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Re: Raptors coaching search - Part 2 

Post#801 » by WuTang_CMB » Thu Jun 8, 2023 5:07 pm

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A bit like Michael Grange, nothing new in this Stein report.

There is been no new information surrounding Rajakovic and Atkinson lately. Unless that is on purpose I still think that the more it’s quiet the more it’s leaning toward Sergiolo.

Each day we have updates regarding Sergiolo. Could be also because he is facing Medias contrary to the other candidates. But his name has been constantly there. For the other, it’s there then it’s gone.

The process might be long but we are getting closer.

In my list of preference I like what I reading about Atkinson and his focus on development. I still fear that Scariolo = trying to be competitive but in the end only being average. Too strong for high lotery pick, not strong enough to get past 1st rd .


There is a good podcast from William Lou who interviewed a top European writer (I think from Lithuania) about his knowledge about Scariolo. It came out that he is really good at using an entire roster and is not a yeller or a screamer. He did have talented teams but also won without them and is well-regarded tactically for having his success despite missing some of the talent he had previously. The interviewee went on to say that he works with what he has and plays a deep bench.


I listened to that this morning on my walk to work. Not a bad interview. Scariolo has shown he can win and get the best out of his group, just as we saw at the eurobasket. He plays a 10 man rotation even at Virtus. At the end of the day, if the coach is willing to give CONSISTENT minutes to young players, they will develop. You can have 100 video/development coaches, if they dont play, they aren't succeeding.
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Re: Raptors coaching search - Part 2 

Post#802 » by SpezNc » Thu Jun 8, 2023 5:12 pm

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A bit like Michael Grange, nothing new in this Stein report.

There is been no new information surrounding Rajakovic and Atkinson lately. Unless that is on purpose I still think that the more it’s quiet the more it’s leaning toward Sergiolo.

Each day we have updates regarding Sergiolo. Could be also because he is facing Medias contrary to the other candidates. But his name has been constantly there. For the other, it’s there then it’s gone.

The process might be long but we are getting closer.

In my list of preference I like what I reading about Atkinson and his focus on development. I still fear that Scariolo = trying to be competitive but in the end only being average. Too strong for high lotery pick, not strong enough to get past 1st rd .


There is a good podcast from William Lou who interviewed a top European writer (I think from Lithuania) about his knowledge about Scariolo. It came out that he is really good at using an entire roster and is not a yeller or a screamer. He did have talented teams but also won without them and is well-regarded tactically for having his success despite missing some of the talent he had previously. The interviewee went on to say that he works with what he has and plays a deep bench.


I listened to that this morning on my walk to work. Not a bad interview. Scariolo has shown he can win and get the best out of his group, just as we saw at the eurobasket. He plays a 10 man rotation even at Virtus. At the end of the day of the coach is winning to give CONSISTENT minutes to young players, they will develop. You can have 100 video/development coaches, if they dont play, they aren't succeeding.


Agree 100%, developing = playing

Does not mean you give 35 minutes to all rookies playing a young guy as much as possible

But a young guy need to play and most importantly has the confidence of the coach to develop.

With Nurse it was hard to see the younger guy having any confidence when you see your coach (NN) doing all he can to play the bench as little as possible.
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Re: Raptors coaching search - Part 2 

Post#803 » by ArthurVandelay » Thu Jun 8, 2023 5:14 pm

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'Its believed that Memphis Grizzlies assistant coach Darko Rajaković continues to be under consideration for the job alongside Scariolo and Atkinson. Those three candidates appear to have gained separation from Sacramento Kings associate head coach Jordi Fernández.

It’s also worth noting that, in his 13 seasons as a lead decision-maker in both Denver and Toronto, Ujiri has hired only one coach: Nurse. He inherited George Karl in Denver and Dwane Casey in Toronto.

Because Ujiri knew Nurse's work well before choosing him to replace Casey, perhaps that gives an edge to Scariolo, who spent three seasons on Nurse's staff before returning to Europe to take the Bologna job.



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Post#805 » by WuTang_CMB » Thu Jun 8, 2023 5:42 pm

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Post#806 » by Raptors_128 » Thu Jun 8, 2023 5:45 pm

It’s clear there is no rebuild and Sergio is the next coach of the Raptors.

Nurse vs. Sergio in the play-in championship.
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Re: Raptors coaching search - Part 2 

Post#807 » by nestea » Thu Jun 8, 2023 5:56 pm

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nestea wrote:Why Sergio. He was here before. What a boring hire that would be


He wasn't the head coach. Assistants have their little box and he helped Nurse with what he was responsible for. Maybe he scouted certain teams, or devised defensive strategies.

Thing is he has head coached teams and won. I am not as much a fan of bringing some guy who is an up and comer type. Getting a bad coach can kill everything.

You need the right type of culture guy and it starts with knowing how to play unselfishly which seems to be his trademark. We have a middle aged team so we need a guy who can win respect.


I'm still not sold. They should go younger
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Post#808 » by Jenike » Thu Jun 8, 2023 6:11 pm

What was Sergio responsible for when he was an assistant? If it was the offense, then hire him. The raptors offense was horrible to watch last year. Zero movement with purpose. It looked like 40 year old men's league sometimes.
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Post#809 » by ForeverTFC » Thu Jun 8, 2023 6:24 pm

Raptors_128 wrote:It’s clear there is no rebuild and Sergio is the next coach of the Raptors.

Nurse vs. Sergio in the play-in championship.


I don’t understand this thinking. Is it because of his age?

Will Hardy is 35 and he didn’t tank in Utah and played his starters a lot looking to win. Meanwhile Pop and Casey both tanked at 74 and 66.

If there is one thing we know about Sergio, it’s that he plays a deep bench. Would his hiring not point to development being at least one of the priorities?
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Post#810 » by JPriest » Thu Jun 8, 2023 6:29 pm

I'm a little hesitant on Sergio because I want a complete culture and play-style shift from what the team has become since 2020. Bringing in Sergio would appear on the surface to be contrary to that goal given his involvement with the team in the past and working under Nurse. It would also make it appear as though Masai just enjoys retreads and is clinging onto remnants of the championship era when nothing has come of it except a .500 team. But these issues don't speak to his abilities and qualities as a head coach in any aspect that Masai may be looking for and what's best for the team as a whole going forward. Nurse is gone and if FVV is gone too, that would be the step in the right direction in fixing this broken culture and I wouldn't mind Sergio if that's the case. He's not that old in coach years. He has at least another decade and generally, no coach lasts that long. Running it back with the FVV-Siakam core praying Sergio could make them contenders would leave a sour taste in my mouth to start the season.
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Re: Raptors coaching search - Part 2 

Post#811 » by ATLTimekeeper » Thu Jun 8, 2023 6:39 pm

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Raptors_128 wrote:It’s clear there is no rebuild and Sergio is the next coach of the Raptors.

Nurse vs. Sergio in the play-in championship.


I don’t understand this thinking. Is it because of his age?

Will Hardy is 35 and he didn’t tank in Utah and played his starters a lot looking to win. Meanwhile Pop and Casey both tanked at 74 and 66.

If there is one thing we know about Sergio, it’s that he plays a deep bench. Would his hiring not point to development being at least one of the priorities?


Casey got fired and Pop is an executive with the Spurs. Sergio isn't coming over to be the first European coach in the NBA at 62 just to play Banton 30 minutes a night. Playing 10 deep in Europe isn't the same as in the NBA.
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Re: Raptors coaching search - Part 2 

Post#812 » by JShuttlesworth » Thu Jun 8, 2023 6:46 pm

I would be okay with Sergio, nothing against him as a coach

The problem (to me) with bringing on Sergio is what it's communicating to the fans -- change isn't coming

Get ready for another year featuring way too much of Fred and Siakam
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Post#813 » by C_Money » Thu Jun 8, 2023 6:49 pm

Yep, it seems to me like they already know but are waiting for Sergio’s season to end.
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Re: Raptors coaching search - Part 2 

Post#814 » by Raptors_128 » Thu Jun 8, 2023 7:07 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:
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Raptors_128 wrote:It’s clear there is no rebuild and Sergio is the next coach of the Raptors.

Nurse vs. Sergio in the play-in championship.


I don’t understand this thinking. Is it because of his age?

Will Hardy is 35 and he didn’t tank in Utah and played his starters a lot looking to win. Meanwhile Pop and Casey both tanked at 74 and 66.

If there is one thing we know about Sergio, it’s that he plays a deep bench. Would his hiring not point to development being at least one of the priorities?


Casey got fired and Pop is an executive with the Spurs. Sergio isn't coming over to be the first European coach in the NBA at 62 just to play Banton 30 minutes a night. Playing 10 deep in Europe isn't the same as in the NBA.


Yeah that’s my thinking as well.

It is about age honestly speaking. I just don’t see him coming here to coach a rebuilding team at 62. A younger coach would grow with the younger guys and both of them would develop together. At 62, do you have patience for that?
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Post#815 » by MiamiSPX » Thu Jun 8, 2023 7:14 pm

Although the Sergio hire points to running it back, we don't know for sure. Even in the hypothetical lower range of a 5-year 20M USD deal, that is far more than what he is earning in Italy.

It could be the challenge, reaching the pinnacle (sorry my European compadres, the NBA is the pinnacle), and yes, the money as well.
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Post#816 » by And1Skip » Thu Jun 8, 2023 7:34 pm

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If Sergio ends up getting the job, Patrick Mutumbo would have been a good guy to be one of his assistants since he has worked with Sergio before, but that's not happening.
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Post#817 » by WuTang_CMB » Thu Jun 8, 2023 7:36 pm

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Re: Raptors coaching search - Part 2 

Post#818 » by ForeverTFC » Thu Jun 8, 2023 7:45 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:
ForeverTFC wrote:
Raptors_128 wrote:It’s clear there is no rebuild and Sergio is the next coach of the Raptors.

Nurse vs. Sergio in the play-in championship.


I don’t understand this thinking. Is it because of his age?

Will Hardy is 35 and he didn’t tank in Utah and played his starters a lot looking to win. Meanwhile Pop and Casey both tanked at 74 and 66.

If there is one thing we know about Sergio, it’s that he plays a deep bench. Would his hiring not point to development being at least one of the priorities?


Casey got fired and Pop is an executive with the Spurs. Sergio isn't coming over to be the first European coach in the NBA at 62 just to play Banton 30 minutes a night. Playing 10 deep in Europe isn't the same as in the NBA.


Sure. What about Will Hardy?

Everyone is making all of these assumptions about Sergio and what he wants. I get if this concern is positioned as purely conjecture, but most are stating it as fact.

It’s the same with him being a continuation of culture and play style because he worked under Nurse. That one is even more baffling because we saw the stark difference between Nurse and Casey. Just conjecture.
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Post#819 » by bluerap23 » Thu Jun 8, 2023 7:45 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:
ForeverTFC wrote:
Raptors_128 wrote:It’s clear there is no rebuild and Sergio is the next coach of the Raptors.

Nurse vs. Sergio in the play-in championship.


I don’t understand this thinking. Is it because of his age?

Will Hardy is 35 and he didn’t tank in Utah and played his starters a lot looking to win. Meanwhile Pop and Casey both tanked at 74 and 66.

If there is one thing we know about Sergio, it’s that he plays a deep bench. Would his hiring not point to development being at least one of the priorities?


Casey got fired and Pop is an executive with the Spurs. Sergio isn't coming over to be the first European coach in the NBA at 62 just to play Banton 30 minutes a night. Playing 10 deep in Europe isn't the same as in the NBA.


And you know this how??

Also - he isn't the first European coach in NBA.
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Post#820 » by ___Rand___ » Thu Jun 8, 2023 7:45 pm

ForeverTFC wrote:
Raptors_128 wrote:It’s clear there is no rebuild and Sergio is the next coach of the Raptors.

Nurse vs. Sergio in the play-in championship.


I don’t understand this thinking. Is it because of his age?

Will Hardy is 35 and he didn’t tank in Utah and played his starters a lot looking to win. Meanwhile Pop and Casey both tanked at 74 and 66.

If there is one thing we know about Sergio, it’s that he plays a deep bench. Would his hiring not point to development being at least one of the priorities?


I don't know what Sergio's priorities are, but our FO ain't gonna hire Thibs III. So whoEVER gets the HC job, one of his priorities will be to develop young guys. Look at Pep! One of the winningest coaches in soccer. He is bankrolled by oil yet he doesn't rest. He improves upon each and every player he gets. Development is essential to winning. Not just of the bench and the young, but of your stars as well.
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