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Tank World Order (The Remix Vol. IV)

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Re: Tank World Order (The Remix Vol. IV) 

Post#841 » by 720 » Tue Jan 30, 2024 6:24 pm

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Tor_Raps wrote:I honestly think we can become bottom 3 (not catching Detroit or Washington) if we tank right. Trade Brown/Schroder/Trent/Boucher byt I guess we'll see for sure after the deadline.


That's just bad juju. Who on the MLSE board can stomach a bottom 3 finish this year and another bottom 6 finish next year?

I'm as pro tank as they come but there are limits to this - Sam Hinkie limits


This has nothing to do with Hinkie limits. If you can find a way to finish top 3 this year and keep our lotto pick next year you do it. We’re not close to competing.
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Re: Tank World Order (The Remix Vol. IV) 

Post#842 » by YogurtProducer » Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:07 pm

DelAbbot wrote:Just to be clear - I still support multi-year natural tanking but I DON'T agree with purposefully tanking bottom 5 every year until 2026 just so we don't convey the FRP to Spurs - that's the Sam-Hinkie-special or soon to be the Masai-special

I can get on board with a 2025 tank regardless of if he convey this year or not.

MLSE probably would be fine with it to as this season feels like a half-measured tank and the trades and new acquisitions probably have kept enough eyeballs watching.

Trade away Brown for Grimes/1st, Poeltl to whoever for ????, Schroder to LAL, Boucher is whoever, etc. and roll into 2025 with

IQ/
Grimes/Dick
RJ/Nwora
Barnes/
Porter/

Plus the 3/4 guys you draft or sign this off-season and tank again. The key is to just make sure we keep a gaping center hole, and have depth players who are rookies/unproven so we lose every time the starters sit. We don't need to tank for #1, but if we could add a top 6 pick this year, and a top 10 pick in 2025 we can be a bit more aggressive going into 2026
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Re: Tank World Order (The Remix Vol. IV) 

Post#843 » by WuTang_CMB » Wed Jan 31, 2024 2:39 am

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Re: Tank World Order (The Remix Vol. IV) 

Post#844 » by WuTang_CMB » Wed Jan 31, 2024 9:01 pm

Currently at 17-30 Record

Looking at the rest of the season, with our roster fully healthy, I got another 16 wins give or take , if we beat teams we can beat

That's 33-49 record and likely out of the play in

Last year 33 win team was 5th last in the NBA

It's going to be close to be the 6th worst , assuming teams ahead of us dont out tank us
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Post#845 » by 2019nbachamps » Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:37 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:Currently at 17-30 Record

Looking at the rest of the season, with our roster fully healthy, I got another 16 wins give or take , if we beat teams we can beat

That's 33-49 record and likely out of the play in

Last year 33 win team was 5th last in the NBA

It's going to be close to be the 6th worst , assuming teams ahead of us dont out tank us


I think we’ll end up with fewer wins due to player apathy kicking in, plus we’re weaker than at the start of the season, and players resting/getting fewer minutes. At some point our main guys will stop caring and begin planning for the offseason.
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Re: Tank World Order (The Remix Vol. IV) 

Post#846 » by WuTang_CMB » Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:45 pm

2019nbachamps wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:Currently at 17-30 Record

Looking at the rest of the season, with our roster fully healthy, I got another 16 wins give or take , if we beat teams we can beat

That's 33-49 record and likely out of the play in

Last year 33 win team was 5th last in the NBA

It's going to be close to be the 6th worst , assuming teams ahead of us dont out tank us


I think we’ll end up with fewer wins due to player apathy kicking in, plus we’re weaker than at the start of the season, and players resting/getting fewer minutes. At some point our main guys will stop caring and begin planning for the offseason.


It will definitely be less if we start resting our main guys down the stretch. 33 wins was just a safe / realistic projection if they dont rest guys and just develop guys as we've been doing since the siakam trade

unless this team catches lighting in a bottle which is unlikely, we better hope the lottery is good to us and we keep our pick.
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Re: Tank World Order (The Remix Vol. IV) 

Post#847 » by LoveMyRaps » Thu Feb 1, 2024 5:39 am

Huge win for the Blazers against the Bucks.

They can easily pass us in the standings.
We need to sit down and/or trade the likes of Brown, Poeltl, Trent, Schroder to make sure we lock down the 5th best lottery odds.
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Post#848 » by GoRapstheoriginal » Thu Feb 1, 2024 5:39 am

YYYYYYYYASSS BLAZERS! OT: when is Sharpe back for them?
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Post#849 » by mihaic » Thu Feb 1, 2024 5:41 am

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Re: Tank World Order (The Remix Vol. IV) 

Post#850 » by SpezNc » Thu Feb 1, 2024 5:48 am

LoveMyRaps wrote:Huge win for the Blazers against the Bucks.

They can easily pass us in the standings.
We need to sit down and/or trade the likes of Brown, Poeltl, Trent, Schroder to make sure we lock down the 5th best lottery odds.


When I think we were losing by 16 against the Bull but end up winning.

This Blazers win is making things interesting
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Re: Tank World Order (The Remix Vol. IV) 

Post#851 » by CazOnReal » Thu Feb 1, 2024 6:13 am

Poeltl is already out - and seemingly longer than originally anticipated - but are we really expecting trading Dennis and Brown to make the team bad enough to guarantee jumping Portland? They have the 6th toughest SOS whereas we have a bottom 5 SOS if i'm remembering correctly.

I also question trading Poeltl and Trent, both of whom fulfill a role on this team, unless you can acquire a young center that fits this new timeline; frankly trading Trent is sacrificing spacing in the hopes that Dick becomes a better player than Gary is (at least in the role of spotup 3-point shooter) and that's not a guarantee. It makes much more sense to re-sign Trent than trade him as an expiring/rental when the return will be pennies on the dollar.
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Re: Tank World Order (The Remix Vol. IV) 

Post#852 » by Purple+Black » Thu Feb 1, 2024 6:21 am

CazOnReal wrote:Poeltl is already out - and seemingly longer than originally anticipated - but are we really expecting trading Dennis and Brown to make the team bad enough to guarantee jumping Portland? They have the 6th toughest SOS whereas we have a bottom 5 SOS if i'm remembering correctly.

I also question trading Poeltl and Trent, both of whom fulfill a role on this team, unless you can acquire a young center that fits this new timeline; frankly trading Trent is sacrificing spacing in the hopes that Dick becomes a better player than Gary is (at least in the role of spotup 3-point shooter) and that's not a guarantee. It makes much more sense to re-sign Trent than trade him as an expiring/rental when the return will be pennies on the dollar.


Can see where you’re coming from but I couldn’t disagree more re. Gary. He’s an extremely one-dimensional and limited player who only excels when in the starting lineup, I would much rather trade him for whatever value we can get and then mould some of our younger prospects to fill that role (and likely those players would be effective off the bench).
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Re: Tank World Order (The Remix Vol. IV) 

Post#853 » by CazOnReal » Thu Feb 1, 2024 6:33 am

Hansari wrote: I would much rather trade him for whatever value we can get and then mould some of our younger prospects to fill that role (and likely those players would be effective off the bench).

You'll be lucky to get 2 2nds for Gary - and that's assuming the accompanying salary isn't a bad contract.

Trading Gary for the sake of it is not getting you a player who can fulfill the same role as he does unless you're attaching picks, it doesn't add to the team's flexibility re: free agency when he's an expiring and the pick(s) one would get by moving him are unlikely to become as valuable as Trent currently is as a bucket getter and floor spacer. Moreover, this ignores that Gary isn't unable to change or grow as a player; people oft bring up the Norm trade that led to us getting him and compare him to who Powell is now but it's important to remember than 24 year old Trent is a straight up better player than 24 year old Norm was.

Powell didn't become the player he is over night and it's wrong to assume Trent can't make improvements in his areas of weakness; i'd argue he's been a far more willing passer (not saying he's pass-happy like Barnes but he isn't stopping the ball as much as he was the past 2 years) and while his defense still relies on gambling, he has his moments on that end, albeit like his shooting it can be inconsistent in terms of the effort. Then again, RJ and Scottie are seemingly the only players who will play defense nowadays and at least Trent can torch opposing teams for leaving him open unlike, say, Boucher/

Quite frankly, the opportunity cost of a Trent trade - unless it's of the "Trent plus a pick(s)" to acquire a better player on a long-term deal - doesn't help the team become notably better in the short nor long-term.
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Re: Tank World Order (The Remix Vol. IV) 

Post#854 » by bboyskinnylegs » Thu Feb 1, 2024 11:24 am

2.5 games behind the Blazers. Memphis and Brooklyn still a threat.
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Re: Tank World Order (The Remix Vol. IV) 

Post#855 » by Bruin » Fri Feb 2, 2024 2:12 am

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Re: Tank World Order (The Remix Vol. IV) 

Post#856 » by RoteSchroder » Fri Feb 2, 2024 2:40 am

720 wrote:This has nothing to do with Hinkie limits. If you can find a way to finish top 3 this year and keep our lotto pick next year you do it. We’re not close to competing.


Unless we trade Poeltl and find no solutions at C, this team fully healthy is probably still a play-in team next year. From the Bulls/Hawks and downwards it's a lot of mediocrity and trash in the Eastern conference. Gotta see if these teams try to retool or rebuild as well.

Also gotta examine the mentality of the personnel. I think there's very little chance the front office, players and coaches go into the season wanting to tank either. Masai's the type to try and build a team in the off-season that can make the playoffs.
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Re: Tank World Order (The Remix Vol. IV) 

Post#857 » by WuTang_CMB » Fri Feb 2, 2024 2:54 am

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Re: Tank World Order (The Remix Vol. IV) 

Post#858 » by Bruin » Fri Feb 2, 2024 2:57 am

Pacers blow a 15 point lead and lose to the Knicks without Randle and OG

Refs tried to save the Pacers but still wasn’t enough


Hopefully Memphis can pull it off too
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Re: Tank World Order (The Remix Vol. IV) 

Post#859 » by WuTang_CMB » Fri Feb 2, 2024 3:00 am

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Re: Tank World Order (The Remix Vol. IV) 

Post#860 » by RoteSchroder » Fri Feb 2, 2024 3:04 am

Bruin wrote:Pacers blow a 15 point lead and lose to the Knicks without Randle and OG

Refs tried to save the Pacers but still wasn’t enough


Hopefully Memphis can pull it off too


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