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Tank World Order (10.0) The Empire Strikes Back

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How should the team move forward this season?

Go for ping pong balls to draft a star potential prospect adding to our core.
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Core is good already, make a push for the playoffs even if it’s the play-in.
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I don’t know currently, going to wait and see.
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Re: Tank World Order (10.0) The Empire Strikes Back 

Post#821 » by TorontoBarneys » Thu Jan 26, 2023 2:45 pm

Brinbe wrote:current situation reminds me of this mario party gif

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where in this situation bobby/masai are luigi and all the other players zigging/zagging are the pro-tankers/retoolers/league insiders/etc freaking out about things expecting change. we all know the cliche of 3 strikes, right? well, this management will give this core a billion strikes before they'll act. they're simply committed to it and believe in it regardless of what we think.

the only way they'd probably do something is if they blanked the entire WC trip and even then they'd be asking for the moon. but if they got any glimmers of hope like we saw last night, that's all it takes to convince them to stay-the-course. and they figure if they bottom out, they'll be getting a high lottery pick anyway. so it's a win-win in their eyes.

they gave demar/lowry/casey tons of rope as well until it was truly untenable and they lucked into kawhi thanks to a confluence of many factors.

i think they simply believe that long-term patience will be the smart play in the future, and their two-track build will be a success. I'd much rather they pick a lane, mostly the younger one. but the biggest reason for urgency is whether they're comfortable paying all that money to this core based on the sub-par record. and perhaps they are comfortable regardless of the results this season.


They are gonna ride this core out way past its expiration date. I know that now and I feel silly for thinking otherwise before. They (or MLSE or both) do not have the cojones to do a proper rebuild when needed. That's why terms like "championship hangover" even exist.

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Re: Tank World Order (10.0) The Empire Strikes Back 

Post#822 » by will » Thu Jan 26, 2023 3:25 pm

If they resign fvv, I am off of realgm.

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Post#823 » by Jcity08 » Thu Jan 26, 2023 3:31 pm

will wrote:If they resign fvv, I am off of realgm.

FRFR.

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Its going to be fun getting a midround pick qnd trading it for the next Thad Young, need all the vetern presence we can get to push this team into next years play-in.
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Post#824 » by DelAbbot » Thu Jan 26, 2023 3:43 pm

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Re: Tank World Order (10.0) The Empire Strikes Back 

Post#825 » by DelAbbot » Thu Jan 26, 2023 3:46 pm

Brinbe wrote:current situation reminds me of this mario party gif

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where in this situation bobby/masai are luigi and all the other players zigging/zagging are the pro-tankers/retoolers/league insiders/etc freaking out about things expecting change. we all know the cliche of 3 strikes, right? well, this management will give this core a billion strikes before they'll act. they're simply committed to it and believe in it regardless of what we think.

the only way they'd probably do something is if they blanked the entire WC trip and even then they'd be asking for the moon. but if they got any glimmers of hope like we saw last night, that's all it takes to convince them to stay-the-course. and they figure if they bottom out, they'll be getting a high lottery pick anyway. so it's a win-win in their eyes.

they gave demar/lowry/casey tons of rope as well until it was truly untenable and they lucked into kawhi thanks to a confluence of many factors.

i think they simply believe that long-term patience will be the smart play in the future, and their two-track build will be a success. I'd much rather they pick a lane, mostly the younger one. but the biggest reason for urgency is whether they're comfortable paying all that money to this core based on the sub-par record. and perhaps they are comfortable regardless of the results this season.

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Post#826 » by DelAbbot » Thu Jan 26, 2023 3:48 pm

will wrote:If they resign fvv, I am off of realgm.

FRFR.

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Re: Tank World Order (10.0) The Empire Strikes Back 

Post#827 » by God Squad » Thu Jan 26, 2023 4:01 pm

Brinbe wrote:current situation reminds me of this mario party gif

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where in this situation bobby/masai are luigi and all the other players zigging/zagging are the pro-tankers/retoolers/league insiders/etc freaking out about things expecting change. we all know the cliche of 3 strikes, right? well, this management will give this core a billion strikes before they'll act. they're simply committed to it and believe in it regardless of what we think.

the only way they'd probably do something is if they blanked the entire WC trip and even then they'd be asking for the moon. but if they got any glimmers of hope like we saw last night, that's all it takes to convince them to stay-the-course. and they figure if they bottom out, they'll be getting a high lottery pick anyway. so it's a win-win in their eyes.

they gave demar/lowry/casey tons of rope as well until it was truly untenable and they lucked into kawhi thanks to a confluence of many factors.

i think they simply believe that long-term patience will be the smart play in the future, and their two-track build will be a success. I'd much rather they pick a lane, mostly the younger one. but the biggest reason for urgency is whether they're comfortable paying all that money to this core based on the sub-par record. and perhaps they are comfortable regardless of the results this season.

See I was on board with this thinking and knew that it took time for BC/Masai to collect enough assets in order to compete. But IMO the timeline of Pascal/FVV doesn't align with the rest of the pieces we have currently. Frankly their just not good enough and they've already maximized their potential as leaders of this iteration.

Plus in order to truly succeed while being a "treadmill", we need/needed to do better drafting late IMO.

22 - Koloko = okay or good
21 - Banton/Johnson = fail
20 - Flynn/Jalen = fail
19 - Dewan = acceptable Fail

We haven't drafted a serviceable keeper in a while tbh other than Barnes and OG. Can't treadmill, while not drafting well and still expect positive results.
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Re: Tank World Order (10.0) The Empire Strikes Back 

Post#828 » by DelAbbot » Thu Jan 26, 2023 4:36 pm

God Squad wrote:
Brinbe wrote:current situation reminds me of this mario party gif

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where in this situation bobby/masai are luigi and all the other players zigging/zagging are the pro-tankers/retoolers/league insiders/etc freaking out about things expecting change. we all know the cliche of 3 strikes, right? well, this management will give this core a billion strikes before they'll act. they're simply committed to it and believe in it regardless of what we think.

the only way they'd probably do something is if they blanked the entire WC trip and even then they'd be asking for the moon. but if they got any glimmers of hope like we saw last night, that's all it takes to convince them to stay-the-course. and they figure if they bottom out, they'll be getting a high lottery pick anyway. so it's a win-win in their eyes.

they gave demar/lowry/casey tons of rope as well until it was truly untenable and they lucked into kawhi thanks to a confluence of many factors.

i think they simply believe that long-term patience will be the smart play in the future, and their two-track build will be a success. I'd much rather they pick a lane, mostly the younger one. but the biggest reason for urgency is whether they're comfortable paying all that money to this core based on the sub-par record. and perhaps they are comfortable regardless of the results this season.

See I was on board with this thinking and knew that it took time for BC/Masai to collect enough assets in order to compete. But IMO the timeline of Pascal/FVV doesn't align with the rest of the pieces we have currently. Frankly their just not good enough and they've already maximized their potential as leaders of this iteration.

Plus in order to truly succeed while being a "treadmill", we need/needed to do better drafting late IMO.

22 - Koloko = okay or good
21 - Banton/Johnson = fail
20 - Flynn/Jalen = fail
19 - Dewan = acceptable Fail

We haven't drafted a serviceable keeper in a while tbh other than Barnes and OG. Can't treadmill, while not drafting well and still expect positive results.

Imagine if we treadmilled in Tampa and missed out on Scottie.

This compete while rebuilding is failing.
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Re: Tank World Order (10.0) The Empire Strikes Back 

Post#829 » by God Squad » Thu Jan 26, 2023 4:45 pm

DelAbbot wrote:
God Squad wrote:
Brinbe wrote:current situation reminds me of this mario party gif

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where in this situation bobby/masai are luigi and all the other players zigging/zagging are the pro-tankers/retoolers/league insiders/etc freaking out about things expecting change. we all know the cliche of 3 strikes, right? well, this management will give this core a billion strikes before they'll act. they're simply committed to it and believe in it regardless of what we think.

the only way they'd probably do something is if they blanked the entire WC trip and even then they'd be asking for the moon. but if they got any glimmers of hope like we saw last night, that's all it takes to convince them to stay-the-course. and they figure if they bottom out, they'll be getting a high lottery pick anyway. so it's a win-win in their eyes.

they gave demar/lowry/casey tons of rope as well until it was truly untenable and they lucked into kawhi thanks to a confluence of many factors.

i think they simply believe that long-term patience will be the smart play in the future, and their two-track build will be a success. I'd much rather they pick a lane, mostly the younger one. but the biggest reason for urgency is whether they're comfortable paying all that money to this core based on the sub-par record. and perhaps they are comfortable regardless of the results this season.

See I was on board with this thinking and knew that it took time for BC/Masai to collect enough assets in order to compete. But IMO the timeline of Pascal/FVV doesn't align with the rest of the pieces we have currently. Frankly their just not good enough and they've already maximized their potential as leaders of this iteration.

Plus in order to truly succeed while being a "treadmill", we need/needed to do better drafting late IMO.

22 - Koloko = okay or good
21 - Banton/Johnson = fail
20 - Flynn/Jalen = fail
19 - Dewan = acceptable Fail

We haven't drafted a serviceable keeper in a while tbh other than Barnes and OG. Can't treadmill, while not drafting well and still expect positive results.

Imagine if we treadmilled in Tampa and missed out on Scottie.

This compete while rebuilding is failing.

Honestly it's failing, but it'd look a lot better had Masai/Bobby did better drafting. Particularly in 20' 21' and NOT trading back in 22'. It would have filled out our bench, while giving depth. and maybe finding diamond in the rough (starter). That alone would make the compete/rebuild results look better. Anyways the results are clear and it's not looking good.

2020 Missing on the Flynn pick was rough for the roster IMO.
2021 - Banton has promise still. But I wouldn't have drafted David Johnson, period.
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Re: Tank World Order (10.0) The Empire Strikes Back 

Post#830 » by ItsDanger » Thu Jan 26, 2023 4:52 pm

Management lucked into 4th pick, imagine this roster without Scottie. The homegrown talent has morphed into expensive treadmill roster. The sooner they realize it, the quicker they can move forward and change direction. Posters getting excited over Achiuwa can't see that he's likely a matchup rotation guy. Useful, but we need more talent. Given our roster, let's say we get 3rd to 5th pick in draft where most desirable players are 3s and 4s. What do you do then? Somebody's got to go. Let alone the small shooting guard.
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Re: Tank World Order (10.0) The Empire Strikes Back 

Post#831 » by Son Goku 25 » Thu Jan 26, 2023 5:30 pm

ItsDanger wrote:Management lucked into 4th pick, imagine this roster without Scottie. The homegrown talent has morphed into expensive treadmill roster. The sooner they realize it, the quicker they can move forward and change direction. Posters getting excited over Achiuwa can't see that he's likely a matchup rotation guy. Useful, but we need more talent. Given our roster, let's say we get 3rd to 5th pick in draft where most desirable players are 3s and 4s. What do you do then? Somebody's got to go. Let alone the small shooting guard.


Lucked into picking Barnes over guys the players that were consensus picks for top 4?? Lmaooo come on bruh

This thing wasn't meant to be turned around in a year.
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Post#832 » by ItsDanger » Thu Jan 26, 2023 5:34 pm

Son Goku 25 wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:Management lucked into 4th pick, imagine this roster without Scottie. The homegrown talent has morphed into expensive treadmill roster. The sooner they realize it, the quicker they can move forward and change direction. Posters getting excited over Achiuwa can't see that he's likely a matchup rotation guy. Useful, but we need more talent. Given our roster, let's say we get 3rd to 5th pick in draft where most desirable players are 3s and 4s. What do you do then? Somebody's got to go. Let alone the small shooting guard.


Lucked into picking Barnes over guys the players that were consensus picks for top 4?? Lmaooo come on bruh

This thing wasn't meant to be turned around in a year.

I'm referring to the lottery odds when we finished 7th last. By chance we got the 4th pick and were in the driver's seat which is the ideal place to be. Not the actual selection of Scottie. I wonder who we would have picked at 7th.
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Post#833 » by Jcity08 » Thu Jan 26, 2023 5:35 pm

Son Goku 25 wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:Management lucked into 4th pick, imagine this roster without Scottie. The homegrown talent has morphed into expensive treadmill roster. The sooner they realize it, the quicker they can move forward and change direction. Posters getting excited over Achiuwa can't see that he's likely a matchup rotation guy. Useful, but we need more talent. Given our roster, let's say we get 3rd to 5th pick in draft where most desirable players are 3s and 4s. What do you do then? Somebody's got to go. Let alone the small shooting guard.


Lucked into picking Barnes over guys the players that were consensus picks for top 4?? Lmaooo come on bruh

This thing wasn't meant to be turned around in a year.


Lucked into the 4th pick, we could have easily moved back due to the lottery or if we won a few more games to be firmly in the play-in.

They are good at drafting when they get the pick they like, dont think anyone disputes that.
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Post#834 » by Psubs » Thu Jan 26, 2023 5:41 pm

Jcity08 wrote:
Son Goku 25 wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:Management lucked into 4th pick, imagine this roster without Scottie. The homegrown talent has morphed into expensive treadmill roster. The sooner they realize it, the quicker they can move forward and change direction. Posters getting excited over Achiuwa can't see that he's likely a matchup rotation guy. Useful, but we need more talent. Given our roster, let's say we get 3rd to 5th pick in draft where most desirable players are 3s and 4s. What do you do then? Somebody's got to go. Let alone the small shooting guard.


Lucked into picking Barnes over guys the players that were consensus picks for top 4?? Lmaooo come on bruh

This thing wasn't meant to be turned around in a year.


Lucked into the 4th pick, we could have easily moved back due to the lottery or if we won a few more games to be firmly in the play-in.

They are good at drafting when they get the pick they like, dont think anyone disputes that.


They Raptors went to scout Josh Giddey and also Franz Wagner would've been a nice selection. Raptors were 7th, so if move back 1 pick, could've had Franz Wagner.
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Post#835 » by Jcity08 » Thu Jan 26, 2023 5:57 pm

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Lucked into picking Barnes over guys the players that were consensus picks for top 4?? Lmaooo come on bruh

This thing wasn't meant to be turned around in a year.


Lucked into the 4th pick, we could have easily moved back due to the lottery or if we won a few more games to be firmly in the play-in.

They are good at drafting when they get the pick they like, dont think anyone disputes that.


They Raptors went to scout Josh Giddey and also Franz Wagner would've been a nice selection. Raptors were 7th, so if move back 1 pick, could've had Franz Wagner.


And if we went on a mini run before the FO pivoted towards the draft, we could have easily found ourselves outside the lottery. A lot of luck was involved in the lead up to our selection of Barnes.

In an alternate timeline we might be talking about our sophmore Usman Garuba.
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Re: Tank World Order (10.0) The Empire Strikes Back 

Post#836 » by Zeno » Thu Jan 26, 2023 6:32 pm

ItsDanger wrote:
Son Goku 25 wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:Management lucked into 4th pick, imagine this roster without Scottie. The homegrown talent has morphed into expensive treadmill roster. The sooner they realize it, the quicker they can move forward and change direction. Posters getting excited over Achiuwa can't see that he's likely a matchup rotation guy. Useful, but we need more talent. Given our roster, let's say we get 3rd to 5th pick in draft where most desirable players are 3s and 4s. What do you do then? Somebody's got to go. Let alone the small shooting guard.


Lucked into picking Barnes over guys the players that were consensus picks for top 4?? Lmaooo come on bruh

This thing wasn't meant to be turned around in a year.

I'm referring to the lottery odds when we finished 7th last. By chance we got the 4th pick and were in the driver's seat which is the ideal place to be. Not the actual selection of Scottie. I wonder who we would have picked at 7th.

maybe lucked into not dropping because that was possible too but they were picking one of Giddy, Barnes, Franz or Kuminga at 7 depending on who was available. Kuminga so far has been the worst of them but I think he'd be better on the Raps than Warriors since we approve of stand around and hold the ball guys. Given the character reports on Kuminga predraft though, I think we'd be choosing from whomever was left of Giddy, Franz and Barnes. Not really a loser there.
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Post#837 » by wegotthabeet » Thu Jan 26, 2023 6:42 pm

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Plus in order to truly succeed while being a "treadmill", we need/needed to do better drafting late IMO.

22 - Koloko = okay or good
21 - Banton/Johnson = fail
20 - Flynn/Jalen = fail
19 - Dewan = acceptable Fail

We haven't drafted a serviceable keeper in a while tbh other than Barnes and OG. Can't treadmill, while not drafting well and still expect positive results.


out of the guys you listed the highest pick was 29th. you can't realistically expect to hit on late 1st rounders + 2nd rounders consistently. some of you guys got spoiled when we drafted Pascal. it is not the norm to draft all-nba caliber players late in drafts like that.
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Post#838 » by God Squad » Thu Jan 26, 2023 6:50 pm

wegotthabeet wrote:
God Squad wrote:
Plus in order to truly succeed while being a "treadmill", we need/needed to do better drafting late IMO.

22 - Koloko = okay or good
21 - Banton/Johnson = fail
20 - Flynn/Jalen = fail
19 - Dewan = acceptable Fail

We haven't drafted a serviceable keeper in a while tbh other than Barnes and OG. Can't treadmill, while not drafting well and still expect positive results.


out of the guys you listed the highest pick was 29th. you can't realistically expect to hit on late 1st rounders + 2nd rounders consistently. some of you guys got spoiled when we drafted Pascal. it is not the norm to draft all-nba caliber players late in drafts like that.

Consistently? Hitting on at least ONE of them would have helped, even if bench production. I never once said they had to be allstars, stop projecting to create an argument for yourself. Highest pick being 29th? We traded the 20th pick for the 33th pick, so that's also on the front office.

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Post#839 » by wegotthabeet » Thu Jan 26, 2023 7:02 pm

God Squad wrote:
wegotthabeet wrote:
God Squad wrote:
Plus in order to truly succeed while being a "treadmill", we need/needed to do better drafting late IMO.

22 - Koloko = okay or good
21 - Banton/Johnson = fail
20 - Flynn/Jalen = fail
19 - Dewan = acceptable Fail

We haven't drafted a serviceable keeper in a while tbh other than Barnes and OG. Can't treadmill, while not drafting well and still expect positive results.


out of the guys you listed the highest pick was 29th. you can't realistically expect to hit on late 1st rounders + 2nd rounders consistently. some of you guys got spoiled when we drafted Pascal. it is not the norm to draft all-nba caliber players late in drafts like that.

Consistently? Hitting on at least ONE of them would have helped, even if bench production. I never once said they had to be allstars, stop projecting to create an argument for yourself. Highest pick being 29th? We traded the 20th pick for the 33th pick, so that's also on the front office.

These are results. It is what it is.


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Post#840 » by DelAbbot » Thu Jan 26, 2023 7:13 pm

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God Squad wrote:
Plus in order to truly succeed while being a "treadmill", we need/needed to do better drafting late IMO.

22 - Koloko = okay or good
21 - Banton/Johnson = fail
20 - Flynn/Jalen = fail
19 - Dewan = acceptable Fail

We haven't drafted a serviceable keeper in a while tbh other than Barnes and OG. Can't treadmill, while not drafting well and still expect positive results.


out of the guys you listed the highest pick was 29th. you can't realistically expect to hit on late 1st rounders + 2nd rounders consistently. some of you guys got spoiled when we drafted Pascal. it is not the norm to draft all-nba caliber players late in drafts like that.

Right, we have had low picks and thus cannot expect high probability of hitting on good players.

The only good hit we have had is Scottie Barnes, and we had the ability to select him because we had a high draft pick - which came from a losing Tampa season.

The current roster needs more talent. So combining the above two points the conclusion is: we need to lose this season to get a high draft pick 2023.

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