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Kinda surprising Warriors are so low with Curry, Klay and Dray all being huge steals for where they were taken. I wonder if Wiseman at #1 is bringing them down

Since Dray and Harrison Barnes in 2012, they've been drafting at end of the first round up until 2020 and Wiseman. The most useful rotation player they've found in the late round/2nd since is, uh, Festus Ezili? Jordan Poole?

It kind of goes to show how rare/difficult it is to consistently find real rotation players/starters in the late 1st and 2nd round the way Masai has with OG/Siakam/Powell/FVV and now possibly Dalano. Just finding NBA level talent that late is a crapshoot, and Masai and Co consistently find 30 mpg guys

You can give them credit for finding Dray in the 2nd, but you might have to chalk that up to luck given their inability to keep finding late first/second round talent and who knows if the same scouting personel are with them since 2012.

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In the alternate universe where KD chooses Raptors over GS... how many titles do we win? Is Derozan still traded for Kawhi or nah?

We didn't have the kind of capspace that GSW ended up with, so there is a decent enough chance that if KD specifically wants Toronto,it happens via S&T and OKC asks for Demar + package, who at that point was still mostly considered our best player. We likely win at least one title, but also dominate atop the EC more than we did, with multiple years of TOR vs CLE in the ECF.

KD is the prefect guy to slot into this existing roster also, but he's signed a 4 year extension that ranges from $43 to $53 million over that span, which covers his 34-37 year old span - which is risky towards the tail end. It would take an offer of Pascal + Fred + picks for them to even consider any offer from us, if they allow us to exclude Barnes from the deal, but I can't see them budging from Kevin until something major happens that makes them re-evaluate the next few years.

I kinda feel like Scottie is like our Tim Duncan. I am obviously NOT comparing him in terms of value or career trajectory, but if you consider that both teams were very good in the lead up to a very bad season that won them a high pick, the path to being a very good team can be similar in terms of how quickly it happens. This is a learning year, but with the talent we have, next year should be considered as a fully contending season and we should make our plans accordingly. The Spurs drafted Felipe Lopez the following season and packaged him to Vancouver for Antonio Daniels, who was a contributor to their title run that season. Not saying we're Finals bound next season either, but we have to recognize that we have a core group that already has rings and we've added some very good pieces and a budding young superstar to that group.

We don't have to wait 3-5 years for our young guys to get better and gel before making moves to solidify what should be a deep playoffs roster. There isn't a need to do it this season, though there is some very sound logic in using some assets we have now that work towards that goal, as once guys like Dragic and Boucher are gone, our ability to use them as assets goes away and since we won't have money to spend on FAs next year, I do think there has to be a succession plan in place for those asset/salary slots to be used THIS year. What we get back may not help us this year and just kicks the can the road where we have extra trade capital at the draft or next season, but at least there IS a can to trade at that point.

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Kinda surprising Warriors are so low with Curry, Klay and Dray all being huge steals for where they were taken. I wonder if Wiseman at #1 is bringing them down

Udoh and Harrison Barnes.

Their second round picks also haven't panned out well outside of Green and maybe the likes of Paschall, and now, Poole.

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In the alternate universe where KD chooses Raptors over GS... how many titles do we win? Is Derozan still traded for Kawhi or nah?

We didn't have the kind of capspace that GSW ended up with, so there is a decent enough chance that if KD specifically wants Toronto,it happens via S&T and OKC asks for Demar + package, who at that point was still mostly considered our best player. We likely win at least one title, but also dominate atop the EC more than we did, with multiple years of TOR vs CLE in the ECF.

KD is the prefect guy to slot into this existing roster also, but he's signed a 4 year extension that ranges from $43 to $53 million over that span, which covers his 34-37 year old span - which is risky towards the tail end. It would take an offer of Pascal + Fred + picks for them to even consider any offer from us, if they allow us to exclude Barnes from the deal, but I can't see them budging from Kevin until something major happens that makes them re-evaluate the next few years.

I kinda feel like Scottie is like our Tim Duncan. I am obviously NOT comparing him in terms of value or career trajectory, but if you consider that both teams were very good in the lead up to a very bad season that won them a high pick, the path to being a very good team can be similar in terms of how quickly it happens. This is a learning year, but with the talent we have, next year should be considered as a fully contending season and we should make our plans accordingly. The Spurs drafted Felipe Lopez the following season and packaged him to Vancouver for Antonio Daniels, who was a contributor to their title run that season. Not saying we're Finals bound next season either, but we have to recognize that we have a core group that already has rings and we've added some very good pieces and a budding young superstar to that group.

We don't have to wait 3-5 years for our young guys to get better and gel before making moves to solidify what should be a deep playoffs roster. There isn't a need to do it this season, though there is some very sound logic in using some assets we have now that work towards that goal, as once guys like Dragic and Boucher are gone, our ability to use them as assets goes away and since we won't have money to spend on FAs next year, I do think there has to be a succession plan in place for those asset/salary slots to be used THIS year. What we get back may not help us this year and just kicks the can the road where we have extra trade capital at the draft or next season, but at least there IS a can to trade at that point.

Lol I know you added the caveat that you're not comparing scottie to Duncan, but aside from his talent I don't know if there will ever be a more "nba ready" prospect than Duncan. I think you can prob argue than Duncan had a flat development curve from day 1, and rookie duncan was more or less a finished product give or take a bit of vet savvy and experience

Scottie is ahead of schedule but I don't know if he's so ahead of schedule that we jump to instant win now contention ala a team adding duncan. I'm hopeful that we're looking at a 1 year turnaround now, but I don't know if we can project our time line until at least next offseason when we have a better idea of scotties development curve and how far away he is from being that type of franchise player

That said, I don't disagree with you generally that overall it looks likely we're not looking at another "development year" next season, and the middle ground between that and contention is probably spending some money/making trades for mid tier role players and youngish vets to fill positional needs.

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On Lowe's recent podcast, his guest had a great story about Barnes during the pre draft process. A coach told each player to visualize themselves scoring 25 points and then to go out on the practice court and score those 25 points you visualized. Scottie had a difficult time doing this and actually asked if assists would count towards his 25 points. His default mentality is to defer and create for others. It's a positive sign that he's taking as many shots as he has for, but it's also no surprise that Nurse is telling him to shoot more because it's not in his nature to look for his own.

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On Lowe's recent podcast, his guest had a great story about Barnes during the pre draft process. A coach told each player to visualize themselves scoring 25 points and then to go out on the practice court and score those 25 points you visualized. Scottie had a difficult time doing this and actually asked if assists would count towards his 25 points. His default mentality is to defer and create. It's a positive sign that he's taking as many shots as he has for, but it's also no surprise that Nurse is telling him to shoot more because it's not in his nature to look for his own.

Thats an interesting interview strategy. Who would have thought he'd have 25 in his 2nd game

[HumbleRen]

Would like to see Barnes be used more in some PnR action, let him survey the ball in the middle of the court to either kick it out to an open man or take it to the rim himself.

Utilize his passing ability.

[Hero_Panda]

On Lowe's recent podcast, his guest had a great story about Barnes during the pre draft process. A coach told each player to visualize themselves scoring 25 points and then to go out on the practice court and score those 25 points you visualized. Scottie had a difficult time doing this and actually asked if assists would count towards his 25 points. His default mentality is to defer and create. It's a positive sign that he's taking as many shots as he has for, but it's also no surprise that Nurse is telling him to shoot more because it's not in his nature to look for his own.

Thats an interesting interview strategy. Who would have thought he'd have 25 in his 2nd game

29-31 if assists count.
29 if both assists resulted in 2s, 31 if both assits resulted in 3s.

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Scottie is ahead of schedule but I don't know if he's so ahead of schedule that we jump to instant win now contention ala a team adding duncan. I'm hopeful that we're looking at a 1 year turnaround now, but I don't know if we can project our time line until at least next offseason when we have a better idea of scotties development curve and how far away he is from being that type of franchise player

That said, I don't disagree with you generally that overall it looks likely we're not looking at another "development year" next season, and the middle ground between that and contention is probably spending some money/making trades for mid tier role players and youngish vets to fill positional needs.

Right. This is the ONE development year we're going to have IMO. I wouldn't make any moves expecting to make this any sort of fast track contention year, but think we have some assets in place that need to be used this season, or they're lost and our ability to maneuver and upgrade is actually harder and costlier next season. Your listing of mid tier and youngish vets is what I had in mind, more so than some Kawhi kind of move, and those guys are either pieces to keep or they are assets to be used in that future consolidation move.

I think if done right, this is the borderline playoff/development season, next year is the make a deep run season, and then 2023-24 is when we shoot to be a Finals contender. Waiting on picks and youth to facilitate our improvement misses the window of Pascal and Freddie in their primes, from about 27-32 years old. I think we try to make the Finals a couple of times with them, sign them to their extensions (or S&T), and then make the next "replenish" moves when Scottie is due for his max extension, leading up to another 2-4 year window of contention after a couple of reload seasons.

I am picturing an up/down cycle where we make run for a couple/few seasons, then reload using our vet assets at the time, and then cycle up to contend again. Doing this should keep us very good all along with a contend-then-reload cycle every 5 years or so.

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On Lowe's recent podcast, his guest had a great story about Barnes during the pre draft process. A coach told each player to visualize themselves scoring 25 points and then to go out on the practice court and score those 25 points you visualized. Scottie had a difficult time doing this and actually asked if assists would count towards his 25 points. His default mentality is to defer and create for others. It's a positive sign that he's taking as many shots as he has for, but it's also no surprise that Nurse is telling him to shoot more because it's not in his nature to look for his own.

That’s pretty cool and interesting. Really cements the fact that Barnes has been doing things offensively he’s never been asked or thought of to do, all at the NBA level.

[Basketball_Jones]

Would like to see Barnes be used more in some PnR action, let him survey the ball in the middle of the court to either kick it out to an open man or take it to the rim himself.

Utilize his passing ability.

He’s been performing well as the roll man/finisher. I don’t think he’s there as a ball handler yet, but would be interesting to see how he fares.

[HumbleRen]

Would like to see Barnes be used more in some PnR action, let him survey the ball in the middle of the court to either kick it out to an open man or take it to the rim himself.

Utilize his passing ability.

He’s been performing well as the roll man/finisher. I don’t think he’s there as a ball handler yet, but would be interesting to see how he fares.

I meant more so as him being the roll man/finisher. Let him make reads in the middle of the court off the pass from FVV or whoever. Seems to be really successful whenever they do it.

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Would like to see Barnes be used more in some PnR action, let him survey the ball in the middle of the court to either kick it out to an open man or take it to the rim himself.

Utilize his passing ability.

He’s been performing well as the roll man/finisher. I don’t think he’s there as a ball handler yet, but would be interesting to see how he fares.

I meant more so as him being the roll man/finisher. Let him make reads in the middle of the court off the pass from FVV or whoever. Seems to be really successful whenever they do it.

Oh gotcha. More of either I’d like to see, though will be more difficult with Pascal back.

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The problem with that is Barnes has no pullup to punish defender going under in the PnR. He will be inefficient.

Would like to see Barnes be used more in some PnR action, let him survey the ball in the middle of the court to either kick it out to an open man or take it to the rim himself.

Utilize his passing ability.

[HumbleRen]

The problem with that is Barnes has no pullup to punish defender going under in the PnR. He will be inefficient.

Would like to see Barnes be used more in some PnR action, let him survey the ball in the middle of the court to either kick it out to an open man or take it to the rim himself.

Utilize his passing ability.

That’s sort of why I want them to put him in that situation. Force him to shoot, make a read or drive to the rim bully style.

I don’t mind at all if Barnes is missing, I just want him to look for his shots.

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On Lowe's recent podcast, his guest had a great story about Barnes during the pre draft process. A coach told each player to visualize themselves scoring 25 points and then to go out on the practice court and score those 25 points you visualized. Scottie had a difficult time doing this and actually asked if assists would count towards his 25 points. His default mentality is to defer and create for others. It's a positive sign that he's taking as many shots as he has for, but it's also no surprise that Nurse is telling him to shoot more because it's not in his nature to look for his own.

not surprising, considering his college high was 21 points.

right now barnes is like perfectly suited in the short roll role, or really be used in any actions where he gets the ball near the nail and can use his vision to hit the open man whilst having the drive still be a threat since he's like one step away from the rim (for him). personally i think that 's the best way to get him involved in a lot of plays and still lets him develop his decision making until he improves his ability to create on-ball, which will happen in the offseason.

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I’m assuming that team draft rating also goes back to the…Colangelo era! Trying to remember here, Ross/JV/Barfs. Not bad, I guess.

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I’m assuming that team draft rating also goes back to the…Colangelo era! Trying to remember here, Ross/JV/Barfs. Not bad, I guess.

It says for the past 12 years so I guess it might also include Demar. Not Bargs tho

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I’m assuming that team draft rating also goes back to the…Colangelo era! Trying to remember here, Ross/JV/Barfs. Not bad, I guess.

It says for the past 12 years so I guess it might also include Demar. Not Bargs tho

Oh snap how did I forget about Demar lol. Only the greatest player of the past 12 years

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This high-key don't even surprise me, at all. We know what we have here in terms of leadership, development and coaching.