The Official Cunningham vs Suggs Thread #Tank4Either

[Mark_83]

If he's the best talent at our pick would you guys take Jared Butler even with our guard rotation? The guy is an analytics darling.

[Reeko]

If he's the best talent at our pick would you guys take Jared Butler even with our guard rotation? The guy is an analytics darling.

So was Aaron Nesmith in last year's draft, now he can't get off the bench.

[Reeko]

If we're drafting in the top 15 but out of the top 5, we should draft Charles Bassey, 6'11, 235lbs and can run like the wind. His 3pt shooting is still a work in progress, but he immediately addresses a bunch of areas of need for the Raptors ie physicality down low, rebounding, shot blocking and rim running. He's averaging 18 and 12, with 3 blocks. He would be an impact player from day 1.

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[PhilBlackson]

If we're drafting in the top 15 but out of the top 5, we should draft Charles Bassey, 6'11, 235lbs and can run like the wind. His 3pt shooting is still a work in progress, but he immediately addresses a bunch of areas of need for the Raptors ie physicality down low, rebounding, shot blocking and rim running. He's averaging 18 and 12, with 3 blocks. He would be an impact player from day 1.

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If we're drafting top 15 but not top 5, I'm praying one of Barnes, Johnson or Christopher are available not drafting for need on what looks to be a fairly mediocre C prospect.

Now if he's there between 18-21 where we're looking to be most likely to land, ok I'd take a look at him but I even think Ariel Hukporti might be just as intriguing of a prospect maybe even more so because the kid shows more potential with his footwork and touch around the basket although personally not too high on either.

[Psubs]

If we're drafting top 15 but not top 5, I'm praying one of Barnes, Johnson or Christopher are available not drafting for need on what looks to be a fairly mediocre C prospect.

Now if he's there between 18-21 where we're looking to be most likely to land, ok I'd take a look at him but I even think Ariel Hukporti might be just as intriguing of a prospect maybe even more so because the kid shows more potential with his footwork and touch around the basket although personally not too high on either.

Also Hukporti is younger (still 18 for 2 more months) and his competition in the Lithuanian league is likely better than Western Kentucky's weak conference CUSA.

I see a bigger (get 1 more block and 2 more rebounds per game) Thomas Bryant, who after a few years has developed a reliable 3pt shot.

https://www.nbascoutinglive.com/2021-draft-watch-observing-ariel-hukporti-and-franz-wagner/

His FT shooting is concerning but his form looks decent so maybe he'll eventually be able to bring that up to 70%.

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Is Jalen Johnson the Tatum stopper?

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[PhilBlackson]

If we're drafting top 15 but not top 5, I'm praying one of Barnes, Johnson or Christopher are available not drafting for need on what looks to be a fairly mediocre C prospect.

Now if he's there between 18-21 where we're looking to be most likely to land, ok I'd take a look at him but I even think Ariel Hukporti might be just as intriguing of a prospect maybe even more so because the kid shows more potential with his footwork and touch around the basket although personally not too high on either.

Also Hukporti is younger (still 18 for 2 more months) and his competition in the Lithuanian league is likely better than Western Kentucky's weak conference CUSA.

I see a bigger (get 1 more block and 2 more rebounds per game) Thomas Bryant, who after a few years has developed a reliable 3pt shot.

https://www.nbascoutinglive.com/2021-draft-watch-observing-ariel-hukporti-and-franz-wagner/

His FT shooting is concerning but his form looks decent so maybe he'll eventually be able to bring that up to 70%.

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I'm not seeing the Bryant comparison.

Physically he actually reminds me of something between a poor man's Ayton and Favors. Bryant was slightly chubby looking, without the wingspan (watch Ariel in Germany, different build) and not much of a post game, mainly a hustle player. I think Ariel presents more upside than that if developed properly which of course I like our team's development staff to do as well as anyone's. Again I'm not particularly high on him or Bassey but personally I see more potential with Ariel because he has some flashes of some better footwork around the rim and possibly a better athlete.

[Reeko]

If we're drafting top 15 but not top 5, I'm praying one of Barnes, Johnson or Christopher are available not drafting for need on what looks to be a fairly mediocre C prospect.

Now if he's there between 18-21 where we're looking to be most likely to land, ok I'd take a look at him but I even think Ariel Hukporti might be just as intriguing of a prospect maybe even more so because the kid shows more potential with his footwork and touch around the basket although personally not too high on either.

Also Hukporti is younger (still 18 for 2 more months) and his competition in the Lithuanian league is likely better than Western Kentucky's weak conference CUSA.

I see a bigger (get 1 more block and 2 more rebounds per game) Thomas Bryant, who after a few years has developed a reliable 3pt shot.

https://www.nbascoutinglive.com/2021-draft-watch-observing-ariel-hukporti-and-franz-wagner/

His FT shooting is concerning but his form looks decent so maybe he'll eventually be able to bring that up to 70%.

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So you'd rather have a guy who projects to be the next Thomas Bryant, over a guy who compares favorably to Bam Adebayo? I don't get it. Bassey would already be in the league if not for an injury last season.

[PhilBlackson]

If we're drafting top 15 but not top 5, I'm praying one of Barnes, Johnson or Christopher are available not drafting for need on what looks to be a fairly mediocre C prospect.

Now if he's there between 18-21 where we're looking to be most likely to land, ok I'd take a look at him but I even think Ariel Hukporti might be just as intriguing of a prospect maybe even more so because the kid shows more potential with his footwork and touch around the basket although personally not too high on either.

Also Hukporti is younger (still 18 for 2 more months) and his competition in the Lithuanian league is likely better than Western Kentucky's weak conference CUSA.

I see a bigger (get 1 more block and 2 more rebounds per game) Thomas Bryant, who after a few years has developed a reliable 3pt shot.

https://www.nbascoutinglive.com/2021-draft-watch-observing-ariel-hukporti-and-franz-wagner/

His FT shooting is concerning but his form looks decent so maybe he'll eventually be able to bring that up to 70%.

Watch on YouTube

So you'd rather have a guy who projects to be the next Thomas Bryant, over a guy who compares favorably to Bam Adebayo? I don't get it. Bassey would already be in the league if not for an injury last season.

Not a huge fan of either of them but no idea where you're drawing the Bam comparison from. Bam was/is a much more explosive leaper, that has far quicker feet and showed signs of much better ballhandling than either Bassey or Ariel have shown.

What I will say though is it won't surprise me if we took Bassey considering where we'll be in the draft because we could obviously use his size and shot blocking around the rim right about now.

[Reeko]

Also Hukporti is younger (still 18 for 2 more months) and his competition in the Lithuanian league is likely better than Western Kentucky's weak conference CUSA.

I see a bigger (get 1 more block and 2 more rebounds per game) Thomas Bryant, who after a few years has developed a reliable 3pt shot.

https://www.nbascoutinglive.com/2021-draft-watch-observing-ariel-hukporti-and-franz-wagner/

His FT shooting is concerning but his form looks decent so maybe he'll eventually be able to bring that up to 70%.

Watch on YouTube

So you'd rather have a guy who projects to be the next Thomas Bryant, over a guy who compares favorably to Bam Adebayo? I don't get it. Bassey would already be in the league if not for an injury last season.

Not a huge fan of either of them but no idea where you're drawing the Bam comparison from. Bam was/is a much more explosive leaper, that has far quicker feet and showed signs of much better ballhandling than either Bassey or Ariel have shown.

What I will say though is it won't surprise me if we took Bassey considering where we'll be in the draft because we could obviously use his size and shot blocking around the rim right about now.

Defensively he would fit like a glove in Nurse's system.

The Bam comparison, comes from him being a gazelle running the floor, he also has ball handling skills (not as good as Bam) and can lead the break, defends the perimeter and the rim at a high level, and has the makings of a very good roll man in the PnR.

He's not going to be Bam, but he brings a lot of the same things to the table.

[Psubs]

So you'd rather have a guy who projects to be the next Thomas Bryant, over a guy who compares favorably to Bam Adebayo? I don't get it. Bassey would already be in the league if not for an injury last season.

Who's the next Bam?

Bassey is Mitchell Robinson with small chance at shooting the 3 at the next level.

I'd rather have Thomas Bryant than Mitchell Robinson (though good tops out at Clint Capela).

The closest player to be Bam is Kuminga, being mini-Bam with better handles and guard skills but blocks and rebounds. Bam is Draymond 2.0.

[PhilBlackson]

So you'd rather have a guy who projects to be the next Thomas Bryant, over a guy who compares favorably to Bam Adebayo? I don't get it. Bassey would already be in the league if not for an injury last season.

Who's the next Bam?

Bassey is Mitchell Robinson with small chance at shooting the 3 at the next level.

I'd rather have Thomas Bryant than Mitchell Robinson (though good tops out at Clint Capela).

The closest player to be Bam is Kuminga, being mini-Bam with better handles and guard skills but blocks and rebounds. Bam is Draymond 2.0.

All I'm gonna say is Bam right now is his own player lol

I think when "X" player surprises people how good they are, suddenly they become a trend and everyone has a tendency to want to find the next one of those players ie/ when Porzingis came out all of sudden Bender and Markannen was the "next KP". Obviously they weren't lol and same goes here with Bam.

Kuminga is far more developed at the same age than Bam was (or OG or Siakam as I see lazily thrown out as a comparison too lol). Has a better 3pt shot than any of them at the same age and just overall far more perimeter skills (ballhandling, passing, creating own shot off the dribble) than any of them. He's much closer to being a SF in terms of skill level than any of them but yes I'm sure he'll be a hybrid forward like say OG but far more skilled which is why he has some incredible potential and projected top 4 in the draft.

Bam also isn't the next Draymond because I get being a versatile defensive stud but Bam has A LOT more to offer offensively than Draymond ever did. Bam can go out on any given night and give the Heat 30+pts if they feed him, Draymond couldn't dream of it. I know comparisons can helpful in trying to project a player's potential when they have some elements of another player's but I think at times too quick to say "X" is the next "Y" when there are distinct differences that separate each potential.

[Stromile12]

seems like its gonna be pretty hard to miss with a top pick in this draft.

[Reeko]

So you'd rather have a guy who projects to be the next Thomas Bryant, over a guy who compares favorably to Bam Adebayo? I don't get it. Bassey would already be in the league if not for an injury last season.

Who's the next Bam?

Bassey is Mitchell Robinson with small chance at shooting the 3 at the next level.

I'd rather have Thomas Bryant than Mitchell Robinson (though good tops out at Clint Capela).

The closest player to be Bam is Kuminga, being mini-Bam with better handles and guard skills but blocks and rebounds. Bam is Draymond 2.0.

Unlike both Robinson and Capela, Bassey has a face up game and can take guys off the dribble. I didn't say he is the next Bam, I said he compares favorably to him. I don't think he has Bam's same handle and vision, although Bassey was a guard growing up and those skills might be suppressed in college.

[anotherhomer]

seems like its gonna be pretty hard to miss with a top pick in this draft.

i have mixed feelings about this.

It's nice to see Raps are competitive
but at the same time, there are some seriously impressive talent here

[BoyzNTheHood]

Isaiah Todd looks like a lottery level talent to me early on. You're telling me a 6'10" freshman with these abilities isn't worth taking in the top-10-15 of a draft if you're willing to develop him?

Spoiler:

This kid is 6'10"

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Lin sucks, but it's still a 6'10" guy staying in front of a guard

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Pascal-esque

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Nice elevation with high release on the jumper

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My favourite play of the game

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[Psubs]

Isaiah Todd looks like a lottery level talent to me early on. You're telling me a 6'10" freshman with these abilities isn't worth taking in the top-10-15 of a draft if you're willing to develop him?

It might take him a while but there's a reason why they offered him the contract to join the Ignite. Pre-season, I was enamoured by his highlights but good to see he has some fundamentals.

He could be a more raw taller version of Jalen Johnson.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Isaiah Todd looks like a lottery level talent to me early on. You're telling me a 6'10" freshman with these abilities isn't worth taking in the top-10-15 of a draft if you're willing to develop him?

It might take him a while but there's a reason why they offered him the contract to join the Ignite. Pre-season, I was enamoured by his highlights but good to see he has some fundamentals.

He could be a more raw taller version of Jalen Johnson.

I wonder how long Todd will measure at the combine. As of 2018, he measured 6'10" with a 7 foot wingspan and an 8'11" standing reach. He was very comparable size wise to Jalen McDaniels, but was only 17 at the time. Perhaps he may have grown a bit more.

[Psubs]

Isaiah Todd looks like a lottery level talent to me early on. You're telling me a 6'10" freshman with these abilities isn't worth taking in the top-10-15 of a draft if you're willing to develop him?

It might take him a while but there's a reason why they offered him the contract to join the Ignite. Pre-season, I was enamoured by his highlights but good to see he has some fundamentals.

He could be a more raw taller version of Jalen Johnson.

I wonder how long Todd will measure at the combine. As of 2018, he measured 6'10" with a 7 foot wingspan and an 8'11" standing reach. He was very comparable size wise to Jalen McDaniels, but was only 17 at the time. Perhaps he may have grown a bit more.

It's like, when did Ben Simmons get measured at 6'11?!?!? I always thought he was 6'10. I guess he grew.

[BoyzNTheHood]