Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread

[Morse Code]

Aye man, we letting Grayson Allen drop 26 on us.

Our halfcourt defence is still ass. Our defence is meh in general. I rather pay a 3&D player who's a step below OG on a fraction of the price vs paying OG a 9 figure deal.

og/siakam/barnes are next year's problem. this year its the guards and the bench.

It'll all continue to be a problem as long as Masai keeps refusing to rebuild.

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[tecumseh18]

when did I say Koloko is "the source of the Raptors' problems going forward"

you posted that the FO was 'punting' FRP clearly implying there was better talent that could've been drafted instead of koloko. is there actual substance behind this thought or is this another mindless post about superstar kessler.

My original quote meant that we should have packaged that FRP for an upgrade on a starter. That's all I was saying. I'm not going to defend something I didn't say.

I exaggerated your point for humourous effect, because I'm sick of this slant.

Raptors drafted a point forward who was good enough to be ROY in one of the strongest drafts in NBA history. Raptors traded a #20 - i.e. Bruno territory - pick for a highly regarded, mature veteran point forward to mentor the rook, and for the ability to draft the guy they probably wanted all along in 2022 (Koloko). End of fricken' story, unless you think the corpse of Eric Gordon would have put us over the top against the Sixers, then the Celtics, then the Warriors.

[PhilBlackson]

og/siakam/barnes are next year's problem. this year its the guards and the bench.

It'll all continue to be a problem as long as Masai keeps refusing to rebuild.

we're 9.5 games back of the first spot in the tankathon wars. even if we traded all our starters we're not catching up to that group. best thing would be to trade trent as he is a flight risk, sit fvv with his injuries and let everyone else play it out.
we're 7th pick right now; can try to get to 5th and hope we're lucky in the lottery.

Being somewhere 5-7 IS good enough (if you were implying it's not). We don't NEED to "hope we're lucky in the lottery" to move up, that's the bs anti-tankers think it's all about, when it's not. If it happens that's EVEN BETTER obviously but even in that 5-7th range in a loaded draft there is a TON of potential to add a player with all-star level potential for essentially nothing but given up on a funky, weird season that isn't going to yield you that kind of results you wanted anyways...at least getting a high pick you have something to show for it that can also (potentially vastly) improve your ceiling moving forward vs treading water for the sake of foolish pride.

[agkagk]

It'll all continue to be a problem as long as Masai keeps refusing to rebuild.

we're 9.5 games back of the first spot in the tankathon wars. even if we traded all our starters we're not catching up to that group. best thing would be to trade trent as he is a flight risk, sit fvv with his injuries and let everyone else play it out.
we're 7th pick right now; can try to get to 5th and hope we're lucky in the lottery.

Being somewhere 5-7 IS good enough (if you were implying it's not). We don't NEED to "hope we're lucky in the lottery" to move up, that's the bs anti-tankers think it's all about, when it's not. If it happens that's EVEN BETTER obviously but even in that 5-7th range in a loaded draft there is a TON of potential to add a player with all-star level potential for essentially nothing but given up on a funky, weird season that isn't going to yield you that kind of results you wanted anyways...at least getting a high pick you have something to show for it that can also (potentially vastly) improve your ceiling moving forward vs treading water for the sake of foolish pride.

Winning begets winning losing begets losing. Not foolish pride.

The continued development of our core 7 guys is worth more then you think.

[PhilBlackson]

we're 9.5 games back of the first spot in the tankathon wars. even if we traded all our starters we're not catching up to that group. best thing would be to trade trent as he is a flight risk, sit fvv with his injuries and let everyone else play it out.
we're 7th pick right now; can try to get to 5th and hope we're lucky in the lottery.

Being somewhere 5-7 IS good enough (if you were implying it's not). We don't NEED to "hope we're lucky in the lottery" to move up, that's the bs anti-tankers think it's all about, when it's not. If it happens that's EVEN BETTER obviously but even in that 5-7th range in a loaded draft there is a TON of potential to add a player with all-star level potential for essentially nothing but given up on a funky, weird season that isn't going to yield you that kind of results you wanted anyways...at least getting a high pick you have something to show for it that can also (potentially vastly) improve your ceiling moving forward vs treading water for the sake of foolish pride.

Winning begets winning losing begets losing. Not foolish pride.

The continued development of our core 7 guys is worth more then you think.

Oh yes in fairytale land as long as we simply value winning & push forward it's a cure all for whatever poor roster construction and lack of talent we have. Hilarious as well you believe a lottery team has 7 guys you believe are "core" players.

Brilliant insight as usual from you.

[anotherhomer]

I think pistons, rockets and hornets are tanking

[Wise80]

Just a thought. To the people that say rebuilding is a crap shoot and that you can be stuck in it for 5+ years and that you never know. I agree with that, but I also think that's starting from scratch.

Its hypothetical, but If you tear it down and trade og, Pascal, and Fred. You would be stock piling a lot of potential. If you landed Simons, Daniels, Lakers pick or Murphy, and a few future picks. That wouldn't be a bad starting off point.

Simons
Trent
Murphy
Barnes
Our lottery pick from this year
Daniels on the bench

It could blow up and we'd suck for a long time. But I like our chances of getting back to where we are right now in a very short time (except with a way younger core, extra future picks, and cap space).

Obviously there are internal conversations and I'm sure masai knows about the chances of retaining Pascal and og. But if you go the tinkering route and shuffle some pieces around and it backfires next year, then there is a chance you could lose Pascal and og for nothing or you're trading them for pennies on the dollar during next year's trade deadline. Now that's a setback.

[agkagk]

Being somewhere 5-7 IS good enough (if you were implying it's not). We don't NEED to "hope we're lucky in the lottery" to move up, that's the bs anti-tankers think it's all about, when it's not. If it happens that's EVEN BETTER obviously but even in that 5-7th range in a loaded draft there is a TON of potential to add a player with all-star level potential for essentially nothing but given up on a funky, weird season that isn't going to yield you that kind of results you wanted anyways...at least getting a high pick you have something to show for it that can also (potentially vastly) improve your ceiling moving forward vs treading water for the sake of foolish pride.

Winning begets winning losing begets losing. Not foolish pride.

The continued development of our core 7 guys is worth more then you think.

Oh yes in fairytale land as long as we simply value winning & push forward it's a cure all for whatever poor roster construction and lack of talent we have. Hilarious as well you believe a lottery team has 7 guys you believe are "core" players.

Brilliant insight as usual from you.

One post you’re ranting about how we need to blow it up because players are fighting and unhappy. The next you diminish the importance of culture and winning.

News flash kid, winning begets a positive culture, losing destroys it.

The development of Scottie, Trent, precious etc is important to our future. We aren’t out tanking 6 - 8 terrible teams.

Keeping Fred, pascal etc happy and motivated is important.

Hoping to get lucky and move up from 9 - 15 In the draft to 5 - 8 isn’t a huge success it’s an epic failure and would be incredibly stupid to consider that a success.

Your ranting misrepresentations of what I wrote are just stupid and childish. Fairy tale land? Learn how to talk and communicate like an adult.

You probably think Sam hinkie was a successful gm.

[HumbleRen]

Winning begets winning losing begets losing. Not foolish pride.

The continued development of our core 7 guys is worth more then you think.

Oh yes in fairytale land as long as we simply value winning & push forward it's a cure all for whatever poor roster construction and lack of talent we have. Hilarious as well you believe a lottery team has 7 guys you believe are "core" players.

Brilliant insight as usual from you.

One post you’re ranting about how we need to blow it up because players are fighting and unhappy. The next you diminish the importance of culture and winning.

News flash kid, winning begets a positive culture, losing destroys it.

The development of Scottie, Trent, precious etc is important to our future. We aren’t out tanking 6 - 8 terrible teams.

Keeping Fred, pascal etc happy and motivated is important.

Hoping to get lucky and move up from 9 - 15 In the draft to 5 - 8 isn’t a huge success it’s an epic failure and would be incredibly stupid to consider that a success.

Your ranting misrepresentations of what I wrote are just stupid and childish. Fairy tale land? Learn how to talk and communicate like an adult.

You probably think Sam hinkie was a successful gm.

This entire post just ignores the complete reality of the situation.

[agkagk]

Oh yes in fairytale land as long as we simply value winning & push forward it's a cure all for whatever poor roster construction and lack of talent we have. Hilarious as well you believe a lottery team has 7 guys you believe are "core" players.

Brilliant insight as usual from you.

One post you’re ranting about how we need to blow it up because players are fighting and unhappy. The next you diminish the importance of culture and winning.

News flash kid, winning begets a positive culture, losing destroys it.

The development of Scottie, Trent, precious etc is important to our future. We aren’t out tanking 6 - 8 terrible teams.

Keeping Fred, pascal etc happy and motivated is important.

Hoping to get lucky and move up from 9 - 15 In the draft to 5 - 8 isn’t a huge success it’s an epic failure and would be incredibly stupid to consider that a success.

Your ranting misrepresentations of what I wrote are just stupid and childish. Fairy tale land? Learn how to talk and communicate like an adult.

You probably think Sam hinkie was a successful gm.

This entire post just ignores the complete reality of the situation.

Only if you have the life experience and basketball knowledge of a peanut.

[HumbleRen]

One post you’re ranting about how we need to blow it up because players are fighting and unhappy. The next you diminish the importance of culture and winning.

News flash kid, winning begets a positive culture, losing destroys it.

The development of Scottie, Trent, precious etc is important to our future. We aren’t out tanking 6 - 8 terrible teams.

Keeping Fred, pascal etc happy and motivated is important.

Hoping to get lucky and move up from 9 - 15 In the draft to 5 - 8 isn’t a huge success it’s an epic failure and would be incredibly stupid to consider that a success.

Your ranting misrepresentations of what I wrote are just stupid and childish. Fairy tale land? Learn how to talk and communicate like an adult.

You probably think Sam hinkie was a successful gm.

This entire post just ignores the complete reality of the situation.

Only if you have the life experience and basketball knowledge of a peanut.

No, it sounds more like you're scared of the future that doesn't include any core guys from the "good ol days".

This team is capped out with a bunch of players who don't compliment each other. It's mediocrity at it's finest.

Tf do we have to keep FVV and Pascal happy for ? They're in their primes and can't lift a team above .500.

[JB7]

Read on Twitter

If Spurs are asking for 2 FRPs for Poeltl, a Siakam for Simons, Sharpe and 2 FRPs seems completely reasonable.

[mtcan]

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If Spurs are asking for 2 FRPs for Poeltl, a Siakam for Simons, Sharpe and 2 FRPs seems completely reasonable.

Sharpe, 2 first round picks is what you want for OG.

Simons, Sharpe, 3 first round picks and swaps is what you want for Siakam.

[Morse Code]

you posted that the FO was 'punting' FRP clearly implying there was better talent that could've been drafted instead of koloko. is there actual substance behind this thought or is this another mindless post about superstar kessler.

My original quote meant that we should have packaged that FRP for an upgrade on a starter. That's all I was saying. I'm not going to defend something I didn't say.

I exaggerated your point for humourous effect, because I'm sick of this slant.

Raptors drafted a point forward who was good enough to be ROY in one of the strongest drafts in NBA history. Raptors traded a #20 - i.e. Bruno territory - pick for a highly regarded, mature veteran point forward to mentor the rook, and for the ability to draft the guy they probably wanted all along in 2022 (Koloko). End of fricken' story, unless you think the corpse of Eric Gordon would have put us over the top against the Sixers, then the Celtics, then the Warriors.

This is disingenuous asf. Bruno territory is biased. You know who else was drafted at 20?

Zydrunas Ilgauskas

Speedy Claxton

Brendan Haywood

Kareem Rush

Renaldo Balkman

Not to mention guys picked at 21:

Rajon Rondo

Darren Collison

Ryan Anderson

Nate Robinson

Boris Diaw

Mo Pete


Etc.

Really not fair to qualify a pick slot based on arguably our biggest draft blunder ever. Also, Thad is not a point forward lol and if he was brought here to mentor Scottie in the ways of point forward then he has failed because you could argue Scottie hasn’t improved in that area, yet, and I don’t exactly think Scottie and Thad are close like that.

Would you trade any of those above mentioned players for the privilege of overpaying Thad? I wouldn’t. Koloko is a fine pick, but let’s not act like that was a good trade.

[JB7]

Read on Twitter

If Spurs are asking for 2 FRPs for Poeltl, a Siakam for Simons, Sharpe and 2 FRPs seems completely reasonable.

Sharpe, 2 first round picks is what you want for OG.

Simons, Sharpe, 3 first round picks and swaps is what you want for Siakam.

OG is still within the age range that he could form part of the future core. Siakam is the one to deal. He can both get the team more out of the deal, and moving him creates greater opportunities for players like Barnes, OG, Sharpe and Simons.

And sure, 3 FRPs along with Simons and Sharpe for Pascal sounds good

[PhilBlackson]

Winning begets winning losing begets losing. Not foolish pride.

The continued development of our core 7 guys is worth more then you think.

Oh yes in fairytale land as long as we simply value winning & push forward it's a cure all for whatever poor roster construction and lack of talent we have. Hilarious as well you believe a lottery team has 7 guys you believe are "core" players.

Brilliant insight as usual from you.

One post you’re ranting about how we need to blow it up because players are fighting and unhappy. The next you finish the importance of culture and winning.

Fairytale land? Learn how to talk!

News flash kid, winning begets a positive culture, losing destroys it.

The development of Scottie, Trent, precious etc is important to our future. We aren’t out tanking 6 - 8 terrible teams.

Keeping Fred, pascal etc happy and motivated is important.

Hoping to get lucky and move up from 9 - 15 In the draft to 5 - 8 isn’t a huge success it’s an epic failure and would be incredibly stupid to consider that a success.

You probably think Sam hinkie was a successful gm.

As usual you don't have the slightest of clues of what you're even talking about lol you by FAR have one of THE lowest comprehension levels on this board & by a lot...

I have NEVER said "blow it up" (go find that quote, I'll wait). What I've said is to trade Fred & Gary to allow the team to tank in the standings & secure a top 6-7 pick and claiming I've said anything about the "importance of winning culture etc" is just flat out dumb lies/trollin lol

What's funnier is you go on to say to "move up", oh no little boy we don't need to "move up" we ARE in SEVENTH and have been in that position (or lower) for several weeks now. If we trade away our best shooters from an already horrible shooting team that AGAIN is ALREADY 7th " in the draft going into it's toughest stretch of the season, it's VERY easy & attainable to remain within that top 6-7 nevermind likely move up. Hold yet another L...

News flash --- the Warriors tanked & then won another championship *crickets*, they could tank again this season & still be able to contend again next year. So no losing for a season or too doesn't just evaporate this supposed "winning attitude" so moving on from yet another failed "point" you THOUGHT (and failed) to make. I could understand being concerned about Pascal but IT 2.0, Fred?! lol keep that homerism to yourself.

Being 5-8 in a draft is an epic failure?! So if you ended up with Steph Curry, Dame Lillard, Darius Garland, Ben Mathurin, Franz Wagner, Trae Young, Lauri Markannen, Jamal Murray etc. We won't even mention the guys that they could've picked in that range that you miss out on by making a meaningless Playoff run ie/ Giannis, Kawhi, PG, Booker, SGA but those would be "epic failures" right?! Oh no actually the only epic failure(s) is your posting.

Throwing out Hinkie only shows what a casual you are when he hadn't had a chance to even follow up & make the draft selections but rather Colangelo fumbled a treasure trove. PHI due to his work could've had Tatum, Ingram, Bridges, Embiid all on the same team nvm all the assets to still be able to trade for guys like Butler and Harden which it wouldn't have mattered even in the slightest that they had lost for years prior but please embarrass yourself with more failed "logic". I told you I genuinely get a good chuckle from your incoherent posting...

[agkagk]

This entire post just ignores the complete reality of the situation.

Only if you have the life experience and basketball knowledge of a peanut.

No, it sounds more like you're scared of the future that doesn't include any core guys from the "good ol days".

This team is capped out with a bunch of players who don't compliment each other. It's mediocrity at it's finest.

Tf do we have to keep FVV and Pascal happy for ? They're in their primes and can't lift a team above .500.

The roster construction sucks, get them the right compliment of players makes more sense than gut the team to try and “get lucky” to move up to 5-7 in the draft.

[TGM]

Luka wants the Mav’s to upgrade. OG and a Boucher would be great additions for them. Good contracts young and add both defensive and offensive elements. I feel this is a team to watch out where we could get the unprotected picks and pick swaps. Dallas owns most of their picks and if you are going to bet on a team that might have a bad year you do it with teams like Dallas where one injury to Luka changes the entire fortunes of the team. Maybe this sounds crazy but we have a way to revitalise Betrans. He is definitely negative value hence the big haul, but might fit our team.

[agkagk]

Oh yes in fairytale land as long as we simply value winning & push forward it's a cure all for whatever poor roster construction and lack of talent we have. Hilarious as well you believe a lottery team has 7 guys you believe are "core" players.

Brilliant insight as usual from you.

One post you’re ranting about how we need to blow it up because players are fighting and unhappy. The next you finish the importance of culture and winning.

Fairytale land? Learn how to talk!

News flash kid, winning begets a positive culture, losing destroys it.

The development of Scottie, Trent, precious etc is important to our future. We aren’t out tanking 6 - 8 terrible teams.

Keeping Fred, pascal etc happy and motivated is important.

Hoping to get lucky and move up from 9 - 15 In the draft to 5 - 8 isn’t a huge success it’s an epic failure and would be incredibly stupid to consider that a success.

You probably think Sam hinkie was a successful gm.

As usual you don't have the slightest of clues of what you're even talking about lol you by FAR have one of THE lowest comprehension levels on this board & by a lot...

I have NEVER said "blow it up" (go find that quote, I'll wait). What I've said is to trade Fred & Gary to allow the team to tank in the standings & secure a top 6-7 pick and claiming I've said anything about the "importance of winning culture etc" is just flat out dumb lies/trollin lol

What's funnier is you go on to say to "move up", oh no little boy we don't need to "move up" we ARE in SEVENTH and have been in that position (or lower) for several weeks now. If we trade away our best shooters from an already horrible shooting team that AGAIN is ALREADY 7th " in the draft going into it's toughest stretch of the season, it's VERY easy & attainable to remain within that top 6-7 nevermind likely move up. Hold yet another L...

News flash --- the Warriors tanked & then won another championship *crickets*, they could tank again this season & still be able to contend again next year. So no losing for a season or too doesn't just evaporate this supposed "winning attitude" so moving on from yet another failed "point" you THOUGHT (and failed) to make. I could understand being concerned about Pascal but IT 2.0, Fred?! lol keep that homerism to yourself.

Being 5-8 in a draft is an epic failure?! So if you ended up with Steph Curry, Dame Lillard, Darius Garland, Ben Mathurin, Franz Wagner, Trae Young, Lauri Markannen, Jamal Murray etc. We won't even mention the guys that they could've picked in that range that you miss out on by making a meaningless Playoff run ie/ Giannis, Kawhi, PG, Booker, SGA but those would be "epic failures" right?! Oh no actually the only epic failure(s) is your posting.

Throwing out Hinkie only shows what a casual you are when he hadn't had a chance to even follow up & make the draft selections but rather Colangelo fumbled a treasure trove. PHI due to his work could've had Tatum, Ingram, Bridges, Embiid all on the same team nvm all the assets to still be able to trade for guys like Butler and Harden which it wouldn't have mattered even in the slightest that they had lost for years prior but please embarrass yourself with more failed "logic". I told you I genuinely get a good chuckle from your incoherent posting...

Holy verbal diarrhea. Toxic too.

We’re not out tanking the worst 6 - 8 teams in the league. Basic math skills would tell you that.

Gutting the team “to get lucky” and draft 5 - 7th is stupid.

“We could draft steph curry man” — now you’re thinking!

Have you learned what a rim runner is yet?

[DreamTeam09]

og/siakam/barnes are next year's problem. this year its the guards and the bench.

It'll all continue to be a problem as long as Masai keeps refusing to rebuild.

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Are we not currently in a rebuild?