Official Scottie Barnes Thread

[DelAbbot]

Is it the craziest thing to think that maybe Nurse and co are drawing up and running plays for Scottie on purpose?

Taking into account Nurse is as vocally supportive of Scottie taking shots and being involved in the offense as any raps coach has ever been with a rook, Masai has explicitly called this a development year and Scottie is a instant lockerroom favorite and its realistically not a situation where egos will bristle at a rookie getting plays run for him

In light of all that, could the plan here just to be to make the no.1 priority developing Scottie's ability to create his own shot, as well as push him to find his own looks/assert himself? Ie; we could run pnr trying to feed Scottie a couple easy roll buckets a game, but the real vision for his future is as the guy you clear out a halfcourt iso - and while he's not necessarily gonna get isos called anytime soon, our primary development focus is building the foundation for that through the type of 1 v 1 takes against a mismatch that comprise a good chunk of his scoring right now

I doubt it as Nurse wants to win games and it doesn't explain why they aren't feeding him in the post when he has Garland or Bruce Brown on him.

It will help him in the long run certainly that he is scoring the majority of his points unassisted but I doubt there is a strategy behind it.

Lmao why would you doubt that? Scottie is the most important person in the franchise right now and I'm certain management and the coaching staff knows this. They 100% have a long term plan in mind (they are elite at development) and 1 game won't mean much at the end.

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The strategy is unintentional - because FVV isn't going to set Barnes up. Freddie's got to eat!!

[Tha Cynic]

If you think Scottie doesn't get enough plays run through him you should watch the Cavs with Evan Mobley. Nearly every basket he had last night was a result of others setting him up for open dunks, wide open shots.

Scottie is far more involved in the offense than Mobley is with the Cavs.

Tough to achieve with that SexLand backcourt chucking.

The Raptors kind of have a similar chucking backcourt.

[Tha Cynic]

These comments about Barnes needing to be more aggressive on offense doesn't make sense.

First of all, he's not getting any chances from his PG who's constantly looking him off, so most of Barnes' points have been when he grabs the ball and goes down to score or on putbacks. Do we really want Barnes to become even more isolation happy like FVV, GTJ and Svi? I think that's just compounding an issue that already exists with this team. The last thing this team needs is another chucker.

The issue right now is that this team doesn't have much of a cohesive offense and a guy like Barnes who isn't selfish gets lost in it. Barnes will play even better once the Raptors veterans start playing like actual veterans instead of looking like they're just trying to get their own stats padded. When we see 2 to 3 passes leading to basket is when this team is truly operating how it should be scoring.

[Madhouse]

Is it the craziest thing to think that maybe Nurse and co are drawing up and running plays for Scottie on purpose?

Taking into account Nurse is as vocally supportive of Scottie taking shots and being involved in the offense as any raps coach has ever been with a rook, Masai has explicitly called this a development year and Scottie is a instant lockerroom favorite and its realistically not a situation where egos will bristle at a rookie getting plays run for him

In light of all that, could the plan here just to be to make the no.1 priority developing Scottie's ability to create his own shot, as well as push him to find his own looks/assert himself? Ie; we could run pnr trying to feed Scottie a couple easy roll buckets a game, but the real vision for his future is as the guy you clear out a halfcourt iso - and while he's not necessarily gonna get isos called anytime soon, our primary development focus is building the foundation for that through the type of 1 v 1 takes against a mismatch that comprise a good chunk of his scoring right now

I doubt it as Nurse wants to win games and it doesn't explain why they aren't feeding him in the post when he has Garland or Bruce Brown on him.

It will help him in the long run certainly that he is scoring the majority of his points unassisted but I doubt there is a strategy behind it.

Lmao why would you doubt that? Scottie is the most important person in the franchise right now and I'm certain management and the coaching staff knows this. They 100% have a long term plan in mind (they are elite at development) and 1 game won't mean much at the end.

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because you are not making it more difficult on a young player than you should when your objective is to win games.

[brownbobcat]

Barnes is already playing close to 35 minutes a game and taking 14 shots. That's a lot for a rookie, especially one that was described as a project coming into the season.

His role as a #1 or 2 guy is coming but it won't be this season for obvious reasons.

30+ mins at the NBA level with as much physicality as Barnes brings is a big job, and yet some people are unhappy if he isn't also guarding the other team's best scorer while hoisting up 25+ shots.

Even if his numbers "drop" to 14/7/2 with Siakam back, I'd still be ecstatic.

[Madhouse]

Barnes is already playing close to 35 minutes a game and taking 14 shots. That's a lot for a rookie, especially one that was described as a project coming into the season.

His role as a #1 or 2 guy is coming but it won't be this season for obvious reasons.

30+ mins at the NBA level with as much physicality as Barnes brings is a big job, and yet some people are unhappy if he isn't also guarding the other team's best scorer while hoisting up 25+ shots.

nobody will complain if he consistently gets 12-15 shots per game and actually gets set up by team mates.

[OakleyDokely]

Barnes is already playing close to 35 minutes a game and taking 14 shots. That's a lot for a rookie, especially one that was described as a project coming into the season.

His role as a #1 or 2 guy is coming but it won't be this season for obvious reasons.

30+ mins at the NBA level with as much physicality as Barnes brings is a big job, and yet some people are unhappy if he isn't also guarding the other team's best scorer while hoisting up 25+ shots.

The great thing about Scottie is that even if his shot is off, or he isn't taking many shots, he still racks up a lot of rebounds, assists, steals, blocks while defending his ass off. That's great to see from a young player, especially from a top pick.

His shot making isn't the only thing he needs to improve. He needs to improve his handle. He needs to improve his playmaking in the half court. He needs to improve his off ball defense. All this won't happen in one year. We just need to be patient. He's only 20 years old. It's going to take years before you get the 100th percentile of Scottie.

[will]

If you think Scottie doesn't get enough plays run through him you should watch the Cavs with Evan Mobley. Nearly every basket he had last night was a result of others setting him up for open dunks, wide open shots.

Scottie is far more involved in the offense than Mobley is with the Cavs.

Tough to achieve with that SexLand backcourt chucking.

The Raptors kind of have a similar chucking backcourt.

With defense.

[brownbobcat]

The great thing about Scottie is that even if his shot is off, or he isn't taking many shots, he still racks up a lot of rebounds, assists, steals, blocks while defending his ass off. That's great to see from a young player, especially from a top pick.

His shot making isn't the only thing he needs to improve. He needs to improve his handle. He needs to improve his playmaking in the half court. He needs to improve his off ball defense. All this won't happen in one year. We just need to be patient. He's only 20 years old. It's going to take years before you get the 100th percentile of Scottie.

What's super exciting is that with the IQ and body already there, his game is going to suddenly explode when he's skilled enough to exploit the openings he already sees in his head. The trajectory is already going to be ridiculous without having to force-feed shots and possibly create locker room issues - and like it or not, egos are real.

[GooniesNeverDie]

Barnes is already playing close to 35 minutes a game and taking 14 shots. That's a lot for a rookie, especially one that was described as a project coming into the season.

His role as a #1 or 2 guy is coming but it won't be this season for obvious reasons.

30+ mins at the NBA level with as much physicality as Barnes brings is a big job, and yet some people are unhappy if he isn't also guarding the other team's best scorer while hoisting up 25+ shots.

nobody will complain if he consistently gets 12-15 shots per game and actually gets set up by team mates.

He's averaging 14 FGA.

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[LBJKB24MJ23]

30+ mins at the NBA level with as much physicality as Barnes brings is a big job, and yet some people are unhappy if he isn't also guarding the other team's best scorer while hoisting up 25+ shots.

nobody will complain if he consistently gets 12-15 shots per game and actually gets set up by team mates.

He's averaging 14 FGA.

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and people are complaining

[Young_Buc]

nobody will complain if he consistently gets 12-15 shots per game and actually gets set up by team mates.

He's averaging 14 FGA.

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and people are complaining

How many of Scotties shots are putbacks or tips? (serious question because it seems like there are a lot) I think the OP wanted scottie to be hit on rolls the way precious and boucher are frequently.

[Madhouse]

30+ mins at the NBA level with as much physicality as Barnes brings is a big job, and yet some people are unhappy if he isn't also guarding the other team's best scorer while hoisting up 25+ shots.

nobody will complain if he consistently gets 12-15 shots per game and actually gets set up by team mates.

He's averaging 14 FGA.

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and took 5 shots until garbage time with Siakam back. Not going to draw conclusions from 1 game but it will be interesting how it unfolds.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

He's averaging 14 FGA.

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and people are complaining

How many of Scotties shots are putbacks or tips? (serious question because it seems like there are a lot) I think the OP wanted scottie to be hit on rolls the way precious and boucher are frequently.

its a delicate balance Nurse needs to figure out this entire season. I mean hypothetically the lineup we saw to start the game was decent but its obvious that there are WAY too many mouths to feed. OG, Siakam, FVV, GTJ, Barnes all need touches/ shots. I think something has to give and that is moving Barnes to the bench. it may not be the most likeable thing here but if you really want Barnes to get his and more touches, you move him to the bench. just don't play him with FVV. bring in Banton, Barnes, and Precious to replace FVV, Siakam/OG, Birch. then as the third wave comes in OG will replace Siakam or vice versa, FVV replaces GTJ.

hypothetical depending on Barnes' performance against 2nd unit guys and some 1st unit guys by end of 2nd quarter, foul trouble, fatigue, etc/

1st ...............1st/2nd ............. 2nd, staggered re-entry into the game etc
FVV................ Banton ............. FVV
GTJ..................Svi ....................GTJ
OG.........-->...Barnes.....-->....Barnes (Barnes replaced by big man if needed)
Siakam ...........Boucher.............Siakam
Birch...............Precious.............OG

this is to at least START the game to eventually get him more touches with the second unit as a whole, staggered with starters etc.

[Madhouse]

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[canada_dry]

I posted this on the most recent scottie thread created, felt likenit belongs in here too:

I said this when he was first drafted, and though he's obviously better more quickly than anyone could have anticipated, its still a good comparison in regards to likelihood. Maybe not his peak potential, but his most likely outcome imo is

Either a bigger and stronger scottie pippen (higher end) or a bigger stronger andre iguodala (lower end, less scoring than pippen comp).

Still a very very very good player, superstar potential, multiple time all star, franchise player type guy. #1 offensive option on a title team? Maybe. Might be better off being a #2 scoring option but really running the show as a point forward, still best player on team, but not #1 scorer.

Peak potential: lebron/ giannis/kawhi depending on what the team focuses on developing, could be either of the 3. Hes that good.

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[Raps in 4]

If you think Scottie doesn't get enough plays run through him you should watch the Cavs with Evan Mobley. Nearly every basket he had last night was a result of others setting him up for open dunks, wide open shots.

Scottie is far more involved in the offense than Mobley is with the Cavs.

Tough to achieve with that SexLand backcourt chucking.

The Raptors kind of have a similar chucking backcourt.

Our backcourt chucks noticeably more.

Assist rates:
FVV: 28%
GTJ: 7%

Garland: 35%
Sexton:12%

[HumbleRen]

Tough to achieve with that SexLand backcourt chucking.

The Raptors kind of have a similar chucking backcourt.

With defense.

I'll still rather have Darius Garland over any backcourt player on our team.

[Madhouse]

The Raptors kind of have a similar chucking backcourt.

With defense.

I'll still rather have Darius Garland over any backcourt player on our team.

especially with his potential.

[Los_29]

The Raptors kind of have a similar chucking backcourt.

With defense.

I'll still rather have Darius Garland over any backcourt player on our team.

If you're betting on Garland becoming a better player than FVV then sure. But as of right now FVV is the better player and it's not particularly close.