Raps in 4 wrote:CantStopTheRock wrote:Raps in 4 wrote:
I'm glad the media is finally calling out our governments on the BS.
This part is a great counterpoint to the myopic anti-masker argument:
Yes, that’s right. There’s no real data to show that the downsides of masking outweigh the benefits; the WHO just kind of assumed it did. And hey: Newsflash, there’s a whole bunch of things we do for our health that can backfire if you don’t do it correctly. You can still get AIDS if you’re using a condom. You can still get the flu if you get the flu shot. You can still die in a car crash even if you put on your seatbelt. In all those cases, we just tell people to use the technology with caution: We don’t tell people not to do it because it might give them a “false sense of security.”
That last point is actually idiotic, you can still get the flu if you get a flu shot, you can still die in car crash if wearing a seat belt. Seriously?
How the hell is that equivalent? If that's what you think is a good counterpoint, there is no hope for you
The point is that nothing provides 100% protection against a threat. Just because something doesn't provide 100% protection doesn't mean people shouldn't use it to protect themselves and others.
Except those have been PROVEN and there is a overwhelming evidence of that and consensus in the academic community that are pro for it.
A quick search, please correct if I'm wrong
Shows condoms at 90-95% effective
A flu vaccine is proven what 50% effective?
A seat belt is about the same.
Wearing a mask is not even remotely close to that effect with our current protocols in place and there is no overwhelming evidence even in favor of it. It's crazy that a journalist trying to get their point across would even write that
Masking everyone hasn't, you guys are posting several articles that reference the same set of case studies that if you read them even state some of them show no benefit and they are about HCW, or people coughing/sneezing without a mask. It's a giant mixed bag of results. The other article that was just posted is the exact same study as a few pages back and it's results from masking sick people vs no one. It's article after article referencing the same study that is not proving what the writer is suggesting
Heck many of the articles are incorrectly implying Asian countries guidelines are drastically different than ours which is proven false.
Every article you post I can post one saying the exact opposite.
What is clear is there is a lack of consensus on the topic. Maybe this time around it will cause that to change. I have no issue if it is the other way.
I've never said it needs to provide 100% protection to be useful. I even said if worn correctly they would give you some protection.
I am just saying if everyone is doing what they are supposed to do (social distancing and staying at home) it's benefits are reduced to nearly nothing.
You can't just say its better than nothing, so why not. That why not is millions and millions of masks. That is money or resources that could be going to something else like testing or research. Especially during a shortage
I said symptomatic people should wear them or HCW, something almost every article's links are about, but claim otherwise
I said to wear them if social distancing was not possible. Although overall you are putting yourself at greater risk being in close quarters and increasing the chance of spread
I said to wear them when dealing with elderly or sick.
I said if worn correctly it can provide minimal protection (assuming people are social distancing)
I said they will be important when we go back to normal, when we can't practice social distancing.
I even said there could be a time when it's proven that there are enough asymptomatic people effected and they are enough of a risk that everyone should wear them
That isn't anti mask or saying masks are useless. That is reading all the studies that go both ways and forming a conclusion based on what we know and how best to use the resources we have.
You'd have to clean your floors pretty much daily if you didn't do that lol. Maybe it's different in actual other countries, but I'd be shocked if I went into someone's house in Canada and people had their shoes on.
