2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

[YelloC]

FVV for Dunn, Markannen, Grizzlies second round pick, Pelicans second round pick for next season. *
* The Bulls would have to extend the QO and Dunn would also have accept a move to Toronto since he has the power to veto, in order for the deal to work.

We'd get one year of Dunn to see if we could work out his offensive game because at the moment it's non-existent. On the defensive end he's one of my favorite players to watch, he can guard 1-3 and can shut down stars/superstar. He's one of the best defenders at his position in the league without a doubt.

I mean just look at this guy:

Watch on YouTube

It's a high risk, high reward deal. On one end we're acquiring two players with A LOT of potential and on the other hand those two are both on one year deals meaning we could lose em for nothing at the end of the season.

Of course... Best case scenario would be if no qualifying offer is extended and Dunn becomes a UFA. I'd pursue him on a one year deal.
Would be great if he could turn out to be a Marcus Smart type of player for us.

Donovan could see Dunn as his new Lu Dort so I’m not sure if he’s available anymore.
My ideal trade targets if FVVsr and Ibaka leave would be Richaun Holmes and Kris Dunn.
I’d also love to have Lowry mentor the kid from The Cavs that he seems to get into it with, Kevin Porter jr. but I don’t really see him being on the trade block.

[Rapsfan07]

I posted this earlier in the thread as well. I think it makes a lot of sense for both sides.

That would easily be the best case scenario since Jrue is a better player and fit here but it’s highly unlikely Fred would choose to go there of all places.

With Zion and Ingram and Reddick and Ball to be lead guard? He would be a fool not to approve that. Ten times better than the Knicks.

Yeah that's the way I see it as well.

As a matter of fact, if FVV wants to make his market value AND play for a contender, a S&T is the only way to make that happen.

Few teams have capspace this year. Of those, even fewer need lead guard and even fewer have the ceiling that the Pelicans have. Without a sign and trade, he's either going to the Knicks or to Casey's Pistons.

From the Pelicans perspective, Holiday is a good player no doubt. But he's a good deal older than their core of young guys (Ball, Ingram, Zion, Hart etc). Furthermore next season is Holiday's last guaranteed year on his deal, after which he'll likely exercise his PO and sign elsewhere for his last big deal. If the Pels don't move him before the deadline, they could lose him for nothing. And don't get me wrong the Pelicans have a nice core, but they won't be winning a ring next year.

I think FVV S&T for Holiday makes sense for everyone. I can't see the Pelicans getting a better, younger lead guard to add to their core for what is basically an expiring Holiday.

[OAKLEY_2]

Lowry-Holiday backcourt would be crazy.

A Fred-Norm backcort would be more than adequate if Lowry going home to Philly somehow netted us Embiid. We would have to add a shooter like Thomas and a couple first rounders at the very least.

Why couldn't Philly be:

Simmons/Horford/Harris
KL/Josh Richardson

Under Dantoni

[Rapsfan07]

Lowry-Holiday backcourt would be crazy.

A Fred-Norm backcort would be more than adequate if Lowry going home to Philly somehow netted us Embiid. We would have to add a shooter like Thomas and a couple first rounders at the very least.

Why couldn't Philly be:

Simmons/Horford/Harris
KL/Josh Richardson

Under Dantoni

We'd have to give pieces we don't want to give in order to get Embiid. Definitely OG or Davis, plus Siakam then we'll be taking back one of Harris or Horford.

Its been talked about to death on this forum but that TOR-GSW-PHI deal that has Wiggins + #2 coming back is really good for us. Obviously it only works if Lowry wants to be dealt but that gives us some pieces to work with.

This probably won't happen but I was thinking of a deal that would get us what we want. It's big but it works. After the TOR-GSW-PHI deal then:

Toronto in: Oladipo, Turner
Toronto out: Wiggins, #2, Johnson, McCaw (+#29)

Indiana in: Hield, Gordon
Indiana out: Oladipo, Turner

Orlando in: Bagley, McCaw, Johnson
Orlando out: Gordon

Sacramento in: Wiggins, #2 (+#29)
Sacramento out: Hield, Bagley

Toronto does it to bolster the roster in preparation for Giannis while staying competitive this upcoming season.

Indiana does it to recoup some value for Dipo who may not resign or return to form, also gets a much needed starting PF

Orlando does it to save some money and get a young piece to add to their core

Sacramento does it for the pick - they can put more top tier young talent around Fox. This move also saves them a lot of money. They'll likely be re-upping Bogdanovic to big money and will need to move Hield anyway.

S&T Vanvleet for Holiday, let Ibaka and Gasol walk

Holiday/Oladipo/OG/Siakam/Turner

FAs to consider: Napier, Harkless, Frank Jackson (3rd string), Noel, Giles, Portis. As well as bring back our end of bench guys.

This team should stroll to the ECF. Next summer, Dipo and Holiday expire/opt out. If Milwaukee is struggling by the deadline, offer Siakam straight up for Giannis. If they hold, offer Siakam in a sign and trade for Giannis in the offseason. Resign Dipo and Holiday to team friendly deals.

[Raptors_128]

After watching the Heat, I don’t think their roster is that much better than ours. I want to go for it in the last few years of Kyle’s prime. Don’t want to “waste” next year not trying to win. If Giannis wants to come here we can work out a sign-and-trade or dump a contract to one of the many teams with cap space in 2021.

If we can add just 1 more half-court threat, we would be so good.

Guys that I think would be available are: Oladipo, Holiday, and LaVine.

All of these guys have a weakness or risk associated to them. Jrue is not a good 3-point shooter, Oladipo is coming off a major injury, and LaVine can’t play defence.

I would still move anyone not named Kyle, OG, Siakam for them as they make our team better.

[gerrit4]

After watching the Heat, I don’t think their roster is that much better than ours. I want to go for it in the last few years of Kyle’s prime. Don’t want to “waste” next year not trying to win. If Giannis wants to come here we can work out a sign-and-trade or dump a contract to one of the many teams with cap space in 2021.

If we can add just 1 more half-court threat, we would be so good.

Guys that I think would be available are: Oladipo, Holiday, and LaVine.

All of these guys have a weakness or risk associated to them. Jrue is not a good 3-point shooter, Oladipo is coming off a major injury, and LaVine can’t play defence.

I would still move anyone not named Kyle, OG, Siakam for them as they make our team better.

A healthy Oladipo would kill it on this team. I loved watching that guy play in his MIP season. That said, I have no idea what his recovery progress is like...

[douggood]

After watching the Heat, I don’t think their roster is that much better than ours. I want to go for it in the last few years of Kyle’s prime. Don’t want to “waste” next year not trying to win. If Giannis wants to come here we can work out a sign-and-trade or dump a contract to one of the many teams with cap space in 2021.

If we can add just 1 more half-court threat, we would be so good.

Guys that I think would be available are: Oladipo, Holiday, and LaVine.

All of these guys have a weakness or risk associated to them. Jrue is not a good 3-point shooter, Oladipo is coming off a major injury, and LaVine can’t play defence.

I would still move anyone not named Kyle, OG, Siakam for them as they make our team better.

A healthy Oladipo would kill it on this team. I loved watching that guy play in his MIP season. That said, I have no idea what his recovery progress is like...

we dont have the depth we had leading up to the DD trade. any consolidation trade leaves us thin and always searching for the next piece.

you absolutely do the trades 1000 times over knowing the outcome

but we bascailly lost 5 players in trade for players who arent going to be here (kawhi/green/gasol)

DD, jacob, jonas, delon, first rounder.

masai and bobby are gonna have to earn their money if they want to setup the team to sign/trade for another star.

[dalton749]

After watching the Heat, I don’t think their roster is that much better than ours. I want to go for it in the last few years of Kyle’s prime. Don’t want to “waste” next year not trying to win. If Giannis wants to come here we can work out a sign-and-trade or dump a contract to one of the many teams with cap space in 2021.

If we can add just 1 more half-court threat, we would be so good.

Guys that I think would be available are: Oladipo, Holiday, and LaVine.

All of these guys have a weakness or risk associated to them. Jrue is not a good 3-point shooter, Oladipo is coming off a major injury, and LaVine can’t play defence.

I would still move anyone not named Kyle, OG, Siakam for them as they make our team better.

A healthy Oladipo would kill it on this team. I loved watching that guy play in his MIP season. That said, I have no idea what his recovery progress is like...

we dont have the depth we had leading up to the DD trade. any consolidation trade leaves us thin and always searching for the next piece.

you absolutely do the trades 1000 times over knowing the outcome

but we bascailly lost 5 players in trade for players who arent going to be here (kawhi/green/gasol)

DD, jacob, jonas, delon, first rounder.

masai and bobby are gonna have to earn their money if they want to setup the team to sign/trade for another star.

As we have seen many times over, building the best possible starting 5 should be the main priority and then we figure it out from there. If we can flip FVV for Olapido or Holiday it should be a no brainer. We need a guard that can get to the basket and both of those guys play defense as well. I think Oladipo is the most realistic as he is expiring and Indiana is 4 hours away from Rockford, Fred’s hometown.

[Raptors_128]

A healthy Oladipo would kill it on this team. I loved watching that guy play in his MIP season. That said, I have no idea what his recovery progress is like...

we dont have the depth we had leading up to the DD trade. any consolidation trade leaves us thin and always searching for the next piece.

you absolutely do the trades 1000 times over knowing the outcome

but we bascailly lost 5 players in trade for players who arent going to be here (kawhi/green/gasol)

DD, jacob, jonas, delon, first rounder.

masai and bobby are gonna have to earn their money if they want to setup the team to sign/trade for another star.

As we have seen many times over, building the best possible starting 5 should be the main priority and then we figure it out from there. If we can flip FVV for Olapido or Holiday it should be a no brainer. We need a guard that can get to the basket and both of those guys play defense as well. I think Oladipo is the most realistic as he is expiring and Indiana is 4 hours away from Rockford, Fred’s hometown.

We just need a solid 8 guys that can play. This organization can pull out role players out of thin air.

Get the stars and worry about the rest later.

Lowry/Siakam/OG/Ibaka/Oladipo is 5/8. Need another playmaker off the bench, a backup big, and a backup SF/PF.

[bballsparkin]

This probably won't happen but I was thinking of a deal that would get us what we want. It's big but it works. After the TOR-GSW-PHI deal then:

Toronto in: Oladipo, Turner
Toronto out: Wiggins, #2, Johnson, McCaw (+#29)

Indiana in: Hield, Gordon
Indiana out: Oladipo, Turner

Orlando in: Bagley, McCaw, Johnson
Orlando out: Gordon

Sacramento in: Wiggins, #2 (+#29)
Sacramento out: Hield, Bagley

Toronto does it to bolster the roster in preparation for Giannis while staying competitive this upcoming season.

Indiana does it to recoup some value for Dipo who may not resign or return to form, also gets a much needed starting PF

Orlando does it to save some money and get a young piece to add to their core

Sacramento does it for the pick - they can put more top tier young talent around Fox. This move also saves them a lot of money. They'll likely be re-upping Bogdanovic to big money and will need to move Hield anyway.
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I don't see why Sacramento would do this. Wiggins is owed $33.6 million in his last year, ouch. And then the draft is considered to be lacking. They would have to like someone in the draft as Bagley is a solid prospect. Number 2 pick from a deep draft.

And from our perspective, I'd probably want to keep the #2 if we did that trade. Draft Wiseman or anyone management likes. I haven't followed this years draft though so maybe that's a mistake. I really like Turner and would love to have him. Oladipo works as he expires in 21 so that's good. I would be fine with the trade.

I like the trade for the Pacers. It would be nice to see Gordon get a fresh start too.

[Zeno]

If Fred's demands in free agency are too big Aaron Gordon's contract is absolutely perfect for keeping Norm and still having max space. Don't know if he'd consider Orlando or if Orlando would be interested. But Gordon is making 18 million next year and it drops to 16.5 million in 2021.

[Rapsfan07]

This probably won't happen but I was thinking of a deal that would get us what we want. It's big but it works. After the TOR-GSW-PHI deal then:

Toronto in: Oladipo, Turner
Toronto out: Wiggins, #2, Johnson, McCaw (+#29)

Indiana in: Hield, Gordon
Indiana out: Oladipo, Turner

Orlando in: Bagley, McCaw, Johnson
Orlando out: Gordon

Sacramento in: Wiggins, #2 (+#29)
Sacramento out: Hield, Bagley

Toronto does it to bolster the roster in preparation for Giannis while staying competitive this upcoming season.

Indiana does it to recoup some value for Dipo who may not resign or return to form, also gets a much needed starting PF

Orlando does it to save some money and get a young piece to add to their core

Sacramento does it for the pick - they can put more top tier young talent around Fox. This move also saves them a lot of money. They'll likely be re-upping Bogdanovic to big money and will need to move Hield anyway.
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I don't see why Sacramento would do this. Wiggins is owed $33.6 million in his last year, ouch. And then the draft is considered to be lacking. They would have to like someone in the draft as Bagley is a solid prospect. Number 2 pick from a deep draft.

And from our perspective, I'd probably want to keep the #2 if we did that trade. Draft Wiseman or anyone management likes. I haven't followed this years draft though so maybe that's a mistake. I really like Turner and would love to have him. Oladipo works as he expires in 21 so that's good. I would be fine with the trade.

I like the trade for the Pacers. It would be nice to see Gordon get a fresh start too.

Yeah I agree somewhat. I can't quite get a read on how Sacramento values these guys. I know there was some issues around Hield earlier in the year but either way, they'll definitely need to move him when they re-up Bogs.

What I'd willing to do is re-route our first to the Kings to soften the blow. I think that should be a little more fair.

[h4rrison]

How much to resign Boucher?

Can we lock him up for 3 year/15m?

[Raptorfan2012]

How much to resign Boucher?

Can we lock him up for 3 year/15m?

I rather give that to Giles to be honest...

[StopitLeo]

How much to resign Boucher?

Can we lock him up for 3 year/15m?

You’re kidding right? I doubt anyone offers Boucher more than the minimum let alone $5M/y

[Raptors_128]

How much to resign Boucher?

Can we lock him up for 3 year/15m?

I think he just accepts the qualifying offer.

[LoveMyRaps]

How much to resign Boucher?

Can we lock him up for 3 year/15m?

I rather give that to Giles to be honest...

I'd rather give that to Noel.

[pr0gr4m]

I would easily trade anyone on the roster for Embiid. I would offer Siakam and FVV for Embiid and bring size back into the league using him and Giannis, in the playoffs Embiid can score in the half court and hurt teams that go small. Toronto could load manage him as well during the season as other young talent rises.

Embiid/Ibaka(re-sign golden handshake (30M /1 year)
Bertans(MLE)/Reed(1st rounder)
OG/Watson
Davis/Thomas
Lowry/Powell/Winston(2nd rounder)

Everyone can shoot nearly 40+ around Embiid who can develop a 2-man game in the playoffs with Lowry for a finals run. Powell would have a lot of open floor to attack as well, the pace could be changed between Ibaka and Embiid. Embiid and OG could have a good 2 man game if OG learns how to attack off a pick and roll due to their sizes, that could be extremely hard for other teams to go small against.

I would look to free agency to add Giannis or another star level guard. You could theoretically trade Bertans, OG, and Davis for another star.

Embiid/Ibaka
Giannis/Reed
Powell/Watson/
Beal/Thomas
Winston/Lowry

[Rapsfan07]

I would easily trade anyone on the roster for Embiid. I would offer Siakam and FVV for Embiid and bring size back into the league using him and Giannis, in the playoffs Embiid can score in the half court and hurt teams that go small. Toronto could load manage him as well during the season as other young talent rises.

Embiid/Ibaka(re-sign golden handshake (30M /1 year)
Bertans(MLE)/Reed(1st rounder)
OG/Watson
Davis/Thomas
Lowry/Powell/Winston(2nd rounder)

Everyone can shoot nearly 40+ around Embiid who can develop a 2-man game in the playoffs with Lowry for a finals run. Powell would have a lot of open floor to attack as well, the pace could be changed between Ibaka and Embiid. Embiid and OG could have a good 2 man game if OG learns how to attack off a pick and roll due to their sizes, that could be extremely hard for other teams to go small against.

I would look to free agency to add Giannis or another star level guard. You could theoretically trade Bertans, OG, and Davis for another star.

Embiid/Ibaka
Giannis/Reed
Powell/Watson/
Beal/Thomas
Winston/Lowry

A few things wrong here:

1. I would never trade Siakam for Embiid. I like Embiid, I think he's a top tier guy but with the way the NBA is going, the SF/PF position is the hardest to fill with quality guys and the C position is becoming less and less important. Not to mention that FVV is a UFA and would have to want to go to Philly for this deal to work. Now if FVV make his market rate (around $20M per), TOR would be sending out $50M in salary and would have to take back Embiid + one of Harris or Horford and that's a no go for me.

2. If the goal is to trade for Embiid (or any other starting C), there's no reason to retain Ibaka. It would be better for both sides if he signed for 3yrs/$45M on another team like New Orleans.

3. I can't see Bertans gettting less than $15M per this offseason. He's a big wing, 27 years old, coming off a huge season shooting 40%< from 3pt range. No way you're going to get him for the MLE.

4. Powell is too small to play SF full time.

[Zeno]

How much to resign Boucher?

Can we lock him up for 3 year/15m?

I think he just accepts the qualifying offer.

I think they bump the 2.7 million QO to 3 million so they can tack on a team option in 2021-22
So 2 years 6 million.