Trade Pascal to Portland/Warriors?

[metafisical]

Even if we tanked, this roster wasn't bad enough to be bottom 5... You think we were going to out-tank the likes of Pistons, Spurs, Rockets, Hornets, Blazers, etc?

We had a worse record than the Blazers at the trade deadline. At some point in the season...we had the 5th/6th worst record and this was the team supposedly trying its hardest to win. I'm not advocating selling our guys off for $0.50 on the $1.00...but there might well be a good chance Fred leaves for nothing. At that point...would it have been better to sell him off for second round picks? 6th worst is obviously not worst worst record but the lottery odds are obviously better than where we ended up and when the ping pong balls are rolling...who knows right?

Go back and look at who the blazers sat down in the half due to injury and then come back and show us 9 more losses we could have had. Because you aren't being very realistic.

Siakim, OG and FVV could have all been out with contusions, personal reasons, bodily moisture imbalance, or any other number of reasons. We could have had 15 more losses if Masai and Nurse had the gumption to try to get Wemby.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

We had a worse record than the Blazers at the trade deadline. At some point in the season...we had the 5th/6th worst record and this was the team supposedly trying its hardest to win. I'm not advocating selling our guys off for $0.50 on the $1.00...but there might well be a good chance Fred leaves for nothing. At that point...would it have been better to sell him off for second round picks? 6th worst is obviously not worst worst record but the lottery odds are obviously better than where we ended up and when the ping pong balls are rolling...who knows right?

Go back and look at who the blazers sat down in the half due to injury and then come back and show us 9 more losses we could have had. Because you aren't being very realistic.

Siakim, OG and FVV could have all been out with contusions, personal reasons, bodily moisture imbalance, or any other number of reasons. We could have had 15 more losses if Masai and Nurse had the gumption to try to get Wemby.

"Hey guys, forget your free agency and your careers or any all-nba talk." That talk was never was going to happen.

We missed by 20+ games, it wasn't "close" at all.

[ArthurVandelay]

there are 30 nba franchises, and only one of them is talking up this pascal(or OG) for #3/scoot nonsense. The other 29, especially including portland, aren't interested or talking about such a thing.

Portland may trade the 3(even if its after the draft), but whether or not they trade it likely depends on if an actual difference making star comes up on the market. I don't see them trading it for guys who really don't move the needle that much. And honestly that's how people view OG and even siakem. Very nice players but not needle movers. Because if they were.....well, what was you guys record again?

You know Siakam already won a championship playing Robin to Batman (Kawhi)? He's an even better player now than he was 4 years ago. Your opinion, quite frankly, is ignorant.

You put Siakam back as the second option to a guy like Lillard or Curry and that is a major needle mover. One would be a fool to think otherwise.

But what is this needle you're moving? Is it to win a championship? Is it to make conference finals? Is it to have home court in first round? Is it to make the playoffs? Every team is at different stage and then you have to factor in injuries.

Siakam absolutely makes a team like the Warriors a championship contender again. Siakam absolutely puts Portland in the conversation for first round home court advantage after going on an ultimate tank to end the year, but then I don't think anyone in the Portland FO thinks any 1 move makes them a contender.

The record this year was .500. It was 41-41, something Brooklyn won't see for a long time.

[ArthurVandelay]

Ah forget it, scoot gonna get drafted #2. Dream is dead

None of this Miller talk is legit. My guess is Detroit doing all they can to see him slide to 5.

[OakleyDokely]

there are 30 nba franchises, and only one of them is talking up this pascal(or OG) for #3/scoot nonsense. The other 29, especially including portland, aren't interested or talking about such a thing.

Portland may trade the 3(even if its after the draft), but whether or not they trade it likely depends on if an actual difference making star comes up on the market. I don't see them trading it for guys who really don't move the needle that much. And honestly that's how people view OG and even siakem. Very nice players but not needle movers. Because if they were.....well, what was you guys record again?

You know Siakam already won a championship playing Robin to Batman (Kawhi)? He's an even better player now than he was 4 years ago. Your opinion, quite frankly, is ignorant.

You put Siakam back as the second option to a guy like Lillard or Curry and that is a major needle mover. One would be a fool to think otherwise.

But what is this needle you're moving? Is it to win a championship? Is it to make conference finals? Is it to have home court in first round? Is it to make the playoffs? Every team is at different stage and then you have to factor in injuries.

Siakam absolutely makes a team like the Warriors a championship contender again. Siakam absolutely puts Portland in the conversation for first round home court advantage after going on an ultimate tank to end the year, but then I don't think anyone in the Portland FO thinks any 1 move makes them a contender.

The record this year was .500. It was 41-41, something Brooklyn won't see for a long time.

What does "actual difference making star" even mean?

Short of adding Giannis or Luka who exactly can they add that would make then instantly a championship contender?

It's such a nonsensical argument. Nobody is giving them a top 10-15 player for the pick, so their options will be players in the 20-40 range if they want to move it.

[TorontoBarneys]

Sharpe is a gem and the #3 pick is highly valued there's no doubt, but neither of these assets are likely to turn out as good as Lillard is now, let alone how good he was in his prime years. Both of these assets should be more valuable to a team like the Raptors than they are to the Trailblazers.

Portland already has the piece that is the most difficult to obtain: the #1 option. They have an opportunity to get a golden #2 to play alongside him, that is quite a ways better than the likes of Jerami Grant. It shouldn't matter whether acquiring Pascal vaults them into a contender or not, what matters is that they'd have secured the two most difficult assets to obtain while getting significantly better. That's a building process that is highly enviable for most teams. They'd be fools to take this opportunity for granted.

Siakam is wasting away on this team while we pray Barnes miraculously turns into a #1 option.

[Johnny Bball]

We had a worse record than the Blazers at the trade deadline. At some point in the season...we had the 5th/6th worst record and this was the team supposedly trying its hardest to win. I'm not advocating selling our guys off for $0.50 on the $1.00...but there might well be a good chance Fred leaves for nothing. At that point...would it have been better to sell him off for second round picks? 6th worst is obviously not worst worst record but the lottery odds are obviously better than where we ended up and when the ping pong balls are rolling...who knows right?

Go back and look at who the blazers sat down in the half due to injury and then come back and show us 9 more losses we could have had. Because you aren't being very realistic.

Siakim, OG and FVV could have all been out with contusions, personal reasons, bodily moisture imbalance, or any other number of reasons. We could have had 15 more losses if Masai and Nurse had the gumption to try to get Wemby.

We didn't even have 15 wins after the break/trade deadline, but sure. Twist it up into something it can't be and would never happen. And no, they can't make healthy players sit, espeically those that are becoming free agents.

[ArthurVandelay]

Sharpe is a gem and the #3 pick is highly valued there's no doubt, but neither of these assets are likely to turn out as good as Lillard is now, let alone how good he was in his prime years. Both of these assets should be more valuable to a team like the Raptors than they are to the Trailblazers.

Portland already has the piece that is the most difficult to obtain: the #1 option. They have an opportunity to get a golden #2 to play alongside him, that is quite a ways better than the likes of Jerami Grant. It shouldn't matter whether acquiring Pascal vaults them into a contender or not, what matters is that they'd have secured the two most difficult assets to obtain while getting significantly better. That's a building process that is highly enviable for most teams. They'd be fools to take this opportunity for granted.

Siakam is wasting away on this team while we pray Barnes miraculously turns into a #1 option.

Sharpe's trade value will never be higher than it currently is imo. He had a very small sample size of big numbers but if you watch the every possession highlights, he took a lot of really bad shots. Don't get me wrong, I don't mean to disparage him, I'd love to see him on the Raptors, but he isn't "a needle mover" - lol - for a few seasons, if at all. Him putting up big numbers doesn't lead to wins, Portland's tank established that, he wasn't getting minutes when they were trying to win games, and he didn't even make the all-rookie teams.

Again, not trying to trash Sharpe, but he is still carrying a large potential tag. And to be clear, I absolutely would trade Siakam for Sharpe and #3.

[mtcan]

Go back and look at who the blazers sat down in the half due to injury and then come back and show us 9 more losses we could have had. Because you aren't being very realistic.

Siakim, OG and FVV could have all been out with contusions, personal reasons, bodily moisture imbalance, or any other number of reasons. We could have had 15 more losses if Masai and Nurse had the gumption to try to get Wemby.

We didn't even have 15 wins after the break/trade deadline, but sure. Twist it up into something it can't be and would never happen. And no, they can't make healthy players sit, espeically those that are becoming free agents.

They did in Tampa Bay.

[Johnny Bball]

Ah forget it, scoot gonna get drafted #2. Dream is dead

None of this Miller talk is legit. My guess is Detroit doing all they can to see him slide to 5.

He was horrible in the tournament against better competition. That makes me give pause because I never did get to see the player everyone else somehow does. If his workouts are the same, he probably does slide to 5.

[Johnny Bball]

Siakim, OG and FVV could have all been out with contusions, personal reasons, bodily moisture imbalance, or any other number of reasons. We could have had 15 more losses if Masai and Nurse had the gumption to try to get Wemby.

We didn't even have 15 wins after the break/trade deadline, but sure. Twist it up into something it can't be and would never happen. And no, they can't make healthy players sit, espeically those that are becoming free agents.

They did in Tampa Bay.

The forced Lowry to sit, or Lowry just decided at his age he had proven enough? If Lowry wanted to play he would play. Were FVV and GTJ so good early in the year they could sit? Has OG sat a ton already in previous years when hurt? Was Siakam trying to be all-nba to be paid more? Nah man.

they had 13 wins. You have to find 9 more losses out of those against what were worse tanking teams for some of it. This is pure fantasy.

[ArthurVandelay]

Ah forget it, scoot gonna get drafted #2. Dream is dead

None of this Miller talk is legit. My guess is Detroit doing all they can to see him slide to 5.

He was horrible in the tournament against better competition. That makes me give pause because I never did get to see the player everyone else somehow does. If his workouts are the same, he probably does slide to 5.

He was horrible. Putrid in fact. But also injured.

[Dude-niagara]

Siakam is being so slept on. He'd be so awesome with Lillard, that it makes me kinda want to get Lillard now.

Not really, he is a overhyped choke machine

....who hit the game winning shot over Draymond to win the title.

Basically the hole Warriors team was focused on stopping Leonard on that play , and if it were not for Leonard we don't even get past Philly , you know the series where Siakam did nothing after game one or the Bucks where Siakam choked at the line in OT in game 3 and was average that whole series. Siakam was not even the clear #2 option during our title run, it was Leonard and then a different guy every night stepping up as the #2 option. Outside of the series against the Magic there was no clear #2 option, one night is was Siakam another night Fred another night Lowry another night Serge

Then you need to look at what has the team done since Leonard left town? nothing because Siakam has no business in a top option role and his stats are just empty stats. Good player but not taking your team anywhere unless you have him in a 2A OR 2B role

[720]

Give me Miller or Scoot. I don’t care that Miller had a bad tournament. I saw him for the whole season and he was amazing.

All this talk about will either of these guys become Siakam in the future is pointless because Siakam is ideally a 2nd or 3rd option kind of guy and we can’t put him in that position on our team. We’re wasting his time and ours.

Dumbass FO traded our pick next year so this trade will enable us to go younger and actually get a blue chip prospect in return.

All those trades you see where one team gets 4-5 picks, those picks usually never end up being this high. You hope for one of those 4-5 to get to this point.

If Portland is serious about building a contender and are interested you take advantage.

[OakleyDokely]

Not really, he is a overhyped choke machine

....who hit the game winning shot over Draymond to win the title.

Basically the hole Warriors team was focused on stopping Leonard on that play , and if it were not for Leonard we don't even get past Philly , you know the series where Siakam did nothing after game one or the Bucks where Siakam choked at the line in OT in game 3 and was average that whole series. Siakam was not even the clear #2 option during our title run, it was Leonard and then a different guy every night stepping up as the #2 option. Outside of the series against the Magic there was no clear #2 option, one night is was Siakam another night Fred another night Lowry another night Serge

Then you need to look at what has the team done since Leonard left town? nothing because Siakam has no business in a top option role and his stats are just empty stats. Good player but not taking your team anywhere unless you have him in a 2A OR 2B role

So maybe he'd be really great as a #2 next to another star like Lillard....hmmmm.

Siakam was #2 in usage and PPG when the Raps won the title and his game has only grown and gotten better since then.

[mtcan]

Not really, he is a overhyped choke machine

....who hit the game winning shot over Draymond to win the title.

Basically the hole Warriors team was focused on stopping Leonard on that play , and if it were not for Leonard we don't even get past Philly , you know the series where Siakam did nothing after game one or the Bucks where Siakam choked at the line in OT in game 3 and was average that whole series. Siakam was not even the clear #2 option during our title run, it was Leonard and then a different guy every night stepping up as the #2 option. Outside of the series against the Magic there was no clear #2 option, one night is was Siakam another night Fred another night Lowry another night Serge

Then you need to look at what has the team done since Leonard left town? nothing because Siakam has no business in a top option role and his stats are just empty stats. Good player but not taking your team anywhere unless you have him in a 2A OR 2B role

I don't think anyone here is arguing that Pascal is a top offensive option. The consensus is that he is a legit second or third option...and guess what a team like Portland needs? A capable second option to play with Dame. Doesn't hurt that Pacal can play make for teammates, rebound and defend.

Pascal is probably the best all-round player that Dame will have ever played with. LaMarcus Aldridge was good but he was never the defender and playmaker Pascal is and CJ while being a better scorer lacks in almost every other facet compared to Paacal. Jerami Grant comes close but he still ain't him.

Adding Pascal and resigning Jerami Grant gives the Blazers 2 very good defensive wings that can guard 5 positions.

If the Blazers would expand a trade to include also Shaedon Sharpe and expand a trade to include OG...imagine a line-up of:

Dame
OG
Grant
Siakam
free agent center like Christian Wood/Vuc/Mason Plumlee/Dwight Powell/etc.

That is a menacing wing combination with OG, Siakam and Grant guarding the opponents' best offensive players...and all these guys score some as well.

The main issue with the Blazer in the last 7 years was lack of shooting and defence. While not knock-down 3 point shooters...OG, Pascal and Jerami Grant can all make a 3 at a decent clip but they won't kill you on D.

[KL78192020]

there are 30 nba franchises, and only one of them is talking up this pascal(or OG) for #3/scoot nonsense. The other 29, especially including portland, aren't interested or talking about such a thing.

Portland may trade the 3(even if its after the draft), but whether or not they trade it likely depends on if an actual difference making star comes up on the market. I don't see them trading it for guys who really don't move the needle that much. And honestly that's how people view OG and even siakem. Very nice players but not needle movers. Because if they were.....well, what was you guys record again?

Dude...you are on TORONTO RAPTORS board...not the General board. What were you expecting?

Why are you even here if you don't like to hear about Raptors fans peddling Raptors trade ideas?

Guys stop responding to this troll. I have already added him to my ignore list. He doesn't have anything of substance to say, just trying to get a rise out of you.

Its really not that crazy to think the Blazers wouldn’t want to trade the 3rd pick for Siakam or OG. The big issue is both are expiring contracts, 3rd pick is a lot to give up for a guy that could just leave in a year. Probably why it was hard to trade GTJ and FVV.

[tecumseh18]

Not really, he is a overhyped choke machine

....who hit the game winning shot over Draymond to win the title.

Basically the hole Warriors team was focused on stopping Leonard on that play ...

Uh, except for Draymond "best defender in NBA history" Green who was guarding Pascal one on one on the play. Kawhi was hobbled and wasn't a factor in Games 5 (except for a brief run in the 4th quarter) or 6. Warriors had surely scouted that. And the Raptors understood, which is why Kyle, Fred and Pascal realized it was up to them to win in Game 6.

, and if it were not for Leonard we don't even get past Philly , you know the series where Siakam did nothing after game

He was hurt, and only playing because it was the playoffs.

one or the Bucks where Siakam choked at the line in OT in game 3

Pascal is never a guy I expect to make FTs in the clutch.

and was average that whole series.

Not true, Pascal's defence was on point throughout, and he helped to clinch Game 5.

Siakam was not even the clear #2 option during our title run

https://clutchpoints.com/raptors-news-kawhi-leonard-pascal-siakam-ties-michael-jordan-scottie-pippen-duo-for-second-most-points-by-a-pair-in-the-postseason

Then you need to look at what has the team done since Leonard left town?

Team had the second best winning percentage in the NBA the year after Kawhi left. Tampa was (purposely) bad, in 2021-2022 Raps were one of the best teams in the league after the ASB, and could well have beaten Sixers (despite Embiid being 100%) if Scottie and Fred and Gary hadn't been injured/sick and Precious just made one FT at the end of Game 3.

This past season was strange, but at the half way point I, along with Coach David Thorpe, started blaming Nurse. Apparently management did, too.

[tacosman]

there are 30 nba franchises, and only one of them is talking up this pascal(or OG) for #3/scoot nonsense. The other 29, especially including portland, aren't interested or talking about such a thing.

Portland may trade the 3(even if its after the draft), but whether or not they trade it likely depends on if an actual difference making star comes up on the market. I don't see them trading it for guys who really don't move the needle that much. And honestly that's how people view OG and even siakem. Very nice players but not needle movers. Because if they were.....well, what was you guys record again?

And yet Zack Lowe disagrees with you. Maybe don't pretend to know everything.

"Lowe doubts No. 3 and Anfernee Simons would be enough for the Blazers to acquire either Mikal Bridges or OG Anuonby."

-JONATHAN GIVONY/ESPN

No, I don't think he does- he's just commenting that he thinks Masai wouldn't do that. It doesn't mean that the blazers would. It doesn't mean that the blazers would even trade 3 alone for OG. It just means toronto may have a very unrealistic view of OG's value, which makes sense as thats probably why he is still on the raptors roster now.

[Fairview4Life]

there are 30 nba franchises, and only one of them is talking up this pascal(or OG) for #3/scoot nonsense. The other 29, especially including portland, aren't interested or talking about such a thing.

Portland may trade the 3(even if its after the draft), but whether or not they trade it likely depends on if an actual difference making star comes up on the market. I don't see them trading it for guys who really don't move the needle that much. And honestly that's how people view OG and even siakem. Very nice players but not needle movers. Because if they were.....well, what was you guys record again?

And yet Zack Lowe disagrees with you. Maybe don't pretend to know everything.

"Lowe doubts No. 3 and Anfernee Simons would be enough for the Blazers to acquire either Mikal Bridges or OG Anuonby."

-JONATHAN GIVONY/ESPN

No, I don't think he does- he's just commenting that he thinks Masai wouldn't do that. It doesn't mean that the blazers would. It doesn't mean that the blazers would even trade 3 alone for OG. It just means toronto may have a very unrealistic view of OG's value, which makes sense as thats probably why he is still on the raptors roster now.

And Mikal Bridges too, apparently. Just skip over that one?