2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II

[Saciid11]

^^I wouldn't put Ed high on our trade list. Only if we land a top 3 pick and have a chance to draft Drummond, but that's not so likely. Ed's 2-way potential is off the charts right now.

I would trade Ed if we landed Anthony Davis too, hell I would trade Ed if we landed Sullinger who is going to be better then Ed. Ed is good, but come on he is not as good as the top 4 power forward in 2012 . I we land top 3 and one of the two bigs are available( Drummond of Anthony) you draft one of them and trade one of Bargnani or Ed Davis ... of more both of them.

[witnessraps]

^^I wouldn't put Ed high on our trade list. Only if we land a top 3 pick and have a chance to draft Drummond, but that's not so likely. Ed's 2-way potential is off the charts right now.

I would trade Ed if we landed Anthony Davis too, hell I would trade Ed if we landed Sullinger who is going to be better then Ed. Ed is good, but come on he is not as good as the top 4 power forward in 2012 . I we land top 3 and one of the two bigs are available( Drummond of Anthony) you draft one of them and trade one of Bargnani or Ed Davis ... of more both of them.

I would trade Bargnani and go with Drummond, Val, Ed, Amir...but again us landing an allstar power forward is a huge what-if, we're more likely to keep Ed and land a SF

[Silk Wilkes]

where does Tyreke play here? We are set at the 2 with Derozan... Tyreke isn't a true point guard, and that is what this team needs...I just don't see a good fit here.

I'd rather use Barbosa expiring for something we truly need like a backup C or in a deal for a true point.

tyreke plays as our point guard, NOT our shooting guard if we deal for him. And you don't use assets for other needs if a guy like Tyreke were to be available.

[drew_28]

tyreke plays as our point guard, NOT our shooting guard if we deal for him. And you don't use assets for other needs if a guy like Tyreke were to be available.

It didn't work in Sacramento, why do you think it would work here?? All that would do is take away from DD and his development. Don't get me wrong...Tyreke is a hell of a player...and he is fantastic in perhaps a 1-2 combo role. But we already have Bayless who is a bit of a combo guard, and honestly I don't see someone like Tyreke being our Number One point guard of the future...so why would we trade two valuable pieces for him?

[Laowai]

^^I wouldn't put Ed high on our trade list. Only if we land a top 3 pick and have a chance to draft Drummond, but that's not so likely. Ed's 2-way potential is off the charts right now.

I would trade Ed if we landed Anthony Davis too, hell I would trade Ed if we landed Sullinger who is going to be better then Ed. Ed is good, but come on he is not as good as the top 4 power forward in 2012 . I we land top 3 and one of the two bigs are available( Drummond of Anthony) you draft one of them and trade one of Bargnani or Ed Davis ... of more both of them.

I would trade Bargnani and go with Drummond, Val, Ed, Amir...but again us landing an allstar power forward is a huge what-if, we're more likely to keep Ed and land a SF

If we were lucky enough to get Drummond then you trade Davis for another lottery pick hopefully get Kabongo at PG. Trade Amir or Bargs as well my preference would be to keep Bargs for offense being 6th man logging minutes at both C & PF. Hopefully get a late 1st for Amir and pick-up Kris Joseph with pick and use 2nd to get Nicolson.

Bayless Kabongo Jose

DD, Weems ( after his European year )
JJ , Klieza, Joseph
Val, Bargs,
Drummond, Bargs, Nicolson

[Silk Wilkes]

tyreke plays as our point guard, NOT our shooting guard if we deal for him. And you don't use assets for other needs if a guy like Tyreke were to be available.

It didn't work in Sacramento, why do you think it would work here?? All that would do is take away from DD and his development. Don't get me wrong...Tyreke is a hell of a player...and he is fantastic in perhaps a 1-2 combo role. But we already have Bayless who is a bit of a combo guard, and honestly I don't see someone like Tyreke being our Number One point guard of the future...so why would we trade two valuable pieces for him?

it's about the collection of high quality assets. Ed Davis is a nice player (I say the guy has Indiana JO potential), but the if the opportunity were there to acquire a Tyreke Evans I'd say bye bye to Ed no problem. And it's not like Tyreke can't play the 2 while DeMar plays the 3. Both struggle defensively at the 1 and 2 respectively so why not put them up against the bigger guys who they can stay in front of? Of course when DeMar has to guard guys like LeBron and KD he'll struggle, but who doesn't?

[drew_28]

Demar does not have the body to be a three in this league. He would get abused on the defensive end...and its not just Lebron and KD...think Carmelo, Paul Pierce, even someone like Rudy Gay would have there way with Demar..it would be a huge mismatch on both ends of the floor against most teams.

I understand what you are saying about assets going forward..I just don't see Tyreke working here with Demar period. And quite frankly i'd rather go forward with Demar than with Tyreke.

[Silk Wilkes]

Demar does not have the body to be a three in this league. He would get abused on the defensive end...and its not just Lebron and KD...think Carmelo, Paul Pierce, even someone like Rudy Gay would have there way with Demar..it would be a huge mismatch on both ends of the floor against most teams.

I understand what you are saying about assets going forward..I just don't see Tyreke working here with Demar period. And quite frankly i'd rather go forward with Demar than with Tyreke.

Fair enough.

[Silk Wilkes]

Random question: If you could acquire Eric Gordon but you had to give up DeRozan and Davis do you pull the trigger? I know it seems like a ton since a bunch of guys are super high on both, but Gordon has one of the higher 2-guard ceilings in this league. Add that to the fact that we already have Big V at Centre and hopefully another blue chip prospect coming in next season and you're kind of taking a step back in order to take two forward. Going into the future with something like Gordon, Valanciunas & Barnes/Miller/McAdoo etc could be EPIC! What's the word?

[dTox]

Random question: If you could acquire Eric Gordon but you had to give up DeRozan and Davis do you pull the trigger? I know it seems like a ton since a bunch of guys are super high on both, but Gordon has one of the higher 2-guard ceilings in this league. Add that to the fact that we already have Big V at Centre and hopefully another blue chip prospect coming in next season and you're kind of taking a step back in order to take two forward. Going into the future with something like Gordon, Valanciunas & Barnes/Miller/McAdoo etc could be EPIC! What's the word?

hell no

[Mr Swagtastic]

Random question: If you could acquire Eric Gordon but you had to give up DeRozan and Davis do you pull the trigger? I know it seems like a ton since a bunch of guys are super high on both, but Gordon has one of the higher 2-guard ceilings in this league. Add that to the fact that we already have Big V at Centre and hopefully another blue chip prospect coming in next season and you're kind of taking a step back in order to take two forward. Going into the future with something like Gordon, Valanciunas & Barnes/Miller/McAdoo etc could be EPIC! What's the word?

Yeah a no to that, Eric Gordon is a legit star but giving up a very good young SG and a very good young PF in Davis is just too much right now. I would rather hang onto what we have and see where the chips land in the draft at one of Andre Drummond (just can't pass up on that potential) or a star wing. Either way I keep our core how it is now and see if we could shed Jose's deal or Bargnani's for younger pieces and a possible draft pick in 2012.

[drew_28]

I do love Eric Gordan...if there was a way to deal DeRozan + Barbosa and or filler...i'd certainly consider it.

[witnessraps]

I'm not down to trade DeMar for any young shooting guard in the league at this point. That includes Harden, Gordon, Tyreke. Call me crazy but this kid's gonna explode. And you wanna throw in Ed Davis? The guy showed great rebounding ability, ability to protect the rim and block shots, and score efficiently all while missing training camp and the first quarter of the season as a rookie. He was projected to be the top pick before he got injured at UNC...I really think we should not make the mistake of Ed sitting on the bench behind Bargnani, as you will get a much less efficient game from Bargnani on both ends. The guy needs to be playing 30 minutes, so he can put his stamp on the game defensively. I wanna say we can try out a frontcourt of Ed Davis/Andrea Bargnani for next year, but Andrea is too puss to play centre.

[Mr Swagtastic]

witnessraps, I don't know how you could honestly say you wouldn't trade Demar for any young SG in the game today. DeRozan is a great athlete but there are some really good ones in the league right now, Evans, Gordon, Harden and Ellis (if he still counts). I think DeRozan is just a slasher right now at this point and time he's a fantastic around the rim scorer but when you get him out to the 3 point line he's horrid.

If there was a way to move him for Gordon or Harden I would jump on that deal faster then well if Megan Fox was naked in my bed. Point is right now I feel Harden and Gordon are more complete players. Gordon is already a upper tier scorer and a very good defender and Harden has the tools to become quite a very good player ala Manu Ginobili or I see a bit of Roy in him

[Silk Wilkes]

Yeah, I'll admit that I'm probably one of the biggest DeRozan homers but if a guy like Harden, Evans or Gordon is offered I gotta wish DeMar the best on his travels to OKC, Sactown or LA.

[witnessraps]

What I saw from DeMar last year, especially from February on, leads me to believe that he can end up being the best out of that crop. Everyone complains about his 3-point shot, but he never really attempted them last year. The guy became AUTOMATIC from mid-range as the year went on, and he showed the ability to get his shot off pretty easily. I mean, if he adds a respectable 3-point shot, he is now a threat from everywhere on the court. We know he is working hard on it. I think DeMar has a knack for taking it to the rim better than those 3 guys mentioned...and with added muscle will be even more beast. We gotta see how things play out in year 3 and year 4, and then I would look at swapping DeMar with a different upper-tier young SG. His handles got better last year, DeMar has the toolbox, he just needs to polish his game. You don't give up on a guy like DeMar after only 2 years, especially looking at how crazy his improvement was from year 1 to year 2.

[Rapsfan07]

What I saw from DeMar last year, especially from February on, leads me to believe that he can end up being the best out of that crop. Everyone complains about his 3-point shot, but he never really attempted them last year. The guy became AUTOMATIC from mid-range as the year went on, and he showed the ability to get his shot off pretty easily. I mean, if he adds a respectable 3-point shot, he is now a threat from everywhere on the court. We know he is working hard on it. I think DeMar has a knack for taking it to the rim better than those 3 guys mentioned...and with added muscle will be even more beast. We gotta see how things play out in year 3 and year 4, and then I would look at swapping DeMar with a different upper-tier young SG. His handles got better last year, DeMar has the toolbox, he just needs to polish his game. You don't give up on a guy like DeMar after only 2 years, especially looking at how crazy his improvement was from year 1 to year 2.

I agree with all this. DeMar does have the toolbox and hopefully he can put it all together. But for me it'd be hard to pass up on Harden.

[sweetcity]

My personal opinion is to build around players that will be loyal to TO. I'd develop Ed Davis bc I also think he has JO potential and then pull the trigger for a mid lottery pick bc I think at the end of the day he will be the type of guy that doesnt want to stay in Toronto. DeMar will stay, he can be the face of the franchise where else will he get that attention? Id target loyal players like Sullinger and perhaps Kabongo for his ties to Toronto. The real player we should want is Shabazz in 2013, he is a winner, probably the closest thing to Kobe in years

Kabongo - Bayless
DeRozen - Weems
Johnson - Kleiza
Sullinger - Amir
JoVo - Bargnani

[sweetcity]

Raps Trade Calderon to Minny for Beasley and Ed Davis to Charlotte for 2012 first rounder

Raps then trade Bargnani and Beasley to Philly for Igoudala + Meeks + Vucevic

Raps trade down and take Sullinger and Kabongo and get an extra 2013 pick which we use to move up with our own pick

Kabongo (Next Rondo) + Bayless
DeRozen - Meeks (3 pt specialist)
Iguodala - Johnson
Sullinger - Amir
JoVo - Vucevic

[Mr Swagtastic]

Raps Trade Calderon to Minny for Beasley and Ed Davis to Charlotte for 2012 first rounder

Raps then trade Bargnani and Beasley to Philly for Igoudala + Meeks + Vucevic

Raps trade down and take Sullinger and Kabongo and get an extra 2013 pick which we use to move up with our own pick

Kabongo (Next Rondo) + Bayless
DeRozen - Meeks (3 pt specialist)
Iguodala - Johnson
Sullinger - Amir
JoVo - Vucevic

Good luck getting Minny to take that deal. Why the hell do they trade a legit good young SF/PF for a older backup PG in Jose? They have Ridnour and are heavily invested in Rubio as their starter. Your ideas would never fly. Also what is all this Sullinger love? He's not somebody I want near Toronto if we go pick it's either Andre Drummond or Anthony Davis if it's a wing then we take the best one out there Sullinger looks like a so-so defender I see him at best as a Zach Randolph or Boozer a sold 15+ ppg down low scorer and 8+ rpg but not a solid defender you can count on.