2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th

[Dalek]

My three and D guy DeAndre Daniels putting in work in Charlotte (missed a few mid-range shots but drained most of his threes - I can live with it): http://www.nba.com/hornets/video/2014/0 ... v-3287267/

He is a perfect back-up to Ross with potential to supercede him in the rotation given that he is a better shooter and can grabs boards and block some shots. He still looks skinny from the video, but he has a smooth shot and length that says he will be a high-end role player on the next level.

Melvin Ejim was also looking good in his workout but seems a bit heavy in a PJ Tucker sort of way: http://www.nba.com/hornets/video/2014/0 ... v-3287267/

Ejim is coming to Toronto on June 4 so I am curious if they are interested in him.

[BillyGM]

The more tape I watch of Bachynski, the more I want to see us draft him. Fits a need, great length, very mobile for a guy his size, seems to get off the floor pretty quickly to contest shots, rotates well, mature & seems like a pretty cool dude. Would fit in with our current group.

Could be another Asik.

Sacre was selected by the Lakers in the 2nd round & Bachynski seems like a much better prospect.

But is he worth reaching for with our first 2nd rounder? I do think there's enough good true bigs in this 2nd round that we should be able to find a good one. Getting a rotation big on a 2nd round contract is tremendous value, if a slightly higher risk.

Patric Young measured 6' 10" but I prefer Bachynski; Nikola Jokic is young 6'11" prospect who could still grow to be 7' 0" +; There's also Artem Klimenko whois is 7'1"; but I don't know anything about Jokic or Klimenko and how they would compare to Bachynski.
For me in 2nd round it's:
1. Bachynski
-gap-
2. Patric Young
-gap-
3. Other guys that I don't know about

To be honest I see Bachynski being 24 year old as a plus for us as he's probably ready to make impact right away and we need that from a backup C as we are playoff team. Same with Young.

Other guys seems like they need to be developed but they are very interesting prospects.

Artem has all the physical tools, lateral quickness, mobility, ability to finish. He can probably become a starting center in the league but that will take like a lot of time 4-6 years....
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[Risk101]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNCeqBEwURk[/youtube]

Dwight Powell has really impressed me
- Incredible athlete
- Consistent Mid range jumper
- Great size at 6'11"
- Very quick laterally.

I watched some of his games at Stanford and he seems like he could become a decent stretch 4 in this league. He would be a great player coming off the bench. DX has him at 50 right now.

It also doesn't hurt he's from Toronto

[OAKLEY_2]

The more tape I watch of Bachynski, the more I want to see us draft him. Fits a need, great length, very mobile for a guy his size, seems to get off the floor pretty quickly to contest shots, rotates well, mature & seems like a pretty cool dude. Would fit in with our current group.

Could be another Asik.

Sacre was selected by the Lakers in the 2nd round & Bachynski seems like a much better prospect.

Agreed. He is solid.

[BillyGM]

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Dwight Powell has really impressed me
- Incredible athlete
- Consistent Mid range jumper
- Great size at 6'11"
- Very quick laterally.

I watched some of his games at Stanford and he seems like he could become a decent stretch 4 in this league. He would be a great player coming off the bench. DX has him at 50 right now.

It also doesn't hurt he's from Toronto

Did Raptors invite him to our pre-draft camp? I feel like he can make it in the NBA. I also like his teammate Huestis. I remember someone said that 6'11" guys who can make mid range jumpshot will find their spot on an NBA team like Yi Jianlin.

[Double Helix]

Patric Young looks the part of a star physically but his standing reach is like SF-level for some reason and he obviously hasn't lived up to his HS hype. His standing reach of 8'7.5 is really small for a big in the NBA. Landry Fields, for example, covers an inch more territory with his hands straight up in the post.

He has a 7'1'2 wingspan as well which makes it seem even stranger. Is he just all shoulder width in his wingspan?



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Dude has a career in the WWE if this basketball thing doesn't work out.

[MEDIC]

The more tape I watch of Bachynski, the more I want to see us draft him. Fits a need, great length, very mobile for a guy his size, seems to get off the floor pretty quickly to contest shots, rotates well, mature & seems like a pretty cool dude. Would fit in with our current group.

Could be another Asik.

Sacre was selected by the Lakers in the 2nd round & Bachynski seems like a much better prospect.

But is he worth reaching for with our first 2nd rounder? I do think there's enough good true bigs in this 2nd round that we should be able to find a good one. Getting a rotation big on a 2nd round contract is tremendous value, if a slightly higher risk.

I don't see him as a reach. I think someone will pick him in the 2nd round. Who knows, someone may even take him with a late 1st of they need a C.

Patric Young measured 6' 10" but I prefer Bachynski; Nikola Jokic is young 6'11" prospect who could still grow to be 7' 0" +; There's also Artem Klimenko whois is 7'1"; but I don't know anything about Jokic or Klimenko and how they would compare to Bachynski.
For me in 2nd round it's:
1. Bachynski
-gap-
2. Patric Young
-gap-
3. Other guys that I don't know about

To be honest I see Bachynski being 24 year old as a plus for us as he's probably ready to make impact right away and we need that from a backup C as we are playoff team. Same with Young.

Other guys seems like they need to be developed but they are very interesting prospects.

Artem has all the physical tools, lateral quickness, mobility, ability to finish. He can probably become a starting center in the league but that will take like a lot of time 4-6 years....
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I feel the same way you do. I'd be fine with Pat Young or Bachynski. Whoever seems like the better prospect. Hell, I'd be really happy if we could get them both.

It does seem like there will be a lot of useful bigs in the 2nd round. More so than in most drafts. We need to take advantage of it.

[for_tdot]

TJ Warren vs Jabari Parker. Don't laugh yet. Let's think this through. How big a talent gap is there? It's substantial obviously but have a look at both DX vids again back to back just for fun.

This is the Pierce vs Mashburn comparison over the first decade of their careers. As you can see, their raw counting stats weren't far off but Pierce was just better at doing everything that made Mashburn a special college player. Pierce was more efficient. Warren has some game to him and intriguing size and he has some strengths and weaknesses not totally unlike that of Parker. The question is therefore how much worse are his strengths, right?

As I mentioned before, Warren reminds me of the type of guy who would have gone in the lotto in the 1990s. He played in the same conference as Parker with far less complimentary help and put up similar counting stats on worse TS% because he shoots the 3 ball worse. He's also only a year older. They have the same size. They can both grab a board and go end to end. They both get to the line at a good rate. They both have tweener defensive weakness concerns. They both are naturals. The biggest difference is that Parker does everything Warren does at that next level and his 3 pointer is far better. Oddly enough, they both bring the ball down near their waist before shooting a 3, but Warren's drops further. Neither showed great perimeter D or passing ability.

In private workouts Warren's 3 looks much better and to hear him tell it during his combine interview he knows he can shoot it better than he showed in games. Leading that NC State team caused him to go hero mode a little too often at times because that's what they needed but perhaps in a lesser role, like a third scorer role, his efficiency would increase and you could simplify a role for him?

So, what do you think? Is a less efficient, less athletic, lower ceiling (75% version) Parker-type of SF not a bad get at 20? What if his 3 does reach that 35% range because he wasn't taking on so much usage and seeing so much defensive pressure? Would being drafted at 20 humble him? Would seeing Ross on D and coming to a defensive team like ours sharpen his perimeter D? Can he be groomed into an interesting SF?

I love his size for the position. I see some naturalistic talent. I think he will get better. Can he be a 15.5-16.0 PER SF in his prime whereas Parker projects to be a 20.0+ type? Caron Butler, a guy that I've seen Warren compared to, also was in that range. That's compelling value at 20, no? Given the lack of big SFs around the league wouldn't he become an interesting piece of trade bait down the road? Again, I'm just spitballing ideas here. I watched their DX videos back-to-back and became a little more intrigued by Warren because of it. If you haven't done so maybe try it now. There's a difference obviously but I think you may come away more impressed by Warren regardless. That, or you may think a little less of Parker as a team's best player. Either way... It's interesting.

Word is if Boston doesn't get Parker or Wiggins there is no way Warren drops below 17th
For me if we get either Hood or Warren would mean that luck is on our side. We can get defensive minded SF in second round easily but there is no way Hood or Warren drops to second round. Rodney seems like safer pick because he isn't a tweener. However, both would be great.
On some forums I read that Warren fixed his three pointer and was shooting way higher percentage at the end of the season.

Yea he did and so did Glenn Robinson iii apparently. Would love to get Warren or Robinson iii!

[MEDIC]

Patric Young looks the part of a star physically but his standing reach is like SF-level for some reason. His standing reach of 8'7.5 is really small for a big in the NBA. Landry Fields, for example, covers an inch more territory with his hands straight up in the post.

He has a 7'1'2 wingspan as well which makes it seem even stranger. Is he just all shoulder width in his wingspan?

There is something screwy with Young's standing reach for sure. Either a typo or something went wrong during the measurement.

He had a shorter standing reach than some guys that were both shorter than him & had a narrower wingspan. He was an inch taller & had almost an inch wider wingspan than Birch, but somehow had a 3.5" shorter standing reach?

It's not like he's got one of those freaky long necks like Bosh.

[SkywalkerAC]

Patric Young doesn't do it for me. We have enough midget 5s already. I want length dammit.

The 2nd round has Austin, Bachynski, Klimenko, Tavares, McGary (maybe), Jokic, Larsen, and Diagne. It's pretty f---ing crazy how deep this draft is with 7-footers. Draftexpress has moved a few of them up to the very top of the 2nd round beyond our reach, but still.

[Double Helix]

Patric Young looks the part of a star physically but his standing reach is like SF-level for some reason. His standing reach of 8'7.5 is really small for a big in the NBA. Landry Fields, for example, covers an inch more territory with his hands straight up in the post.

He has a 7'1'2 wingspan as well which makes it seem even stranger. Is he just all shoulder width in his wingspan?

There is something screwy with Young's standing reach for sure. Either a typo or something went wrong during the measurement.

He had a shorter standing reach than some guys that were both shorter than him & had a narrower wingspan. He was an inch taller & had almost an inch wider wingspan than Birch, but somehow had a 3.5" shorter standing reach?

It's not like he's got one of those freaky long necks like Bosh.

Maybe he worked out too much and now can't lift his hands very high above his head?

[BillyGM]

To be honest I expected Young to be 6'8" or 6'9" but when I saw that he is 6'10" I was surprised. His height can be compensated by his strength and athleticism like Ben Wallace.

[Dukenukem23]

I like Capela as a future PF to play with JV. I think we need to decide whats happening with Paterson and Vasquez.

I have a feeling that if Elfrid Payton is on the board thats who we are taking

Capela and Jonas together means there is no scoring opportunity for Jonas.
If Jonas is a low post player, it is best for him to have a high post or stretch big. Neither Capela nor Jonas are good passer to play the high post, which will not work.

It's not just about the offense. Capela would be the rim protector on defense since Jonas isn't the defender he's supposed to be yet. If Capela can add a jumper like Serge Ibaka did he'd be fine beside Jonas. However, I'd doubt Capela is available at our pick with teams seeing the value of Ibaka against San Antonio.

Long term they would be ideal together. Right now Capela gets most of his points off of lobs and put backs because he's such a great rebounder. Capela actually prefers the perimeter game right now and will often use his quickness to blow by the defender and get to the hoop or shoot a mid range jumper (which needs some work). On defense he's everything we need next to Jonas, shot blocking, pnr defensive specialist and great rebounding. Once his offensive skills match up with his desires to be a perimeter oriented big on offense they will be a deadly combo. That is if Capela even slides to #20.

[raptor jesus]

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Dwight Powell has really impressed me
- Incredible athlete
- Consistent Mid range jumper
- Great size at 6'11"
- Very quick laterally.

I watched some of his games at Stanford and he seems like he could become a decent stretch 4 in this league. He would be a great player coming off the bench. DX has him at 50 right now.

It also doesn't hurt he's from Toronto

I know it's just a workout, but the way the ball goes through the hoop for him is so pure - great arc, and more often than not it's nothing but net. Really impressive indeed.

[Risk101]

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John Wall
2010 NBA Draft Combine
Height w/shoes - 6' 4"
Weight - 196
Wingspan - 6' 9.25"
Standing Reach - 8' 5.5"
Body Fat - 5.6
No Step Vert - 30.0
Max Vert - 39.0

Marcus Smart
2014 NBA Draft Combine
Height w/shoes - 6' 3.25"
Weight - 227
Wingspan - 6' 9.25"
Standing Reach - 8' 4"
Body Fat - 10.6
No Step Vert - 33.0
Max Vert - 36.0

They seem like the same prototypical type of player. The measurements are almost identical.

[ATLTimekeeper]

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John Wall
2010 NBA Draft Combine
Height w/shoes - 6' 4"
Weight - 196
Wingspan - 6' 9.25"
Standing Reach - 8' 5.5"
Body Fat - 5.6
No Step Vert - 30.0
Max Vert - 39.0

Marcus Smart
2014 NBA Draft Combine
Height w/shoes - 6' 3.25"
Weight - 227
Wingspan - 6' 9.25"
Standing Reach - 8' 4"
Body Fat - 10.6
No Step Vert - 33.0
Max Vert - 36.0

They seem like the same prototypical type of player. The measurements are almost identical.

Except Wall is like a supreme athlete for his position and size and a blur with the ball in his hands. I like Smart, but if he's going to be a cornerstone player he'll have to clean up his shot mechanics and make better decisions with the ball in his hands. It even took Wall a few years to figure out he couldn't just jet past everyone and celebrate. If Smart landed on the Lakers, I think he'd turn out great. He'd be protected by Kobe, the media would be all over his nutsack. If he ends up anywhere else he's going to have to carry a bigger burden.

[TheDunc]

Raptors better come out of the second round with a Canadian either at 37 or 59. Bachynski, Powell, Ejim or Birch all look deserving.

[DarrylFlicking]

My three and D guy DeAndre Daniels putting in work in Charlotte (missed a few mid-range shots but drained most of his threes - I can live with it): http://www.nba.com/hornets/video/2014/0 ... v-3287267/

He is a perfect back-up to Ross with potential to supercede him in the rotation given that he is a better shooter and can grabs boards and block some shots. He still looks skinny from the video, but he has a smooth shot and length that says he will be a high-end role player on the next level.

Melvin Ejim was also looking good in his workout but seems a bit heavy in a PJ Tucker sort of way: http://www.nba.com/hornets/video/2014/0 ... v-3287267/

Ejim is coming to Toronto on June 4 so I am curious if they are interested in him.

I was diggin' DeAndre as well, but I don't really like the release I see in that footage. Doesn't hold his hand up after the shot at all, and seems a little unfocused.

Melvin on the other hand is going to be a steal in the late 2nd.

[Clutch Carter]

I doubt Bachynski will be available in the second round, late 1st round IMO.

[Griff83]

Doug Smith has officially lost it.
Today on PTS he said the Stokes is a guy we might select at #20 and said Wiggins fits best in Milwaukee because they have a really good PG in Jennings.