Trade Pascal to Portland/Warriors?

[tacosman]

there are 30 nba franchises, and only one of them is talking up this pascal(or OG) for #3/scoot nonsense. The other 29, especially including portland, aren't interested or talking about such a thing.

Portland may trade the 3(even if its after the draft), but whether or not they trade it likely depends on if an actual difference making star comes up on the market. I don't see them trading it for guys who really don't move the needle that much. And honestly that's how people view OG and even siakem. Very nice players but not needle movers. Because if they were.....well, what was you guys record again?

Dude...you are on TORONTO RAPTORS board...not the General board. What were you expecting?

Why are you even here if you don't like to hear about Raptors fans peddling Raptors trade ideas?

I wasnt so much saying you shouldn't discuss Raptors trade ideas.......rather they should be a little more realistic. The #3 pick in this draft has a lot of value since there is a top 1 and then two players beneath that......An expiring like OG(or even Pascal....stats aside he's just not considered a real needle mover.....in this day lots of guys have good slash lines) just isn't going to bring that. Yes I'm sure the blazers are open to trading 3.....but they aren't going to do so unless something really good comes open.

But speaking to the realistic part, it was the same thing with the durant threads. Raptors fans kept telling us(meaning nets fans) that we were going to happily take Gary freaking trent jr and FVV(or maybe OG and Trent or OG and FVV; some variation of that poo poo platter) for Durant. There was no way in hell the nets were going to consider that. It's the same thing here with the blazers.....the blazers may be open to moving Simons for a year of OG or Pascal depending on a lot of factors. I don't really know, but I know they aren't going to move the 3 in this draft for such....

[tacosman]

there are 30 nba franchises, and only one of them is talking up this pascal(or OG) for #3/scoot nonsense. The other 29, especially including portland, aren't interested or talking about such a thing.

Portland may trade the 3(even if its after the draft), but whether or not they trade it likely depends on if an actual difference making star comes up on the market. I don't see them trading it for guys who really don't move the needle that much. And honestly that's how people view OG and even siakem. Very nice players but not needle movers. Because if they were.....well, what was you guys record again?

You know Siakam already won a championship playing Robin to Batman (Kawhi)? He's an even better player now than he was 4 years ago. Your opinion, quite frankly, is ignorant.

You put Siakam back as the second option to a guy like Lillard or Curry and that is a major needle mover. One would be a fool to think otherwise.

So if he's such a great player that is such a different maker.....keep him and sign him to a 50 million dollar deal. But no....you guys don't want to do that, and there is a *reason* you aren't going to do that. You think other teams can't figure that out?

The market is speaking here. That's why pascal and OG are still on the team. They are nice players, but no team is going to give you assets as valuable as the #3 overall pick in this draft for them.

[tacosman]

And yet Zack Lowe disagrees with you. Maybe don't pretend to know everything.

"Lowe doubts No. 3 and Anfernee Simons would be enough for the Blazers to acquire either Mikal Bridges or OG Anuonby."

-JONATHAN GIVONY/ESPN

No, I don't think he does- he's just commenting that he thinks Masai wouldn't do that. It doesn't mean that the blazers would. It doesn't mean that the blazers would even trade 3 alone for OG. It just means toronto may have a very unrealistic view of OG's value, which makes sense as thats probably why he is still on the raptors roster now.

And Mikal Bridges too, apparently. Just skip over that one?

Bridges is held in higher esteem/value around the league than OG. Their value in trade perception is really not close. It's cute how Raptor fans want to lump the two together. Bridges and OG have nothing to do with each other and the value of one has nothing to do with the other.

[Fairview4Life]

You have no actual idea who values what player at what price. The "market" is not speaking at all to you about anything. All we currently have are reports that the pick is for sale because the Blazers want to get Lillard some help, and then that 3 and Simons are possibly not enough for OG or Mikal Bridges. Statements made by national connected reporters, not Raptors or Nets fans.

There are lots of reasons for fans the Raps to want to trade Siakam (or OG), and the Nets to trade Bridges that have nothing to do with how good they would be in Portland next to Lillard.

[Fairview4Life]

No, I don't think he does- he's just commenting that he thinks Masai wouldn't do that. It doesn't mean that the blazers would. It doesn't mean that the blazers would even trade 3 alone for OG. It just means toronto may have a very unrealistic view of OG's value, which makes sense as thats probably why he is still on the raptors roster now.

And Mikal Bridges too, apparently. Just skip over that one?

Bridges is held in higher esteem/value around the league than OG. Their value in trade perception is really not close. It's cute how Raptor fans want to lump the two together. Bridges and OG have nothing to do with each other and the value of one has nothing to do with the other.

Huh? Zach Lowe "lumped them together". It's cute how you just keep saying **** confidently to pretend it's true. "The league values this player over that one, Raptors fans overrate their players, not like us smart Nets fans, trust me bro", isn't as convincing as you think lol.

[OakleyDokely]

Nets are going really far with Bridges as the #1 guy, a true difference maker.

[Fairview4Life]

Nets are going really far with Bridges as the #1 guy, a true difference maker.

His value is really not close to OG lol.

[ArthurVandelay]

there are 30 nba franchises, and only one of them is talking up this pascal(or OG) for #3/scoot nonsense. The other 29, especially including portland, aren't interested or talking about such a thing.

Portland may trade the 3(even if its after the draft), but whether or not they trade it likely depends on if an actual difference making star comes up on the market. I don't see them trading it for guys who really don't move the needle that much. And honestly that's how people view OG and even siakem. Very nice players but not needle movers. Because if they were.....well, what was you guys record again?

You know Siakam already won a championship playing Robin to Batman (Kawhi)? He's an even better player now than he was 4 years ago. Your opinion, quite frankly, is ignorant.

You put Siakam back as the second option to a guy like Lillard or Curry and that is a major needle mover. One would be a fool to think otherwise.

So if he's such a great player that is such a different maker.....keep him and sign him to a 50 million dollar deal. But no....you guys don't want to do that, and there is a *reason* you aren't going to do that. You think other teams can't figure that out?

The market is speaking here. That's why pascal and OG are still on the team. They are nice players, but no team is going to give you assets as valuable as the #3 overall pick in this draft for them.

Who is arguing that Pascal is a legit number one option? He isn’t and that is the problem for the Raptors. But for teams with legit #1 scorers, like Portland like GSW, he is exactly what they need.

There is a less than 33% chance a top 5 pick becomes anything near as good as Siakam and for most it will take a few seasons to get there. Lillard doesn’t have a few seasons to wait around.

[OakleyDokely]

I love how it was national NBA commentary Zach Lowe who happened to mention Bridges/OG in the same breath, yet it's Raps fans who are the delusional ones.

If you have a problem, take it up with Zach.

[ArthurVandelay]

I love how it was national NBA commentary Zach Lowe who happened to mention Bridges/OG in the same breath, yet it's Raps fans who are the delusional ones.

If you have a problem, take it up with Zach.

Bridges is a better player imo.

What really tilts scales in Bridges favour though is the contract. 3 more years at about $20m. That is a steal.

[OakleyDokely]

I love how it was national NBA commentary Zach Lowe who happened to mention Bridges/OG in the same breath, yet it's Raps fans who are the delusional ones.

If you have a problem, take it up with Zach.

Bridges is a better player imo.

What really tilts scales in Bridges favour though is the contract. 3 more years at about $20m. That is a steal.

Probably true, but he isn't a #1 option and he wouldn't be a "difference maker" for Portland as defined by our favorite Nets fan.

[ArthurVandelay]

I love how it was national NBA commentary Zach Lowe who happened to mention Bridges/OG in the same breath, yet it's Raps fans who are the delusional ones.

If you have a problem, take it up with Zach.

Bridges is a better player imo.

What really tilts scales in Bridges favour though is the contract. 3 more years at about $20m. That is a steal.

Probably true, but he isn't a #1 option and he wouldn't be a "difference maker" for Portland as defined by our favorite Nets fan.

Not sure he’d move the needle either. Lol

[Dude-niagara]

....who hit the game winning shot over Draymond to win the title.

Basically the hole Warriors team was focused on stopping Leonard on that play , and if it were not for Leonard we don't even get past Philly , you know the series where Siakam did nothing after game one or the Bucks where Siakam choked at the line in OT in game 3 and was average that whole series. Siakam was not even the clear #2 option during our title run, it was Leonard and then a different guy every night stepping up as the #2 option. Outside of the series against the Magic there was no clear #2 option, one night is was Siakam another night Fred another night Lowry another night Serge

Then you need to look at what has the team done since Leonard left town? nothing because Siakam has no business in a top option role and his stats are just empty stats. Good player but not taking your team anywhere unless you have him in a 2A OR 2B role

I don't think anyone here is arguing that Pascal is a top offensive option. The consensus is that he is a legit second or third option...and guess what a team like Portland needs? A capable second option to play with Dame. Doesn't hurt that Pacal can play make for teammates, rebound and defend.

Pascal is probably the best all-round player that Dame will have ever played with. LaMarcus Aldridge was good but he was never the defender and playmaker Pascal is and CJ while being a better scorer lacks in almost every other facet compared to Paacal. Jerami Grant comes close but he still ain't him.

Adding Pascal and resigning Jerami Grant gives the Blazers 2 very good defensive wings that can guard 5 positions.

If the Blazers would expand a trade to include also Shaedon Sharpe and expand a trade to include OG...imagine a line-up of:

Dame
OG
Grant
Siakam
free agent center like Christian Wood/Vuc/Mason Plumlee/Dwight Powell/etc.

That is a menacing wing combination with OG, Siakam and Grant guarding the opponents' best offensive players...and all these guys score some as well.

The main issue with the Blazer in the last 7 years was lack of shooting and defence. While not knock-down 3 point shooters...OG, Pascal and Jerami Grant can all make a 3 at a decent clip but they won't kill you on D.

Great post, yes Siakam to the Blazers makes sense for both teams.

[OakleyDokely]

Bridges is a better player imo.

What really tilts scales in Bridges favour though is the contract. 3 more years at about $20m. That is a steal.

Probably true, but he isn't a #1 option and he wouldn't be a "difference maker" for Portland as defined by our favorite Nets fan.

Not sure he’d move the needle either. Lol

He'd help. I think if Portland added any of these guys they could complete for homecourt. It doesn't take much to get there currently (the 4th seed won 45 games). But short of adding a top 10-15 player, I don't see how Portland instantly becomes one of the top contenders for the title.

[Dude-niagara]

....who hit the game winning shot over Draymond to win the title.

Basically the hole Warriors team was focused on stopping Leonard on that play , and if it were not for Leonard we don't even get past Philly , you know the series where Siakam did nothing after game one or the Bucks where Siakam choked at the line in OT in game 3 and was average that whole series. Siakam was not even the clear #2 option during our title run, it was Leonard and then a different guy every night stepping up as the #2 option. Outside of the series against the Magic there was no clear #2 option, one night is was Siakam another night Fred another night Lowry another night Serge

Then you need to look at what has the team done since Leonard left town? nothing because Siakam has no business in a top option role and his stats are just empty stats. Good player but not taking your team anywhere unless you have him in a 2A OR 2B role

I don't think anyone here is arguing that Pascal is a top offensive option. The consensus is that he is a legit second or third option...and guess what a team like Portland needs? A capable second option to play with Dame. Doesn't hurt that Pacal can play make for teammates, rebound and defend.

Pascal is probably the best all-round player that Dame will have ever played with. LaMarcus Aldridge was good but he was never the defender and playmaker Pascal is and CJ while being a better scorer lacks in almost every other facet compared to Paacal. Jerami Grant comes close but he still ain't him.

Adding Pascal and resigning Jerami Grant gives the Blazers 2 very good defensive wings that can guard 5 positions.

If the Blazers would expand a trade to include also Shaedon Sharpe and expand a trade to include OG...imagine a line-up of:

Dame
OG
Grant
Siakam
free agent center like Christian Wood/Vuc/Mason Plumlee/Dwight Powell/etc.

That is a menacing wing combination with OG, Siakam and Grant guarding the opponents' best offensive players...and all these guys score some as well.

The main issue with the Blazer in the last 7 years was lack of shooting and defence. While not knock-down 3 point shooters...OG, Pascal and Jerami Grant can all make a 3 at a decent clip but they won't kill you on D.

Yup, I don't wish to give up OG unless they are giving us both picks this year, Sharpe/Simmons and at least 1 more firsts later on

[ArthurVandelay]

Probably true, but he isn't a #1 option and he wouldn't be a "difference maker" for Portland as defined by our favorite Nets fan.

Not sure he’d move the needle either. Lol

He'd help. I think if Portland added any of these guys they could complete for homecourt. It doesn't take much to get there currently (the 4th seed won 45 games). But short of adding a top 10-15 player, I don't see how Portland instantly becomes one of the top contenders.

For sure. I just poking fun at that Nets fan. All these undefinable and meaningless terms.

The Blazers are more than one player away from competing for championships. I think Siakam gets them there faster than anyone realistically available, but no doubt his addition wouldn’t be done in isolation.

[OakleyDokely]

Not sure he’d move the needle either. Lol

He'd help. I think if Portland added any of these guys they could complete for homecourt. It doesn't take much to get there currently (the 4th seed won 45 games). But short of adding a top 10-15 player, I don't see how Portland instantly becomes one of the top contenders.

For sure. I just poking fun at that Nets fan. All these undefinable and meaningless terms.

The Blazers are more than one player away from competing for championships. I think Siakam gets them there faster than anyone realistically available, but no doubt his addition wouldn’t be done in isolation.

I mean, BRK just got swept with Bridges as their #1. Bridges is a good player, but if he's your #1, you have about as much chance to win a title as this current Raptors team.

I said from the beginning I think Portland will keep the pick because it's very uncommon for teams to trade top picks outright. I'm not expecting the Raptors or anyone other than Portland to be picking 3rd.

[The Duke]

You have no actual idea who values what player at what price. The "market" is not speaking at all to you about anything. All we currently have are reports that the pick is for sale because the Blazers want to get Lillard some help, and then that 3 and Simons are possibly not enough for OG or Mikal Bridges. Statements made by national connected reporters, not Raptors or Nets fans.

There are lots of reasons for fans the Raps to want to trade Siakam (or OG), and the Nets to trade Bridges that have nothing to do with how good they would be in Portland next to Lillard.

There was a ‘correction tweet’ yesterday that said the Zach Lowe information was taken out of context, and that it was the OG side of the equation that was not enough for the #3/Simons side.

Take it for what is worth.

[Tha Cynic]

....who hit the game winning shot over Draymond to win the title.

Basically the hole Warriors team was focused on stopping Leonard on that play , and if it were not for Leonard we don't even get past Philly , you know the series where Siakam did nothing after game one or the Bucks where Siakam choked at the line in OT in game 3 and was average that whole series. Siakam was not even the clear #2 option during our title run, it was Leonard and then a different guy every night stepping up as the #2 option. Outside of the series against the Magic there was no clear #2 option, one night is was Siakam another night Fred another night Lowry another night Serge

Then you need to look at what has the team done since Leonard left town? nothing because Siakam has no business in a top option role and his stats are just empty stats. Good player but not taking your team anywhere unless you have him in a 2A OR 2B role

I don't think anyone here is arguing that Pascal is a top offensive option. The consensus is that he is a legit second or third option...and guess what a team like Portland needs? A capable second option to play with Dame. Doesn't hurt that Pacal can play make for teammates, rebound and defend.

Pascal is probably the best all-round player that Dame will have ever played with. LaMarcus Aldridge was good but he was never the defender and playmaker Pascal is and CJ while being a better scorer lacks in almost every other facet compared to Paacal. Jerami Grant comes close but he still ain't him.

Adding Pascal and resigning Jerami Grant gives the Blazers 2 very good defensive wings that can guard 5 positions.

If the Blazers would expand a trade to include also Shaedon Sharpe and expand a trade to include OG...imagine a line-up of:

Dame
OG
Grant
Siakam
free agent center like Christian Wood/Vuc/Mason Plumlee/Dwight Powell/etc.

That is a menacing wing combination with OG, Siakam and Grant guarding the opponents' best offensive players...and all these guys score some as well.

The main issue with the Blazer in the last 7 years was lack of shooting and defence. While not knock-down 3 point shooters...OG, Pascal and Jerami Grant can all make a 3 at a decent clip but they won't kill you on D.

I played around with the salaries on Portland and Toronto a lot during the trade deadline with Siakam and OG going the other way (I do think OG and Siakam is way higher than the #3, Sharpe and Simons, but that upcoming salary increase for both players and Siakam's age kind of knock their value down a bit). I'm not sure if we can make the salaries work anymore, but they have some decent assets for sure. It's essentially the team we wanted to build here but didn't have the assets to acquire Dame.

[Fairview4Life]

You have no actual idea who values what player at what price. The "market" is not speaking at all to you about anything. All we currently have are reports that the pick is for sale because the Blazers want to get Lillard some help, and then that 3 and Simons are possibly not enough for OG or Mikal Bridges. Statements made by national connected reporters, not Raptors or Nets fans.

There are lots of reasons for fans the Raps to want to trade Siakam (or OG), and the Nets to trade Bridges that have nothing to do with how good they would be in Portland next to Lillard.

There was a ‘correction tweet’ yesterday that said the Zach Lowe information was taken out of context, and that it was the OG side of the equation that was not enough for the #3/Simons side.

Take it for what is worth.

Actually listening to it, he is saying neither OG or Bridges for 3 & Simons gets the Blazers to the finals. Which...sure.