2023 Draft Discussion Part 5

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Negative DBPM is a huge pass for me. Can anyone find a successful NBA player with a negative DBPM in college?

Success is > 5 years in league.

Then his OBPM is only 1.9.

I am shocked Raptors would even work him out but due diligence I guess.

He does not have a ton of experience playing organized basketball and ditched the sport entirely when he was younger to focus on playing saxophone. Even though he is 20 soon to be 21 he is like 3 years behind most other players in terms of development and managed to put up a .567 TS% as the #1 guy on his team. His ftR jumped by nearly 0.1 from year 1 to year 2. The defense was bad but the question is, why? Is he really that bad at defending or unwilling or does he just not really understand things he can be taught because he clearly has the body and athleticism to be at the very least an adequate defender, which is all you need from him given his offensive upside.

[WuTang_CMB]

Guy looks 30 already

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[PhilBlackson]

FML!!

I just scrolled through my gram, not sure how legit the source is for the "globalscouting" BUT....the page says that "multiple scouts & agents believe that THE THUNDER HAVE THEIR EYES SET ON FRANCE'S BILAL COULIBALY AT NO.12"

Yeah with this dumb ass Play In push season, that sounds about f*cking right lol smdh

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FML!!

I just scrolled through my gram, not sure how legit the source is for the "globalscouting" BUT....the page says that "multiple scouts & agents believe that THE THUNDER HAVE THEIR EYES SET ON FRANCE'S BILAL COULIBALY AT NO.12"

Yeah with this dumb ass Play In push season, that sounds about f*cking right lol smdh

He is exactly the kind of pick they make. They can wait a few years for him to develop. He can speak with Dort. Maybe trade them Boucher and cash for Isaiah Joe?

[Dalek]

Joh Hollinger's Athletics article ranks the top 20 players in the draft:

T1
1. Wemby

T2
2. Scoot
3. Cam Whitmore
4. Brandon Miller
5. Anthony Black
Black reminds me of Jason Kidd at times, a big, smart, defensively active guard who impacts winning in so many other areas that the lack of a jump shot becomes secondary. Black is also among the younger players in this cohort, with an early 2004 birthdate, and thus time is on his side when it comes to finding his stroke.

T3
6. Amen
Overtime Elite played one real game against another professional team, versus the Adelaide 36ers of the Australian NBL in October. They lost, but Amen was the best player on the floor with 17 points, eight rebounds and five assists.

Fortunately, the eye test makes it easy to take the plunge here. Amen is 6-7, can handle the ball, jumps out of the gym and sees the floor. This is the exact thing every team in the league is moving heaven and earth to acquire: elite athletes with size who can handle and pass.
7. Ausar

T4
8. Lively
9. Hendricks
10. Bufkin
11. Dick
12. Jarace Walker
13. Cason Wallace
The issue with Wallace — one that scouts related to me as well — is what his medical report from the NBA Draft Combine will say. Wallace was impacted by several injuries this past season, including a back injury that you don’t usually see with 19-year-olds; at virtually any point in the season, you can see him wrapped up like a mummy while he takes the court.

His defensive clips, in particular, get notably worse as the season goes on, and he started to look very stiff by the end.

14. Dariq Whitehead
15. Noah Clowney

T5
16. Jaime Jaquez
17. Bilal
18. Sasser
19. Leonard Miller
20. Hawkins

Sleepers:
Trey Alexander
Podz

https://theathletic.com/4520965/2023/05/16/nba-draft-2023-hollinger-top-20-prospects/?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

I am pretty scared off of Wallace based on what Hollinger is reporting. Sore back is one thing, but to see a steady decline from him seems worrisome.

[niQ]

FML!!

I just scrolled through my gram, not sure how legit the source is for the "globalscouting" BUT....the page says that "multiple scouts & agents believe that THE THUNDER HAVE THEIR EYES SET ON FRANCE'S BILAL COULIBALY AT NO.12"

Yeah with this dumb ass Play In push season, that sounds about f*cking right lol smdh

He is exactly the kind of pick they make. They can wait a few years for him to develop. He can speak with Dort. Maybe trade them Boucher and cash for Isaiah Joe?

Josh Giddey, Ousmane Dieng, Bilal Coulibaly, Poku, and Chet Holmgren gonna be quite the line up.

[PhilBlackson]

FML!!

I just scrolled through my gram, not sure how legit the source is for the "globalscouting" BUT....the page says that "multiple scouts & agents believe that THE THUNDER HAVE THEIR EYES SET ON FRANCE'S BILAL COULIBALY AT NO.12"

Yeah with this dumb ass Play In push season, that sounds about f*cking right lol smdh

He is exactly the kind of pick they make. They can wait a few years for him to develop. He can speak with Dort. Maybe trade them Boucher and cash for Isaiah Joe?

Yup which was exactly my fear from day 1 after looking more into Bilal...it would just figure with how annoying this season has been in general.

[HumbleRen]

Ousmane Dieng was essentially the Bilal of last years draft.

OKC is definitely picking him if he does well in his work outs with them

[ArthurVandelay]

FML!!

I just scrolled through my gram, not sure how legit the source is for the "globalscouting" BUT....the page says that "multiple scouts & agents believe that THE THUNDER HAVE THEIR EYES SET ON FRANCE'S BILAL COULIBALY AT NO.12"

Yeah with this dumb ass Play In push season, that sounds about f*cking right lol smdh

That would make me quite sad

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Joh Hollinger's Athletics article ranks the top 20 players in the draft:

T1
1. Wemby

T2
2. Scoot
3. Cam Whitmore
4. Brandon Miller
5. Anthony Black
Black reminds me of Jason Kidd at times, a big, smart, defensively active guard who impacts winning in so many other areas that the lack of a jump shot becomes secondary. Black is also among the younger players in this cohort, with an early 2004 birthdate, and thus time is on his side when it comes to finding his stroke.

T3
6. Amen
Overtime Elite played one real game against another professional team, versus the Adelaide 36ers of the Australian NBL in October. They lost, but Amen was the best player on the floor with 17 points, eight rebounds and five assists.

Fortunately, the eye test makes it easy to take the plunge here. Amen is 6-7, can handle the ball, jumps out of the gym and sees the floor. This is the exact thing every team in the league is moving heaven and earth to acquire: elite athletes with size who can handle and pass.
7. Ausar

T4
8. Lively
9. Hendricks
10. Bufkin
11. Dick
12. Jarace Walker
13. Cason Wallace
The issue with Wallace — one that scouts related to me as well — is what his medical report from the NBA Draft Combine will say. Wallace was impacted by several injuries this past season, including a back injury that you don’t usually see with 19-year-olds; at virtually any point in the season, you can see him wrapped up like a mummy while he takes the court.

His defensive clips, in particular, get notably worse as the season goes on, and he started to look very stiff by the end.

14. Dariq Whitehead
15. Noah Clowney

T5
16. Jaime Jaquez
17. Bilal
18. Sasser
19. Leonard Miller
20. Hawkins

Sleepers:
Trey Alexander
Podz

https://theathletic.com/4520965/2023/05/16/nba-draft-2023-hollinger-top-20-prospects/?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

I am pretty scared off of Wallace based on what Hollinger is reporting. Sore back is one thing, but to see a steady decline from him seems worrisome.

Nice to see him giving Sasser some love at 18. I don't understand if Hollinger is implying that the medical reports on Cason are bad or that his stock is simply dependent upon the medical report.

[WuTang_CMB]

OKC playing the long game if they go with Bilal. Going to be hard though to develop all those guys. Plus they love Isiah Joe

Stil think Leonard is the right pick for them

[HumbleRen]

Back issues are a stay away, especially for guards.

[Rapsfan07]

I don't think we should be looking at Coulibaly at ALL with #13. Maybe not even with extra picks that we may acquire.

He may turn into something later but we have enough of these lengthy, non skilled guys. We don't need any more.

What we need is some guards who can create their own shot and put pressure on the rim offensively and preferably can actually dunk the basketball (when was the last time we had a PG that could actually dunk? lol)

But yeah, enough of these toolsy forwards. Let's get a scoring guard.

He’ll be a scoring wing/guard eventually with incredible size. He is not and will not be a PF or big.

Perhaps but I'm not as willing to make that bet as I once was. Especially with other players available late that are more likely to become contributors IMO

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[billy_hoyle]

Back issues are a stay away, especially for guards.

What guards with back issues are you infering?

[Raptorfan2012]

FML!!

I just scrolled through my gram, not sure how legit the source is for the "globalscouting" BUT....the page says that "multiple scouts & agents believe that THE THUNDER HAVE THEIR EYES SET ON FRANCE'S BILAL COULIBALY AT NO.12"

Yeah with this dumb ass Play In push season, that sounds about f*cking right lol smdh

That would make me quite sad

Nah, that will mean someone else can drop to us. I’m not willing to gamble on Bill but wouldn’t mind him if we got a latter first round pick