With the 4th Pick, the Raptors select Scottie Barnes! Part 2

[FluLikeSymptoms]

Elbows too pointy? He's massive and mobile and plays to win. The only question now is how is Leo going to handle all his taunting.

As a pointy-elbowed man I’d like to direct the convo back toward weird heels.

[HiJiNX]

Does anyone else notice Scottie is too upright in everything he does? On defense he doesn't always sit down as much as he should. On offense when he's shooting threes he doesn't ben his knees. When he drives to the basket, his legs tend to be very straight and he's very upright which doesn't give him the flexibility to explode through contact or towards the basket at the end of his drives. Hopefully it's something the Raptors notice and work with him on. Too many times you see him make it all the way to the bucket and he doesn't have enough left to finish so he puts up an awkward or weak shot.

That’s a core strength issue. As big as Barnes is, I can clearly see an issue of core strength. It’s why he can’t shoot consistently and why he can’t explode through contact or past defenders. In a few years we won’t have to worry about that as much at all once he’s had a few years of NBA conditioning programs.

[StopitLeo]

Does anyone else notice Scottie is too upright in everything he does? On defense he doesn't always sit down as much as he should. On offense when he's shooting threes he doesn't ben his knees. When he drives to the basket, his legs tend to be very straight and he's very upright which doesn't give him the flexibility to explode through contact or towards the basket at the end of his drives. Hopefully it's something the Raptors notice and work with him on. Too many times you see him make it all the way to the bucket and he doesn't have enough left to finish so he puts up an awkward or weak shot.

That’s a core strength issue. As big as Barnes is, I can clearly see an issue of core strength. It’s why he can’t shoot consistently and why he can’t explode through contact or past defenders. In a few years we won’t have to worry about that as much at all once he’s had a few years of NBA conditioning programs.

Very similar to OG as a rookie imo.

[c3luong]

It's a little confusing to me why more people haven't been comparing Scottie to OG. Seems like an obvious comp to me.

[Hero_Panda]

Elbows too pointy? He's massive and mobile and plays to win. The only question now is how is Leo going to handle all his taunting.

2/10.
Elbows too pointy.
Would not...draft?

[ItsDanger]

Look at Scottie 2 years ago. His weight training at 18 is building mass & strength. Now at this point, his training should be towards strength.

[Danny1616]

It's a little confusing to me why more people haven't been comparing Scottie to OG. Seems like an obvious comp to me.

In terms of size, strength and defence, yes.

In terms of offense it's way different. OG came into the league has a very good 3 point shooter, below average handles, poor facilitating etc.

Barnes isn't a shooter, but he has very good handling skills and is an excellent facilitator.

[PhilBlackson]

It's a little confusing to me why more people haven't been comparing Scottie to OG. Seems like an obvious comp to me.

In terms of size, strength and defence, yes.

In terms of offense it's way different. OG came into the league has a very good 3 point shooter, below average handles, poor facilitating etc.

Barnes isn't a shooter, but he has very good handling skills and is an excellent facilitator.

Actually OG wasn't, common myth on here...

When OG's 3pt shot attempts went up in his 2nd year (which naturally a larger sample size would be more reflective) he shot 31% from 3 and 56% from the FT line, hardly a great shooter but he had promising shot mechanics in his release but had to work out a lot of kinks in his body (which yes actually Barnes suffers from the same types of issues).

Difference is Barnes is quite visibly larger (as Open Gym showed, he has grown) AND a far more fluid handling the ball vs OG (who looked like a 5yr old trying to keep the ball in front of him) and of course better court vision and passer...and I say that as a guy who's favorite player on the team has been OG.

[c3luong]

It's a little confusing to me why more people haven't been comparing Scottie to OG. Seems like an obvious comp to me.

In terms of size, strength and defence, yes.

In terms of offense it's way different. OG came into the league has a very good 3 point shooter, below average handles, poor facilitating etc.

Barnes isn't a shooter, but he has very good handling skills and is an excellent facilitator.

Sure, Barnes doesn't shoot it well from three yet. But I haven't really seen much from him from a handles standpoint though? Like he's probably beyond what OG was as a rookie, but I haven't seen anything overly impressive from him yet in terms of taking his man off the dribble.

[JJ From Deep]

It's a little confusing to me why more people haven't been comparing Scottie to OG. Seems like an obvious comp to me.

I don't see it. I mean defensively they can both guard 1 through 5 but to me that's where the comparisons stop. Scottie is a far superior ball-handler with court vision and an aptitude for passing, OG likes the spot up. To me, they're completely different on the offensive side of the floor.

[c3luong]

And if you look at sophomore OG his handle seems very similar to what Scottie is doing now.

[13th Man]

It's a little confusing to me why more people haven't been comparing Scottie to OG. Seems like an obvious comp to me.

In terms of size, strength and defence, yes.

In terms of offense it's way different. OG came into the league has a very good 3 point shooter, below average handles, poor facilitating etc.

Barnes isn't a shooter, but he has very good handling skills and is an excellent facilitator.

I made a OG comparison in another thread, however I admit that it was a bit lazy comparison as Scottie has a much higher ceiling with more tangibles.

It's not necessarily a bad comparison at this stage though as OG has started to become a bit more active last year especially on offense.

[c3luong]

Like I'm not denying that Barnes can dribble the ball. But for all that people talk about him being a good ball-handler, just looking at his highlights from summer league he hasn't really lived up to the hype at all. Like Dalano has shown more off-the-dribble shot creation than Barnes so far.

Btw, not saying he can't learn to take folks off the dribble, just that he hasn't shown it yet.

[hype_2004]

I dunno if anyone has said this comparison but Josh Howard when he played with the mavs I think is one of the closer ones.

Howard was a 6’7 guy with 7’2 wingspan. Good ball handler. Didn’t shoot the 3 till his 4th year as a 26 year old. Scottie is such a unique blend of length, strength and ball handling. He has a good feel for the game but it’s so weird how someone with Scotties measurements and body can look not explosive on the court.

Honestly his shot it gonna come but I’m shocked how a guy with his leaping ability can look like he’s wearing a weight vest most the time

His athleticism gives me post injury Jabari Parker jumping vibes. Not explosive or quick in the half court but a good power dunker.

He either needs to refine his first step or jumping techniques or lose 10 pounds or so.

Lose 10 lbs, you crazy. In fact it's the opposite he needs to get bigger and stronger than he already is, the core strength training will increase his explosive ability. At 225 lbs he is of ideal weight but to truly be dominant he needs to be in the 240 lbs+ range. too much emphasis on run and jump abilities, Al lot of guys in the NBA are athletic what separates the Kawhi, Luka and the LeBron's from the pack is power and strength. If you are bigger and stronger and just as skilled as your opponent you will dominate in any sport.

[c3luong]

I dunno if anyone has said this comparison but Josh Howard when he played with the mavs I think is one of the closer ones.

Howard was a 6’7 guy with 7’2 wingspan. Good ball handler. Didn’t shoot the 3 till his 4th year as a 26 year old. Scottie is such a unique blend of length, strength and ball handling. He has a good feel for the game but it’s so weird how someone with Scotties measurements and body can look not explosive on the court.

Honestly his shot it gonna come but I’m shocked how a guy with his leaping ability can look like he’s wearing a weight vest most the time

His athleticism gives me post injury Jabari Parker jumping vibes. Not explosive or quick in the half court but a good power dunker.

He either needs to refine his first step or jumping techniques or lose 10 pounds or so.

Lose 10 lbs, you crazy. In fact it's the opposite he needs to get bigger and stronger than he already is, the core strength training will increase his explosive ability. At 225 lbs he is of ideal weight but to truly be dominant he needs to be in the 240 lbs+ range. too much emphasis on run and jump abilities, Al lot of guys in the NBA are athletic what separates the Kawhi, Luka and the LeBron's from the pack is power and strength. If you are bigger and stronger and just as skilled as your opponent you will dominate in any sport.

Agreed. Anyone who thinks you can't be strong and explosive just has to watch an NBA game.

[Uncle Dennis]

I dunno if anyone has said this comparison but Josh Howard when he played with the mavs I think is one of the closer ones.

Howard was a 6’7 guy with 7’2 wingspan. Good ball handler. Didn’t shoot the 3 till his 4th year as a 26 year old. Scottie is such a unique blend of length, strength and ball handling. He has a good feel for the game but it’s so weird how someone with Scotties measurements and body can look not explosive on the court.

Honestly his shot it gonna come but I’m shocked how a guy with his leaping ability can look like he’s wearing a weight vest most the time

His athleticism gives me post injury Jabari Parker jumping vibes. Not explosive or quick in the half court but a good power dunker.

He either needs to refine his first step or jumping techniques or lose 10 pounds or so.

Lose 10 lbs, you crazy. In fact it's the opposite he needs to get bigger and stronger than he already is, the core strength training will increase his explosive ability. At 225 lbs he is of ideal weight but to truly be dominant he needs to be in the 240 lbs+ range. too much emphasis on run and jump abilities, Al lot of guys in the NBA are athletic what separates the Kawhi, Luka and the LeBron's from the pack is power and strength. If you are bigger and stronger and just as skilled as your opponent you will dominate in any sport.

I know right? Scottie was already measured at 225 at like 5% body fat. How much more cut can he be? he needs to probably gain about 10 pounds or so in the next year.

[hype_2004]

His athleticism gives me post injury Jabari Parker jumping vibes. Not explosive or quick in the half court but a good power dunker.

He either needs to refine his first step or jumping techniques or lose 10 pounds or so.

Lose 10 lbs, you crazy. In fact it's the opposite he needs to get bigger and stronger than he already is, the core strength training will increase his explosive ability. At 225 lbs he is of ideal weight but to truly be dominant he needs to be in the 240 lbs+ range. too much emphasis on run and jump abilities, Al lot of guys in the NBA are athletic what separates the Kawhi, Luka and the LeBron's from the pack is power and strength. If you are bigger and stronger and just as skilled as your opponent you will dominate in any sport.

Agreed. Anyone who thinks you can't be strong and explosive just has to watch an NBA game.

Also to think Barnes needs to lose weight, the guy is already around 5.3 % body fat, you want the guy to be anorexic? Glad these fools that suggest such stupidity aren't NBA trainers, instead they need to stay couch surfing from their mommas basements.

[HumbleRen]

I dunno if anyone has said this comparison but Josh Howard when he played with the mavs I think is one of the closer ones.

Howard was a 6’7 guy with 7’2 wingspan. Good ball handler. Didn’t shoot the 3 till his 4th year as a 26 year old. Scottie is such a unique blend of length, strength and ball handling. He has a good feel for the game but it’s so weird how someone with Scotties measurements and body can look not explosive on the court.

Honestly his shot it gonna come but I’m shocked how a guy with his leaping ability can look like he’s wearing a weight vest most the time

His athleticism gives me post injury Jabari Parker jumping vibes. Not explosive or quick in the half court but a good power dunker.

He either needs to refine his first step or jumping techniques or lose 10 pounds or so.

Lose 10 lbs, you crazy. In fact it's the opposite he needs to get bigger and stronger than he already is, the core strength training will increase his explosive ability. At 225 lbs he is of ideal weight but to truly be dominant he needs to be in the 240 lbs+ range. too much emphasis on run and jump abilities, Al lot of guys in the NBA are athletic what separates the Kawhi, Luka and the LeBron's from the pack is power and strength. If you are bigger and stronger and just as skilled as your opponent you will dominate in any sport.

240+ ??? I don’t know man. Giannis bulking up like that ruined his shot.

[hype_2004]

His athleticism gives me post injury Jabari Parker jumping vibes. Not explosive or quick in the half court but a good power dunker.

He either needs to refine his first step or jumping techniques or lose 10 pounds or so.

Lose 10 lbs, you crazy. In fact it's the opposite he needs to get bigger and stronger than he already is, the core strength training will increase his explosive ability. At 225 lbs he is of ideal weight but to truly be dominant he needs to be in the 240 lbs+ range. too much emphasis on run and jump abilities, Al lot of guys in the NBA are athletic what separates the Kawhi, Luka and the LeBron's from the pack is power and strength. If you are bigger and stronger and just as skilled as your opponent you will dominate in any sport.

I know right? Scottie was already measured at 225 at like 5% body fat. How much more cut can he be? he needs to probably gain about 10 pounds or so in the next year.

Barnes would be a real problem at 240 lbs, like I've said he has the frame to add more muscle and will likely increase his explosive ability. Giannis was quick at 200 lbs rookie season but he wasn't explosive then he dedicated himself to strength and core training now he's 245 lbs dominating everybody.

[HumbleRen]

Lose 10 lbs, you crazy. In fact it's the opposite he needs to get bigger and stronger than he already is, the core strength training will increase his explosive ability. At 225 lbs he is of ideal weight but to truly be dominant he needs to be in the 240 lbs+ range. too much emphasis on run and jump abilities, Al lot of guys in the NBA are athletic what separates the Kawhi, Luka and the LeBron's from the pack is power and strength. If you are bigger and stronger and just as skilled as your opponent you will dominate in any sport.

I know right? Scottie was already measured at 225 at like 5% body fat. How much more cut can he be? he needs to probably gain about 10 pounds or so in the next year.

Barnes would be a real problem at 240 lbs, like I've said he has the frame to add more muscle and will likely increase his explosive ability. Giannis was quick at 200 lbs rookie season but he wasn't explosive then he dedicated himself to strength and core training now he's 245 lbs dominating everybody.

Giannis always had that bounce and fluidity though. Scottie doesn’t have that, I don’t think bulking up is the right path. It’s more so balance and strength training.

He’s at a great size right now, just has to work on his conditioning and the little things like core strength, unlocking his hips. Etc etc