and the Boston media (and Boston fans on Twitter) is toxic. The fact that he was 2nd team All-NBA has been lost to the mists of time. Stevens would really be putting his job on the line making such a trade.

Unless Masai REALLY likes Timelord (who is BYC so essentially untradeable this season), I can't see a trade with the Cs without Tatum or Brown is coming back to the Raptors, and that would only happen if the Celtics totally bottomed out. But this is such a crazy season, it's hard to believe that such momentous decisions would be made based on such things. The obviously close relationship between Tatum and OG makes JT an intriguing target. I've also read somewhere that the relationship between JB and Brad Stevens wasn't great when he was a coach.

Just a stupid dream. But ... weirdly specific.

[Spida888]

If Celtics are crazy enough to trade one of the Js for Pascal, I'll drive Pascal to the airport myself lol.

Didn't know that Tatum and OG knew each other. What if we flip this around, would you guys do OG + filler + protected FRP for Brown?

[FTW]

Guys guys guys…….we need poeltl.

BRING BACK THE YAK

[tecumseh18]

That would break Bill Simmons’s brain, on his pod he wanted to trade Pascal for trash. That dude is embarrassing himself with his Pascal takes. Think Raps fans are in his head.

Simmons is a Celts fan and an NBA hobbyist at best at this point in his career;
Its not just Siakam the value he vaults upon other non-Celtics is pretty rough.

Hah, Simmons hasn't changed one iota in his entire career. Starting out in the 90s, he has consistently been a less informed version of William Lou incarnated as a Celtic fanboy.

But ... he (accidentally?) makes a good point. Raps may be well advised to trade Siakam for a bench. A Rudy Gay-type trade, but with guys better than P-Patt, Chuckwagon, Fishboy and GV coming back (although tbf, GV was turned into OG and Norm). At some point in the near future, we're gonna have to pay Fred, OG and Gary lots and lots of money. Then Scottie after that.

[Morris_Shatford]

But ... he (accidentally?) makes a good point. Raps may be well advised to trade Siakam for a bench. A Rudy Gay-type trade, but with guys better than P-Patt, Chuckwagon, Fishboy and GV coming back (although tbf, GV was turned into OG and Norm). At some point in the near future, we're gonna have to pay Fred, OG and Gary lots and lots of money. Then Scottie after that.

I generally agree with that;
The roster is likely going to require some balancing if the long term goal is to build around your 23 and under crew.

[Rodrickle]

Whos the oddd man out in Washington when Thomas Bryant comes back?

Would love to get Gafford on this team. I think he's underrated

Thomas Bryant gives me the Andrew Bynum vibes and not in a good way id pass on that.

There's a big difference regarding athletics between a partially torn ACL, and a partially dislocated kneecap which can cause all kinds of tracking issues and imbalances. That injury destroyed Bynum's career.

Personality is a big factor too. Bynum was hyped as "Baby Shaq", a high school lottery pick. Bryant on the other hand was a 2nd rounder.

Then add in development, as improved as he became over who he was on the Lakers, TB has been on a Washington team that doesn't prioritize defense - if he can use his tools effectively on that end, that's a hell of a player.

At 24, I don't think the jury is out on Thomas Bryant, and feel like he would reach another level here. If the Raptors can buy low on him on account of his injury and expiring status, I'd love to see it.

IMO they plan to keep both Gafford and Bryant. Gafford's extension is reasonable and Bryant's injury may give a chance at resigning Bryant at a decent price.

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[Raptors_128]

If Celtics are crazy enough to trade one of the Js for Pascal, I'll drive Pascal to the airport myself lol.

Didn't know that Tatum and OG knew each other. What if we flip this around, would you guys do OG + filler + protected FRP for Brown?

OG is on a killer contract and we need more players like him.

What about FVV + GTJ for Brown + filler? Is that too much?

[Spida888]

If Celtics are crazy enough to trade one of the Js for Pascal, I'll drive Pascal to the airport myself lol.

Didn't know that Tatum and OG knew each other. What if we flip this around, would you guys do OG + filler + protected FRP for Brown?

OG is on a killer contract and we need more players like him.

What about FVV + GTJ for Brown + filler? Is that too much?

I’d prefer to keep OG as well but Brown is on a good contract and will be the best player until Barnes further develops.

If players other than OG and Barnes gets it done then I’m all for that. Just trying to think from Celtics perspective who they would want.

FVV and GTJ will both likely be expirings next year and opt out of their last year to get a pay raise. Might be good to sell high on FVV if possible. His next contract might be too rich for my blood.

[Madhouse]

If Celtics are crazy enough to trade one of the Js for Pascal, I'll drive Pascal to the airport myself lol.

Didn't know that Tatum and OG knew each other. What if we flip this around, would you guys do OG + filler + protected FRP for Brown?

I would trade Siakam for either one. I wouldn't give up OG and then some for Brown. While he is a good player, I think he gets overrated by his pure stats just like Booker is just barely a net positive. Brown is probably slightly better but also slightly older and on a worse contract.

Tatum is a different story. He is a legit star.

[Madhouse]

That would break Bill Simmons’s brain, on his pod he wanted to trade Pascal for trash. That dude is embarrassing himself with his Pascal takes. Think Raps fans are in his head.

Simmons is a Celts fan and an NBA hobbyist at best at this point in his career;
Its not just Siakam the value he vaults upon other non-Celtics is pretty rough.

Hah, Simmons hasn't changed one iota in his entire career. Starting out in the 90s, he has consistently been a less informed version of William Lou incarnated as a Celtic fanboy.

But ... he (accidentally?) makes a good point. Raps may be well advised to trade Siakam for a bench. A Rudy Gay-type trade, but with guys better than P-Patt, Chuckwagon, Fishboy and GV coming back (although tbf, GV was turned into OG and Norm). At some point in the near future, we're gonna have to pay Fred, OG and Gary lots and lots of money. Then Scottie after that.

4 quality rotational players would be a dream. Because right now we have like 2 at best.

As for paying those guys, not sure there is an alternative. So we better get a bench in place before that.

[Raptors_128]

If Celtics are crazy enough to trade one of the Js for Pascal, I'll drive Pascal to the airport myself lol.

Didn't know that Tatum and OG knew each other. What if we flip this around, would you guys do OG + filler + protected FRP for Brown?

OG is on a killer contract and we need more players like him.

What about FVV + GTJ for Brown + filler? Is that too much?

I’d prefer to keep OG as well but Brown is on a good contract and will be the best player until Barnes further develops.

If players other than OG and Barnes gets it done then I’m all for that. Just trying to think from Celtics perspective who they would want.

FVV and GTJ will both likely be expirings next year and opt out of their last year to get a pay raise. Might be good to sell high on FVV if possible. His next contract might be too rich for my blood.

I don’t know how they view FVV but they have been looking for a PG/playmaking and there is too much overlap with Brown and Tatum offensively.

Yeah that’s a good point. After this season both FVV and GTJ are on 1+1 deals, both could opt-out.

Raptors also have to think about losing Brown in 2 years after this season or commit to paying him like $40 million per year (might not be our choice if he walks).

[alan_156]

You can't trade GTJ.... He's exactly what the starting lineup needs. You trade him ans you're going to need consistent perimeter shooting.

[Ell Curry]

The T-wolves pick 41st and 42nd and we don't have a 2nd rounder. I could see something like this:

Wolves - Boucher
Raptors - Okogie, Layman, 2022 2nd rounder

Similar to last year's TD and Matt Thomas deals. Wolves get full bird rights on Boucher and he makes sense as a fit with Towns in theory.

[Madhouse]

You can't trade GTJ.... He's exactly what the starting lineup needs. You trade him ans you're going to need consistent perimeter shooting.

GTJ isn't going anywhere for a long time.