With the 57th pick, the Raptors select Ulrich Chomche

[ForeverTFC]

Masai and co still have PTSD about how they went about doing this with Caboclo. They will not rush this.

Where exactly did they go wrong with Bruno?

They think they screwed up his development by bringing him to the team too early. This was one of the reasons they went out to get a G-League team.

Posting in case you haven’t read the below. One of the best Raptors writing of all time and will give you an indication of where their head is at with Chomche: https://www.theringer.com/2024/06/27/nba/bruno-caboclo-nba-draft-toronto-raptors-two-years-away

[ConSarnit]

Welcome to the world of bootcamps. I work in the QM field and to be honest you don't need a really strong calculus background, there are parts of calc that are completely unrelated. I would honestly say that most of the educated Canadian population is capable of learning most professions on the job.

Chomche has baseline skills, he can defend his position, play help defense, and he can rebound. If he can't score or shoot it's a problem but he won't be leaking points like Barrett and Dick do (rank top 10 in worst defenders in the NBA).

If we're playing GD we can play Chomche.

Come on man. Dick has legit NBA skills.

Chomche right now is a future possibility. But he certainly doesn't belong anywhere near an NBA floor and without two-ways, he would be a classic G-League guy who gets a 10-day maybe towards April.

If Chomche was an NBA level defender he would have seen minutes. There is really nothing to suggest thus far he is.

Let him just grow, and towards the end of the year he will get his minutes. LIkely another year of G-League next year too.

https://craftednba.com/player-traits/replacement

Set the filter for minimum 200 minutes played and then hit Ctrl + F and enter "TOR |"

We have 5 players in the top 50 ranking for worst players in the league bro. It's headlined by Shead (#2) and Gradey (#21).

Other notables are Battle (#28), Mitchell (#35), and Barrett (#47).

The young guys are okay, maybe they'll pull themselves out of there but RJ and Davion are vets. We can't develop garbage into valuable assets.

You're basically arguing that we should compromise everyone else's development just to get Chomche minutes. He has potential but any time we've seen him in an NBA game he has been completely lost. If you throw him out there he's going to screw up the rest of our developing guys by being in the wrong places and generally not knowing what to do whatsoever. I have no idea what you have been watching if you think he can defend at the NBA level.

Even if you think guys like Dick and Shead are negative NBA players they are not actively putting themselves in positions that compromise the entire team like Chomche is when he's on the floor. I'm not trying to rag on Chomche but there is a point where inexperience hurts the entire team. That's currently where Chomche is.

[PushDaRock]

He's ahead of where I thought he would be. I wasn't sure if he was even a G League level player at the beginning of the year but he definitely is now.

[Tripod]

He is improving....and will improve even more in the 905 next year after having another offseason to train.

Absolutely no reason to rush him.

[Vampirate]

He is improving....and will improve even more in the 905 next year after having another offseason to train.

Absolutely no reason to rush him.

He really needs to work on his FTs, but assuming he works out it's possible we have our stretch 5 in the future, though admittedly that's looking too far ahead.

[YogurtProducer]

Welcome to the world of bootcamps. I work in the QM field and to be honest you don't need a really strong calculus background, there are parts of calc that are completely unrelated. I would honestly say that most of the educated Canadian population is capable of learning most professions on the job.

Chomche has baseline skills, he can defend his position, play help defense, and he can rebound. If he can't score or shoot it's a problem but he won't be leaking points like Barrett and Dick do (rank top 10 in worst defenders in the NBA).

If we're playing GD we can play Chomche.

Come on man. Dick has legit NBA skills.

Chomche right now is a future possibility. But he certainly doesn't belong anywhere near an NBA floor and without two-ways, he would be a classic G-League guy who gets a 10-day maybe towards April.

If Chomche was an NBA level defender he would have seen minutes. There is really nothing to suggest thus far he is.

Let him just grow, and towards the end of the year he will get his minutes. LIkely another year of G-League next year too.

https://craftednba.com/player-traits/replacement

Set the filter for minimum 200 minutes played and then hit Ctrl + F and enter "TOR |"

We have 5 players in the top 50 ranking for worst players in the league bro. It's headlined by Shead (#2) and Gradey (#21).

Other notables are Battle (#28), Mitchell (#35), and Barrett (#47).

The young guys are okay, maybe they'll pull themselves out of there but RJ and Davion are vets. We can't develop garbage into valuable assets.

This also says Boucher is our best player. I think I will take it with a grain of salt.

Besides, a bad argument is "We suck! Lets play worse players!"

[Scase]

14 pts / 13 REB / 6 BLK / 3 PF in the last 905 game and just a reminder the kid is younger than most college freshman this year.

Nice to have him stored in the background and I'm excited to see what kind of impact he can have for the main squad once he's 21/22

it feels like he most likely be a serge ibaka type player

I'd like to see him in the NBA for a reasonable time frame, G league doesn't exactly always translate. No harm in bringing him in for a few games during those tank vs tank games against WAS etc. Would give us something interesting to watch as well.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Masai and co still have PTSD about how they went about doing this with Caboclo. They will not rush this.

Where exactly did they go wrong with Bruno?

They think they screwed up his development by bringing him to the team too early. This was one of the reasons they went out to get a G-League team.

Posting in case you haven’t read the below. One of the best Raptors writing of all time and will give you an indication of where their head is at with Chomche: https://www.theringer.com/2024/06/27/nba/bruno-caboclo-nba-draft-toronto-raptors-two-years-away

It is a great article. It doesn't even go into Masai picking Bebe to mentor Bruno, and how immature Bebe was. And also that Casey wouldn't even let Bruno (or Bebe) practice with the team. They had to play pick up with James Johnson (also a questionable mentor ). In hindsight it reads like a 'how not to' wiki on player development.

Now with Chomche, it's actually against the Raptors' best interest to play him at the pro level because then they'd have to guarantee his deal and they'd lose flexibility. They knew he was way behind a normal drafted prospect on a development curve and I would hope will be more responsible with his basketball career than they were with Bruno. Traded for Malachi Richardson. I still remember Bobby Webster trying to justify the trade by hyping up Richardson.

[manjusaka]

Where exactly did they go wrong with Bruno?

They think they screwed up his development by bringing him to the team too early. This was one of the reasons they went out to get a G-League team.

Posting in case you haven’t read the below. One of the best Raptors writing of all time and will give you an indication of where their head is at with Chomche: https://www.theringer.com/2024/06/27/nba/bruno-caboclo-nba-draft-toronto-raptors-two-years-away

It is a great article. It doesn't even go into Masai picking Bebe to mentor Bruno, and how immature Bebe was. And also that Casey wouldn't even let Bruno (or Bebe) practice with the team. They had to play pick up with James Johnson (also a questionable mentor ). In hindsight it reads like a 'how not to' wiki on player development.

Now with Chomche, it's actually against the Raptors' best interest to play him at the pro level because then they'd have to guarantee his deal and they'd lose flexibility. They knew he was way behind a normal drafted prospect on a development curve and I would hope will be more responsible with his basketball career than they were with Bruno. Traded for Malachi Richardson. I still remember Bobby Webster trying to justify the trade by hyping up Richardson.

He was a farmer kid in Africa, who started to play basketball very late. His exposure to the game is limited compared to any kids interested in basketball in North America.

His understanding of the game, and fundamentals needs a lot of work.

Siakam and Koloko had 3-4 years of college experience. Similar to Bruno, Chomche is probably 4 years away from being ready for the NBA.

[LoveMyRaps]

In 8 games, he's putting up 8ppg, 9rpg, 3.4bpg in only 24mpg.

His net rating is +6.9

Impressive stuff from the 19 year old.

[Duffman100]

In 8 games, he's putting up 8ppg, 9rpg, 3.4bpg in only 24mpg.

His net rating is +6.9

Impressive stuff from the 19 year old.

Going Sunday, hoping for a good game from him.

[LoveMyRaps]

In 8 games, he's putting up 8ppg, 9rpg, 3.4bpg in only 24mpg.

His net rating is +6.9

Impressive stuff from the 19 year old.

Going Sunday, hoping for a good game from him.

Looking forward to your detailed scouting report.

[LoveMyRaps]

14 pts / 13 REB / 6 BLK / 3 PF in the last 905 game and just a reminder the kid is younger than most college freshman this year.

Nice to have him stored in the background and I'm excited to see what kind of impact he can have for the main squad once he's 21/22

it feels like he most likely be a serge ibaka type player

I'd like to see him in the NBA for a reasonable time frame, G league doesn't exactly always translate. No harm in bringing him in for a few games during those tank vs tank games against WAS etc. Would give us something interesting to watch as well.

Agreed.
It's not like we have much frontcourt depth either.
Bring in the guy and give him some reps in the NBA.

[YogurtProducer]

In 8 games, he's putting up 8ppg, 9rpg, 3.4bpg in only 24mpg.

His net rating is +6.9

Impressive stuff from the 19 year old.

Not to be a downer, but until he is dominating the G-League we should keep expectations in check.

Isaiah Hartenstein was a 25/15/5 guy in the G-League.
Chris Boucher put up 27/11 with 4 blocks and shot 7 3's a night (32% clip).
Hell, Bruno Caboclo eventually averaged 16/7 on 64TS% with 1.2 steals and 3.0 blocks a night in 28 minutes

The reality is that the only G-League guys who ever do anything in the NBA dominate the G-League. And even players who are NBA scrubs put up big #'s.

[Duffman100]

In 8 games, he's putting up 8ppg, 9rpg, 3.4bpg in only 24mpg.

His net rating is +6.9

Impressive stuff from the 19 year old.

Not to be a downer, but until he is dominating the G-League we should keep expectations in check.

Isaiah Hartenstein was a 25/15/5 guy in the G-League.
Chris Boucher put up 27/11 with 4 blocks and shot 7 3's a night (32% clip).
Hell, Bruno Caboclo eventually averaged 16/7 on 64TS% with 1.2 steals and 3.0 blocks a night in 28 minutes

The reality is that the only G-League guys who ever do anything in the NBA dominate the G-League. And even players who are NBA scrubs put up big #'s.

Agreed. But it's at least a positive that at 18 he's not lost in g league action.

[Thaddy]

In 8 games, he's putting up 8ppg, 9rpg, 3.4bpg in only 24mpg.

His net rating is +6.9

Impressive stuff from the 19 year old.

Not to be a downer, but until he is dominating the G-League we should keep expectations in check.

Isaiah Hartenstein was a 25/15/5 guy in the G-League.
Chris Boucher put up 27/11 with 4 blocks and shot 7 3's a night (32% clip).
Hell, Bruno Caboclo eventually averaged 16/7 on 64TS% with 1.2 steals and 3.0 blocks a night in 28 minutes

The reality is that the only G-League guys who ever do anything in the NBA dominate the G-League. And even players who are NBA scrubs put up big #'s.

Agreed. But it's at least a positive that at 18 he's not lost in g league action.

Boucher was 26 at the time. Hartenstein was 21. I could see Chomche putting up inflated numbers at the same age.

[YogurtProducer]

Not to be a downer, but until he is dominating the G-League we should keep expectations in check.

Isaiah Hartenstein was a 25/15/5 guy in the G-League.
Chris Boucher put up 27/11 with 4 blocks and shot 7 3's a night (32% clip).
Hell, Bruno Caboclo eventually averaged 16/7 on 64TS% with 1.2 steals and 3.0 blocks a night in 28 minutes

The reality is that the only G-League guys who ever do anything in the NBA dominate the G-League. And even players who are NBA scrubs put up big #'s.

Agreed. But it's at least a positive that at 18 he's not lost in g league action.

Boucher was 26 at the time. Hartenstein was 21. I could see Chomche putting up inflated numbers at the same age.

Sure, you could see it, but it doesn’t make it likely.

Hart was 19 in the g league putting up 10/7 in 18mpg 63ts%
Chom is 19 in the g league putting up 8/9 in 24mpg 57ts%

And Hart is already an outlier development path and he was above Chom at the same age.

The odds of Chom being an nba player are astronomically low. Not impossible, but incredibly unlikely

[Thaddy]

Agreed. But it's at least a positive that at 18 he's not lost in g league action.

Boucher was 26 at the time. Hartenstein was 21. I could see Chomche putting up inflated numbers at the same age.

Sure, you could see it, but it doesn’t make it likely.

Hart was 19 in the g league putting up 10/7 in 18mpg 63ts%
Chom is 19 in the g league putting up 8/9 in 24mpg 57ts%

And Hart is already an outlier development path and he was above Chom at the same age.

The odds of Chom being an nba player are astronomically low. Not impossible, but incredibly unlikely

IH is an American who had the AAU circuit. Chomche is a farmer from Africa.

It's not the same bud.

[YogurtProducer]

Boucher was 26 at the time. Hartenstein was 21. I could see Chomche putting up inflated numbers at the same age.

Sure, you could see it, but it doesn’t make it likely.

Hart was 19 in the g league putting up 10/7 in 18mpg 63ts%
Chom is 19 in the g league putting up 8/9 in 24mpg 57ts%

And Hart is already an outlier development path and he was above Chom at the same age.

The odds of Chom being an nba player are astronomically low. Not impossible, but incredibly unlikely

IH is an American who had the AAU circuit. Chomche is a farmer from Africa.

It's not the same bud.

Okay? It isn’t like just cause he’s from Africa he has some magical growth in him.

Yall just need to accept Chomche probably isn’t ever a nba player. If he even gives us a few years of bench play that’s a huge win.

[Thaddy]

Sure, you could see it, but it doesn’t make it likely.

Hart was 19 in the g league putting up 10/7 in 18mpg 63ts%
Chom is 19 in the g league putting up 8/9 in 24mpg 57ts%

And Hart is already an outlier development path and he was above Chom at the same age.

The odds of Chom being an nba player are astronomically low. Not impossible, but incredibly unlikely

IH is an American who had the AAU circuit. Chomche is a farmer from Africa.

It's not the same bud.

Okay? It isn’t like just cause he’s from Africa he has some magical growth in him.

Yall just need to accept Chomche probably isn’t ever a nba player. If he even gives us a few years of bench play that’s a huge win.

He's newer to the game compared to the guy who's been playing it his whole life. So yes, it's different.