[Jake Fisher] The word surrounding OG Anunoby’s trade candidacy

[Brinbe]

og/trent for gobert is basically it and idk if i do that. gobert isn't a guy that would push us into a contender so what would be the point

[Courtside]

og/trent for gobert is basically it and idk if i do that. gobert isn't a guy that would push us into a contender so what would be the point

Absolutely no to that deal. We lose way too much and gain too little in that trade.

Gobert, with his combination of salary and skills just is not worth deviating from our plans for no matter how much some people may want to link us to him, which is mostly because we appear to have a hole at the C position - which we don't.

[Red_Claw]

Id Trade Fred 10 times before i trade OG. GTJ 5 times.

OG for a big is such an over reaction to us losing to Embiid. If Every team had an Embiid, different story. Our defence will get better and stronger over time but our strength now is our unselfishness, toughness and defensive switchability. That doesn't get better by losing OG.

OG can easily play SG. Id even put GTJ at PG but 5'9 Fred aint the fit anymore.

[Tor_Raps]

As much as I'd like Gobert, it would only work if he were 3 years younger at least. We have not entered our championship window so no need to spend assets for the short term that still wouldn't elevate us yo real contenders.

[yt_boi]

When did I say you wanted to trade OG? Just pointed out how garbage your example was lol.

You literally said we would only trade him if we got a guy in his late 20s and helps us win now with Gobert as the example. He’s neither of those things.

Gobert is 29 currently, and contract aside, you're silly to think gobert wouldn't be leaps and bounds better than any C we have.

Only reason people are even considering trading og is cus og, Pascal and barnes are all very similar...none can play c or sg full time.

In case u still don't understand, im saying don't trade og

Bro Gobert is going to make 37 million next season, 40 million after that. To get Gobert it wouldn’t just be OG. We would have to add more to make the contracts works. And I’m sorry but losing OG and adding Gobert wont make us better. He provides very little on offense (nothing more than dump off dunks and layups). Other teams will go small ball and kill us. Also allocating 37-40 million a year to a center in his 30s ain’t the move.

Also he’s literally turning 30 later this month and before the season starts. Unless you think the season starts next week or something he doesn’t fall into your “late 20s” criteria.

Just wrong and off bud.

I guess you don't know what contract aside means...compression bud, work on it

[CANsportsguru]

Gobert is probably the most overrated player in the league. He's a liability during the playoffs. From all the media reports he's a cancer in the locker room and just look at his contract. If we're going to give up OG there's better options.

[alpngso]

Sam Vecenie: "Would not trade OG Anunoby for the 7th pick of this year's draft" from his latest podcast

[Kingsway_fan]

Sam Vecenie: "Would not trade OG Anunoby for the 7th pick of this year's draft" from his latest podcast

And neither would Masai... og going nowhere.

[C_Money]

Sam Vecenie: "Would not trade OG Anunoby for the 7th pick of this year's draft" from his latest podcast

I don’t think any of us would. I’m not an OG fan by any means but he’s worth a lot more than the 7th pick in a sh*tty draft.

[Clutch0z24]

Over the course of 27 years, the Raptors have traditionally have had a hard time landing free agents. But we're in a new era. The franchise has recently won a championship and have one of the best development environments in the business. We dont need to carry the loser, "we cant get anybody good", mentality going forward. The Raps are actually a mid-tier or better market in terms of being a desirable destination now.

We didnt bring in a free agent C in 2020 when Ibaka/Gasol left but how many youngish free agent Cs were actually on the market in 2020 and 2021 that the Raps missed out on?

The 2022 free agent C class has a lot of interesting options that might be in the MLE level or lower. On top of this, Gorbert and Ayton are both available which is going to add a lot of noise and clutter the supply, demand dynamics. Furthermore, there arent many teams with cap space to throw around to bid beyond MLE territory. It will be an interesting offseason......I'm confident the Raps will be able to attract a rotation level player via free agency if they choose to do so.

I understand your point and the premise of that is right but the facts and history says otherwise.....I wish we could be a free agent destination for some of the big name players in the NBA after winning a ring and having a good team every year for the most part....But so far seems like its more so the same as it was....

Until i see a big target of ours be signed to us in free agency i will not bank on that being a viable option for us to bring in talent here cause thats never been the case for us....Previous and post Raptors championship....I will wait until it actually happens before i say "Now we are a free agent destination" without signing 1 single big free agent since Hedo Turk who we had to overpay drastically just to come here....

The only thing we can really be excited for is the amount of great Canadian prospects entering the NBA which could be to our advantage if they ever become free agents.....

But as i see it so far for us we build through draft and trades.....As much as we want to recruit players to Toronto they always seem to go to a different team if we are rumored to wanting a player...

As for us being the 2019 Champs....Will free agents really care about that? I mean its awesome for us Canadians and for the 17 players who were on that Roster but we are so far removed from that team we had in 2019....I can understand your point if Kawhi was still on the squad then i could see lots of free agents coming to us wanting to play here but we are in a totally different lane now...

Here is the list of our Free agent signings off top of my head...

Dell Curry
Muggsy Bogues
Voshon Lenard
Jorge Garbajosa
Anthony Parker
Landry Fields
DeMarre Carroll
Bismack Biyombo
Hedo Turkoglu
Jason Kapono
C.J. Miles
Luis Scola

I mean there is not much to brag about.....But i would be happy if there is a big time player wanting to come to Toronto its just highly unlikely...Has nothing to do with a losers mentality it just is what it is and American born players want to stay in America so it seems.

Toronto's ability to attract free agents today after years of winning under Ujiri is not the same as when we had a perpetual garbage team with clowns running the show. If you dont believe this, I dont know what to tell you.

You also keep referring to "big time player"....I dont know what you mean by this. With the MLE, all we're looking to add is a functional rotation player.

All ill say is ill believe it when i see it happen....we were a winning team when Aldridge was a Free agent as well and we would have gave him a big time role beside DD/Lowry to contend for a title but he picked the Spurs instead...We been a winning franchise for a decade now with no real good free agent signings to show for....All of our good players we ever had came in trades and draft picks...

I seen us the year we got Baynes try to get C's but they all chose different teams and we ended up having to pick the worst of the worst...The C List in free agency isn't really that big for good level C's Compared to how many NBA Teams there are and how many teams might make offers for players....Every team is looking for upgrades so it will still be a competitive field....

Jusuf Nurkic UFA Bird
Deandre Ayton RFA Bird
Serge Ibaka UFA Early Bird
Thomas Bryant UFA Bird
Ivica Zubac CO
Mohamed Bamba RFA Bird
JaVale McGee UFA
Robin Lopez UFA Non-Bird
Gorgui Dieng UFA Non-Bird
Dwight Howard UFA Non-Bird
Ed Davis UFA Non-Bird
Hassan Whiteside UFA Non-Bird
Andre Drummond UFA Non-Bird
Dewayne Dedmon UFA Early Bird
Bol Bol RFA Bird
Tony Bradley PO
Isaiah Hartenstein UFA Non-Bird
Mitchell Robinson UFA Bird
Naz Reid CO
Bismack Biyombo UFA Non-Bird
Luka Garza CO
Damian Jones UFA Early Bird
Tristan Thompson UFA Non-Bird
DeMarcus Cousins UFA Non-Bird
Luke Kornet UFA
DeAndre Jordan UFA Non-Bird
Devontae Cacok RFA Non-Bird
Greg Monroe UFA Non-Bird
Moses Brown RFA Non-Bird
Jay Huff RFA Non-Bird
Neemias Queta RFA Non-Bird

Alot of them have Team options or have restrictions so teams can sign them if they want to keep them... some will be harder to get .....Now out of this list your looking at maybe maybe a few that i would actually want on the team or could help us in areas we need....

Hartensetin
Bamba
McGee (Lol but might help)
Lopez (Prolly won't sign here)
Drummond (Prolly Won't sign here)
Thomas Bryant

Thats really all i can see out the list who would make a little bit of an impact the rest are meh signings and some i didnt write cause might be unrealistic since they have restrictions on them...

But we will see i am expecting a Biyombo/Ed Davis/Ibaka type maybe a Dieng out of the list.

[Clutch0z24]

I understand what you are saying. I disagree with your logic.

1) By your logic, the facts and history prior to 2018 were that we never had a chip, and therefore would suggest we would never win a chip. But we did. These sort of events should not be looked at through such an absolutist lens. Context is important Hasn't happened doesn't mean won't, especially when you are talking about the history of one of the youngest organizations in the NBA with the history of mismanagement that spanned more than the first decade of our existence.

2)We never signed a big FA. No problem we aren't going for big name FAs, just Hartenstein, Bamba, Smith etc. so our record of struggles signing big name FAs doesnt really apply.

I will believe it when i see it....Even mid level names do not choose us most the times.....Just being a Raptors fan as long as i have there is more of a chance we do not get a player we need and get the bottom of the bottoms....Why do you think our depth is as bad as it is right now with guys like Svi/Bonga/Brooks/Yuta And then a bunch of 905 type guys or draft picks we made with late picks.....

Its because we struggle to add depth in free agency and we mostly need home grown talent or find guys overlooked by NBA teams that not many people heard of....

I would love if we could add guys easily but its not as easy as you make it seem.....I agree with you we should be a free agent destination but the numbers say otherwise so far....We will see this offseason but do not be surprised if we end up with not much to be excited about...Might be a Biyombo reunion something along them lines...

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Been on this site since 06, and was a fan long before that, so I know our history with FA is bad. But there is context. Remember all the early BS with Butch Carter and Isaiah? Plus being an expansion franchise? The Babcock years? Who is signing then? Again not because it is Toronto, just because how badly the GM handled VC, coaching decisions, or the Hoffa draft. Would you have wanted to play for Kevin O'Neil? I mean the used car salesman proved we can bring in B tier FAs. Hedo, Kapono, Fields and Demarre signings sucked in the end, but they were all sought after FAs that summer. So again, no argument about top flight guys, but we can get B tier even if we have to overpay a bit.

As for your question about our current depth. It is bad because Masai emptied it out and hoped to hit on a few cheap Trade and FA diamonds in the rough during our quick retool. Sadly, so far it looks like we didn't hit on anyone except Precious, Champagnie and Banton. But bench depth has never been a problem for us. Zoo Crew, Bench Mob, Young Gunz etc., etc. I don't mean to site the old magic, but our problem has historically been that our deep benches were irrelevant when lineups tightened up in the playoffs. Not that we couldn't get good bench players.

I don't think it is easy. I think the context of this year's free agency matters. There is a confluence of events which I hope work in our favour.

1) Right now there is a priority among the league to find Scottie/OG/Pascal types. Some teams are going to prioritise switchable wings to follow the trend. While the rest of the league zigs, this hopefully leaves things open for us to zag and get a big.
2) This FA and draft class have a lot of bigs. A saturated market improves our chances of getting something good.
3) We are offering a rare opportunity to FA bigs. The chance join a team that was contending for homecourt advantage that appears to have a ton of starting center minutes available.
4) Most of the big money FA teams already have a young starting big man, and are in the lottery. So if we decide to go full MLE, few teams can outspend us, and that will be a bigger payday than quite a few other teams can provide.

I could be wrong. I think I might just have a more optimistic nature on this. But its been a good chat. I wont @ you if the thread gets bumped and we sign Smith or Bamba. Do the same for me if we flame out in FA.

I got it we been a bad runned franchise but we have one of the better winning records in the NBA for the past decade and have DeMarre Carroll as our best free agent signing so far after years of obviously trying to sign guys...You think Masai and the rest are not trying to bring some guys into the team year after year....They obviously have been trying but even we get meetings with players it doesn't really go anywhere and that has been the case even up to today after being a stable franchise for years now....

Will it all change this offseason and we will get a target we actually want or need ....We will see but im not holding my breath on that....

Our depth in the past has always been brought into the team through guess where ...The draft and Trades....Our whole bench mob was basically guys we drafted and maybe 1 Free agent signing.....So yeah we might have been a good depth team in the past but it had nothing to do with getting good bench players via free agency....And thats why your seeing a lack of bench help the last few years for us cause the guys we been drafting late rounds have not really panned out to be that good enough to play them mins and the free agent signings we had are horrible bottom tier level Free agents...

Free agency has alot of Bigs yes but how many of them will actually fill a need for us and help us all that much or be an upgrade....
People been saying Hartenstein, Bamba, Smith....Some of them also have restrictions on them which will make it even harder to get them...

There are lots of bigs but the ones we want might not be the ones we end up with is all im saying....Guys like Biyombo, McGee, Ibaka, Davis, Deng are the types i can see us getting....But we will see i just do not hang my hat on free agents with this team...Cause every year the board likes a certain player or thinks we have a chance at getting them we end up with the Baynes type guys in the end.

[wegotthabeet]

The question I would ask is if one of the core were to be traded, which of the core would you be willing to trade?

Siakam
Barnes
OG
Van Vleet
GTJr
Precious

Out of that group is OG really the first one you would trade?

This is assuming its not a case of another team specifically asking for OG (say for Ayton, for example)/

I would definitely trade OG out of that group.

I wouldn't. GTJ is the most likely to get traded of that group, but I would move Vanvleet because he is due for a big contract extension, doesn't really fit the 5 switchable lineup they seem to be trying to build. Do Freddy a solid and send him to Chicago.

To Chicago: FVV & Walker
To New York: Ball
To Toronto: Ayo + 11th pick + Burks

Knicks get their PG in Ball, Bulls upgrade their starting lineup by adding FVV, Raptors get a prospect + late lotto pick.

Raptors Lineup

Barnes - Ayo
GTJ - Mathurin
OG - Young
Siakam - Boucher
Achiuwa - MLE

+ Birch, Banton, Champagnie, Burks

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Sam Vecenie: "Would not trade OG Anunoby for the 7th pick of this year's draft" from his latest podcast

For just the 7th pick…ya no, would have to add way more from the blazers side.

[Mehar]

Id Trade Fred 10 times before i trade OG. GTJ 5 times.

OG for a big is such an over reaction to us losing to Embiid. If Every team had an Embiid, different story. Our defence will get better and stronger over time but our strength now is our unselfishness, toughness and defensive switchability. That doesn't get better by losing OG.

OG can easily play SG. Id even put GTJ at PG but 5'9 Fred aint the fit anymore.

100% agree. Both GTJ and FVV are going to opt out after next year. It would not be wise for this team to offer both guys the big dollars they will be asking for over the long-term. People are mentioning Gobert as an option, and if you package both guys to Utah for Gobert, the salaries match. I rather dangle both FVV or GTJ, before I look at moving OG in any trade offers.

[ishoy123]

Id Trade Fred 10 times before i trade OG. GTJ 5 times.

OG for a big is such an over reaction to us losing to Embiid. If Every team had an Embiid, different story. Our defence will get better and stronger over time but our strength now is our unselfishness, toughness and defensive switchability. That doesn't get better by losing OG.

OG can easily play SG. Id even put GTJ at PG but 5'9 Fred aint the fit anymore.

100% agree. Both GTJ and FVV are going to opt out after next year. It would not be wise for this team to offer both guys the big dollars they will be asking for over the long-term. People are mentioning Gobert as an option, and if you package both guys to Utah for Gobert, the salaries match. I rather dangle both FVV or GTJ, before I look at moving OG in any trade offers.

Toronto is going to offer both guys long-term deals barring a major trade. No point keeping cap space, and GTJ under a long-term deal is still very movable.

[WuTang_CMB]

If the cap is going to $170M in 2 years and we aren't trading Trent this off-season, he's likely going to be retained or S and T when he becomes a FA.

FVV isn't going anywhere, he's had management support and had a real good year before he got injured.

OG isn't going anywhere either unless they 1) absolutely love the player at 7 2) get a big package for him

The only guy out of our core group that would go first is Trent but that would need to happen this off-season

[Madhouse]

Id Trade Fred 10 times before i trade OG. GTJ 5 times.

OG for a big is such an over reaction to us losing to Embiid. If Every team had an Embiid, different story. Our defence will get better and stronger over time but our strength now is our unselfishness, toughness and defensive switchability. That doesn't get better by losing OG.

OG can easily play SG. Id even put GTJ at PG but 5'9 Fred aint the fit anymore.

100% agree. Both GTJ and FVV are going to opt out after next year. It would not be wise for this team to offer both guys the big dollars they will be asking for over the long-term. People are mentioning Gobert as an option, and if you package both guys to Utah for Gobert, the salaries match. I rather dangle both FVV or GTJ, before I look at moving OG in any trade offers.

Toronto is going to offer both guys long-term deals barring a major trade. No point keeping cap space, and GTJ under a long-term deal is still very movable.

This is very likely

IF

no trades are going to happen this offseason.


Now keeping GTJ would still be a gamble considering he will hit unrestricted free agency but that would certainly be the plan if he is not moved before the season.

VanVleet can be extended this offseason and that 114/4 offer is almost certainly going out soon.

But this we can't keep both isn't true.

[aroc23]

The question I would ask is if one of the core were to be traded, which of the core would you be willing to trade?

Siakam
Barnes
OG
Van Vleet
GTJr
Precious

Out of that group is OG really the first one you would trade?

This is assuming its not a case of another team specifically asking for OG (say for Ayton, for example)/

I would trade FVV and GTJ first without question, but it would have to bring back a shooter.

Next I would trade OG because of his injury history, but I am looking to get a lot of value back. It is not like he is recovering from a new surgery or has some long term reoccurring lower back issue (like MPJ, for example). He could easily end up a 70 game per season player putting up 18 and 6 with elite shooting and defense. He could even put up bigger raw numbers on a bad team (i.e. 22 / 7-8).

I would only trade Pascal if it was for a younger star or a really high draft pick in a strong draft.

Scottie and Precious I am probably not picking up the phone. Scottie is borderline untradeable for me unless it is a silly offer like Doncic or Jokic. Precious I do not trade because I highly doubt the league will value him properly as his raw numbers look pretty bad overall, and he has more value in the long boi system than anywhere else other than maybe Golden State. I guess I am way more likely to trade Precious if someone wants him as the centre piece of a trade for a star, or if someone is offering one of the top rookies from 2021, so what I really mean is living in reality he is probably untouchable in effect.

[WuTang_CMB]

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