2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

[Rapsfan07]

Raptors In: Ingram + Wiseman.

Warriors In: Siakam.

Pelicans In: Wiggins + #7 + #14.

Re-sign Lowry + Trent Jr. Get lucky with Mobley falling to #4.

Lowry / Flynn
FVV / Harris
Ingram / GTJ
OG / Boucher
Mobley / Wiseman

I'd pull the trigger on this but I can't see why NOLA would. A bad contract and two lotto picks outside the top 5 for young elite scoring wing?

[Rapsfan07]

I don't mind moving Siakam for the Wiggins, Wiseman, #7 & #14 package but only if we're going to find a way to move up from #7 and grab Kuminga.

[Morris_Shatford]

Apologies if this has been covered, but what's the status with Jalen Harris?
He was a 2-way, yeah? Is it a 2 year deal like most 2nd rounders? Is he a FA, UFA or RFA? Cap space to resign him?

It was surprisingly complicated to find an answer to that question;
This was the best I found:

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/toronto-raptors/jalen-harris-70701/

Good stuff. Thank you for your efforts Morris_Shatford! Definitely more info than I found. Was kind of hoping he could be used as a little sweetener in a deal, but it doesn't look like that's possible. Do we think he showed out well enough at the end of the season to earn more than his QO?

My pleasure!

I suspect he will be with the organization some way or another;
While its a small sample he did shoot 50% from three in the G League last season and shooters are always nice to have.

I think he place on the depth chart will likely depend on how many guys we draft that are not "stash overseas" guys in the draft. We have three picks which crowds the roster a little. Summer league (if we have one) may prove an interesting watch.

[Morris_Shatford]

I don't mind moving Siakam for the Wiggins, Wiseman, #7 & #14 package but only if we're going to find a way to move up from #7 and grab Kuminga.

I hate it less and likely do it,
But my thought is it would need to be availability dependent.

Even if I couldn't move up if Barnes is on the board at 7 (for some reason, likely the Cavs screwing up the draft) and I can get someone who is interesting at 14, maybe?

[Morris_Shatford]

Hope y’all know there are a large portion of Warrior fans that don’t think Wiggins is that far off from Siakam. Not joking

Pulling their best Bart Simpson.

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[Bruin]

I’m still struggling to see what the fuss about this kid is. He seems like a typical role player to me. What separates him from other young role players??

I originally thought it was just LA overhyping their only young player but if there’s any truth to this, then maybe front offices are actually high on him? What’s so much different from him and say Harris? They’re both unproven

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[Asif16]

I’m still struggling to see what the fuss about this kid is. He seems like a typical role player to me. What separates him from other young role players??

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I willing to bet its the Bulls who said this

[agkagk]

Raptors In: Ingram + Wiseman.

Warriors In: Siakam.

Pelicans In: Wiggins + #7 + #14.

Re-sign Lowry + Trent Jr. Get lucky with Mobley falling to #4.

Lowry / Flynn
FVV / Harris
Ingram / GTJ
OG / Boucher
Mobley / Wiseman

I'd pull the trigger on this but I can't see why NOLA would. A bad contract and two lotto picks outside the top 5 for young elite scoring wing?

if this was tweaked to the raptors getting ingram and the 14th pick and Pelicans getting wiseman, wiggins, #7 and a late future pick from toronto, I could see it possibly being more fair.

[RealityIsDemar]

Hear me out, this is is contingent on Philly deciding that Lowry is the missing piece to make the Embiid/Harris duo legit contenders. They pass on the idea of maximizing Simmons trade value to find the "perfect fit" for their strangely constructed roster. Kyle departs in the most Kyle-manner (getting the Raptors a helluva lot of value while getting to go play for a hometown contender).

In the draft, as much as I would love to try and aggressively jump up to 2 to assure we can draft Evan Mobley, I don't think Masai would tip interest in Mobley considering the possibility that he could naturally fall to 4 depending on how high HOU/CLE are on the Jalen's. The ultimate leverage position is to ultimately just sit at 4 and see who falls - the price to move up would likely be a bit rich regardless.

#4 - Jalen Suggs, G, Gonzaga

"The Sign and Trade"
PHI In: Kyle Lowry, 2022 1st round pick, 2023 2nd round pick, 2021 2nd round pick (GS)

TOR In: Benjamin Simmons

We can fix him. He's not a guard, he shouldn't be facilitating the offence and the Raptors know this. If the Raptors can't find a fit for him in the half court O, hiding his terrible lack of shooting, with our player development and a coach like Nick Nurse, nobody can fix him. We could run Simmons as a forward in a small-ball lineup, splitting time as a screener, ballhandler and in the dunker's spot.

After taking on Simmons contract, we won't have much cap. I would put our chips into resigning GTJ (hoping his trade value remains relatively high and running on the assumption we'll always be able to move him even on a larger deal in the 17-19 mil range).

GTJ 4/68

and Lastly, I would retain Khem Birch and use our MLE on a big like Kenny Olynyk or Daniel Theis.

FVV - Flynn
GTJ - Suggs
OG - Yuta
Simmons - Boucher
Siakam - Olynyk - Birch

Run the small ball lineup back, but this time inject as much talent as possible and bank on an OG jump from 3. A young team that's beastly in transition, with amazing defensive potential. Sign me up

I think this team would work a lot better with Jalen Green at the 2 to alleviate as much scoring pressure from Benjamin as possible while giving us an absolute bucket getter, but I genuinely don't see him falling to 4. Suggs is still a great fit but the concern would be spacing w/ Simmons, but I think the small ball lineup could make it work.

[tecumseh18]

"The Sign and Trade"
PHI In: Kyle Lowry, 2022 1st round pick, 2023 2nd round pick, 2021 2nd round pick (GS)

TOR In: Benjamin Simmons

...

After taking on Simmons contract, we won't have much cap. I would put our chips into resigning GTJ (hoping his trade value remains relatively high and running on the assumption we'll always be able to move him even on a larger deal in the 17-19 mil range).

Four points:

1. Can't trade consecutive first round picks. It would have to be 2022 and 2024.
2. After resigning Lowry and trading him for Simmons, Raps won't have any cap space. We'll be operating as an above the cap team, and can only sign players we don't have Bird rights to with exceptions.
3. So ... since we don't have Birch's Bird rights, how do you propose to re-sign him? We'll be over the cap, so it will have to be via an exception. But you're using the MLE on Kelly Olynyk.
4. Pascal (or OG) can't play C. We want to keep our two most valuable players healthy.

[RealityIsDemar]

"The Sign and Trade"
PHI In: Kyle Lowry, 2022 1st round pick, 2023 2nd round pick, 2021 2nd round pick (GS)

TOR In: Benjamin Simmons

...

After taking on Simmons contract, we won't have much cap. I would put our chips into resigning GTJ (hoping his trade value remains relatively high and running on the assumption we'll always be able to move him even on a larger deal in the 17-19 mil range).

Four points:

1. Can't trade consecutive first round picks. It would have to be 2022 and 2024.
2. After resigning Lowry and trading him for Simmons, Raps won't have any cap space. We'll be operating as an above the cap team, and can only sign players we don't have Bird rights to with exceptions.
3. So ... since we don't have Birch's Bird rights, how do you propose to re-sign him? We'll be over the cap, so it will have to be via an exception. But you're using the MLE on Kelly Olynyk.
4. Pascal (or OG) can't play C. We want to keep our two most valuable players healthy.

Hard disagree here;
1. No consecutive FRPs are in this deal? We are keeping 4 (2021 first) its only a 22' 1 and 2 2nds.
2. We'd also have the Mid level exception; the only avenue to sign a backup big. Olynyk may get a bit more than MLE level but there are plenty of depth bigs that may be better fits in terms of Defence/rebounding (not saying that this is what Olynyk brings [at all] but it is more consistent with that that team would need, I could just plausibly see Olynyk taking a bit of a deal to play in a prove it year for Tornto) off the bench but there would certainly be depth options
3. Fair, I don't particularly see Birch breaking the bank next year but that's a fine point w/ full MLE going to Olynyk. I forgot Birch was boughout so we don't have Bird rights.
4. We ran the small ball lineup w/ Pascal at the 5 lots in 2020-2021 and it was one of our higher rated lineups. It was very feast or famine, but the angle here is that you'd have 3 beastly forwards who can switch absolutely everything on D, and you'd go all in on gang rebounding. It's not too much of a stretch, I understand that not having a traditional big would be a very tough sell, but Pascal is more than capable of playing 20 - 25 minutes at the 5 if we can use the MLE on a decent depth option behind him imo.

What is a better lineup than FVV - Suggs - OG - Simmons - Siakam to close out a team like the Nets, Bucks or Hawks in a playoff game? The biggest issue would 100% be spacing rather than the durability of Pascal at the 5 imo, but that close out lineup is very well sutied to shut down all the biggest competitors in the East minus Embiid/Kyle led-Sixers.

[douggood]

I’m still struggling to see what the fuss about this kid is. He seems like a typical role player to me. What separates him from other young role players??

I originally thought it was just LA overhyping their only young player but if there’s any truth to this, then maybe front offices are actually high on him? What’s so much different from him and say Harris? They’re both unproven

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masai wanted him.
first off all the max for him is 4 year 78ish mil.

he is built like norm, stocky with long arms, can play 2/3. is very young still, 6 moths older than jalen suggs.
he played a very good g league season last year, compare that to someone like kuminga/jalen green numbers this season and you see why scouts like him.

plus the most important reason he might get an offer sheet, the lakers are in a tough position to match it. lets say raptors give him the max 4 years 80 mil, if the lakers dont match it, it will be apx 17-19-21-23 mil per year; but if the lakers match it, because he is arenas limited it will count 9.5, 9.75, 30, 30 mil on thier cap. years 3/4 will be tax heavy for them.

[Bruin]

I’m still struggling to see what the fuss about this kid is. He seems like a typical role player to me. What separates him from other young role players??

I originally thought it was just LA overhyping their only young player but if there’s any truth to this, then maybe front offices are actually high on him? What’s so much different from him and say Harris? They’re both unproven

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masai wanted him.
first off all the max for him is 4 year 78ish mil.

he is built like norm, stocky with long arms, can play 2/3. is very young still, 6 moths older than jalen suggs.

plus the most important reason he might get an offer sheet, the lakers are in a tough position to match it.

Apparently it’s 4 yrs 84 million

For comparison OG got 4 years 72 million

It’s absurd such an unproven player who has done nothing would get that big a deal

[durka]

Wonder what is a better hypothetical scenario?:

Draft Mobley and Sign Lonzo Ball
Draft Suggs and Sign Holmes.

better is mobley and ball
but its unlikely we only have 17ish mil cap space,(upto 24 if we dont pick up option on boucher), that being said he is a RFA so no guarantee you get him anyways.

Doing a double S&T for Lowry could potentially work. Both guys probably make around 20m on their new contracts. Not sure how well that would work on the Pelicans side, but after seeing what CP has done in PHX there's a chance NO would want to bring a veteran PG in to help teach their young stars how to win. Obviously Kyle would have to agree to go there, but playing with Zion and BI while getting his bag might be appealing to him.

[Morris_Shatford]

I’m still struggling to see what the fuss about this kid is. He seems like a typical role player to me. What separates him from other young role players??

I originally thought it was just LA overhyping their only young player but if there’s any truth to this, then maybe front offices are actually high on him? What’s so much different from him and say Harris? They’re both unproven

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I like the kid;
He is 20 and seems to work his ass off.

With that said when I saw the term "max" I nearly spit my coffee out.
I was thinking somewhere along the lines of FVVs first contract after his rookie deal money, not more than FVV current contract.

[douggood]

I like the kid;
He is 20 and seems to work his ass off.

With that said when I saw the term "max" I nearly spit my coffee out.
I was thinking somewhere along the lines of FVVs first contract after his rookie deal money, not more than FVV current contract.

his is arenas limited, so his max is 4yr 82.7 mil.
2 years at mle, then 2 years at 25% max salary = 82.7

[Morris_Shatford]

I like the kid;
He is 20 and seems to work his ass off.

With that said when I saw the term "max" I nearly spit my coffee out.
I was thinking somewhere along the lines of FVVs first contract after his rookie deal money, not more than FVV current contract.

his is arenas limited, so his max is 4yr 82.7 mil.

Ah Yes
Either way that is a lot of cheesecake for what he provides.

[mademan]

THT is a no go. Lakers are matching regardless. His first 2 seasons are like 10mill a piece, and Lakers arent in position to be letting talent walk out the door, especially at that price tag

[AussieRaptor]

Raptors In: Ingram + Wiseman.

Warriors In: Siakam.

Pelicans In: Wiggins + #7 + #14.

Re-sign Lowry + Trent Jr. Get lucky with Mobley falling to #4.

Lowry / Flynn
FVV / Harris
Ingram / GTJ
OG / Boucher
Mobley / Wiseman

I'd pull the trigger on this but I can't see why NOLA would. A bad contract and two lotto picks outside the top 5 for young elite scoring wing?

if this was tweaked to the raptors getting ingram and the 14th pick and Pelicans getting wiseman, wiggins, #7 and a late future pick from toronto, I could see it possibly being more fair.

That would be heavily skewed towards the Raptors. I already think Pelicans say no in this scenario. No chance they’re giving away Ingram for less. Also, they can’t take on Wiseman’s salary in this trade. Would have to have more outgoing.

[agkagk]

I'd pull the trigger on this but I can't see why NOLA would. A bad contract and two lotto picks outside the top 5 for young elite scoring wing?

if this was tweaked to the raptors getting ingram and the 14th pick and Pelicans getting wiseman, wiggins, #7 and a late future pick from toronto, I could see it possibly being more fair.

That would be heavily skewed towards the Raptors. I already think Pelicans say no in this scenario. No chance they’re giving away Ingram for less. Also, they can’t take on Wiseman’s salary in this trade. Would have to have more outgoing.

….you think the 14th pick is worth more than wiseman?