2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0

[CazOnReal]

Hypothetical -
If the Raptors end up with the 2nd pick, what would it take for you to trade down to the 4th pick?

If it was Brooklyn would you want #4, #18, and #24? too much?

or, for any other team
trade down to #4 ,
get an extra prospect, like Leonard Miller ("mystery level" type of player)
and dump some salary (picking up more favourable contract(s)),

Assuming Cooper Flagg doesn't defer to 2026, no i'm choosing Dylan Harper 2nd.

[tecumseh18]

Hypothetical -
If the Raptors end up with the 2nd pick, what would it take for you to trade down to the 4th pick?

If it was Brooklyn would you want #4, #18, and #24? too much?

or, for any other team
trade down to #4 ,
get an extra prospect, like Leonard Miller ("mystery level" type of player)
and dump some salary (picking up more favourable contract(s)),

With #2 plus the Portland pick, plus Walter, Ochai, Shead, Mogbo, Battle and (sigh) Gradey in the pipeline, I don't care about depth rn. Unless Masai has identified Ace Bailey as some elite Jason Tatum-level rough diamond prospect - and Ace's advanced stats aren't nearly as good as Tatum's were at Duke (which weren't even that great) - then let's go with the more surefire elite prospect.

[CazOnReal]

Real talk: The trade down scenario is very unlikely to happen unless we're in that 3-6 range and the most it will likely yield is a future first with some protection on it. Nice asset to have if you can get it (Maybe a few seconds depending on if it's only moving down from, say, 6th to 7th a la the Wizards/Pacers Coulibaly trade) but not enough to risk the guy you want being off the board.

[Psubs]

Is Demin back in play at #7. I might rather gamble on him than Jak.

[Thaddy]

Is Demin back in play at #7. I might rather gamble on him than Jak.

He isn't a core player he's not good enough athletically. His skills are suspect too.

Richardson is playing tonight and I'd say he's more in play than Demin.

I have Fears / Richardson and Z. Ivisic as my picks now. I feel like the tournament will raise their stock

[Psubs]

KD is an obvious trade target but which swingman would be 2nd?

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Lillard with DVT which essentially tanks the playoffs for the Bucks
Whats the offer for giannis? you know masai will try to make a move

[CazOnReal]

KD is an obvious trade target but which swingman would be 2nd?

Setting aside that KD and BI is a bit redundant (Yes KD is better)...probably LaMelo?

Ball's such a weird trade target to talk about though. He's clearly talented and in a bad situation but he's so frequently injured and he's a poor defender despite having the size and athleticism to be effective on that end, not to mention he's a notoriously poor finisher. On top of that, he's getting paid quite a bit of change to put up big numbers on a bad team so it's a lot trickier to make the money work than one might assume.

[Psubs]

Lillard with DVT which essentially tanks the playoffs for the Bucks
Whats the offer for giannis? you know masai will try to make a move

They would want Scottie, but we say no.

Poeltl, RJ, Dick, #7 and 3 future 1st picks and 3 pick swaps.

Draft Tomislav or another big with #41?

PG IQ - Shead - Jakobe
SG Agbaji - Jakobe - Lawson
SF Ingram - Agbaji - Battle
PF Scottie - Mogbo - Chomche
C Giannis - Tomislav - Chomche

[Psubs]

KD is an obvious trade target but which swingman would be 2nd?

Setting aside that KD and BI is a bit redundant (Yes KD is better)...probably LaMelo?

Ball's such a weird trade target to talk about though. He's clearly talented and in a bad situation but he's so frequently injured and he's a poor defender despite having the size and athleticism to be effective on that end, not to mention he's a notoriously poor finisher. On top of that, he's getting paid quite a bit of change to put up big numbers on a bad team so it's a lot trickier to make the money work than one might assume.

Would you trade IQ for him? Or pair them up?

[sidsid]

Lillard with DVT which essentially tanks the playoffs for the Bucks
Whats the offer for giannis? you know masai will try to make a move

It's the same base package he'll be peddling for any target that isn't a point guard (IQ will be the main in those deals).

Jak+RJ makes the money work. All of our future picks and swaps. For Giannis specifically, add this year's pick as well. If it's a top 2 pick you can probably remove some of the futures. They may want some of the bench depth as well, but that's haggling over scraps.

If our pick isn't in the top 3 I don't think we're in the mix unless the stronger asset teams bow out and they're desperate.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Lillard with DVT which essentially tanks the playoffs for the Bucks
Whats the offer for giannis? you know masai will try to make a move

They would want Scottie, but we say no.

Poeltl, RJ, Dick, #7 and 3 future 1st picks and 3 pick swaps.

Draft Tomislav or another big with #41?

PG IQ - Shead - Jakobe
SG Agbaji - Jakobe - Lawson
SF Ingram - Agbaji - Battle
PF Scottie - Mogbo - Chomche
C Giannis - Tomislav - Chomche

why do we say no to Scottie being traded? they play the same position; you're not doing to Giannis any favors by playing him at center or playing Scottie at 3.
Scottie + 7 + one of our young players should be better than what most teams are offering.
IQ/RJ/Ingram/Giannis/Poeltl very potent starting 5; one of the best in the league.

[sidsid]

Lillard with DVT which essentially tanks the playoffs for the Bucks
Whats the offer for giannis? you know masai will try to make a move

They would want Scottie, but we say no.

Poeltl, RJ, Dick, #7 and 3 future 1st picks and 3 pick swaps.

Draft Tomislav or another big with #41?

PG IQ - Shead - Jakobe
SG Agbaji - Jakobe - Lawson
SF Ingram - Agbaji - Battle
PF Scottie - Mogbo - Chomche
C Giannis - Tomislav - Chomche

why do we say no to Scottie being traded? they play the same position; you're not doing to Giannis any favors by playing him at center or playing Scottie at 3.
Scottie + 7 + one of our young players should be better than what most teams are offering.
IQ/RJ/Ingram/Giannis/Poeltl very potent starting 5; one of the best in the league.

Giannis plays with 4-out shooters. Has for a very long time. You're not pairing him with a non-shooting C who no defense will guard, killing the entire offense.

You're probably finding a KO like guy who can eat the 1st/3rd quarter minutes and then going with your crunch time Giannis/Barnes at the 5/4 lineups, sharing the C matchup.

[CazOnReal]

Trading for Giannis at this stage makes zero sense.

Setting aside that a team like Brooklyn could very easily outbid us, Giannis is a lot more injury prone than people will admit and he probably doesn't give you that long of a window even if you do somehow maintain depth around him in such a hypothetical. Hell, his inability to play next to Dame is a huge red flag for me in terms of pairing up our current roster around him. If he can't make it work with Lillard, what chance do we have with, say, IQ and Scottie, especially when Poeltl and Barnes operate in roughly the same areas of the court?

Would you trade IQ for him? Or pair them up?

Ideally, pair them up and move IQ to the 2 for additional spacing around Scottie (Ball and IQ isn't a tiny backcourt since LaMelo is one of those "jumbo guards" at 6'7). This is ignoring salary matching since i'm pretty sure IQ + our pick works financially whereas RJ - and it would have to be one of RJ or IQ - would need someone else included to make the money work out. Both are good options for a tertiary playmaker that lets Scottie/Ball handle the rock but I give the edge to IQ working better off-ball than Barrett.

Then again, you could just go with RJ and hope he improves defensively to give yourself more size at the 2 in a lineup where the starting 3/4 is an open question i.e. Scottie takes one slot but who starts the other (Walter, Dick or Agbaji?).

[AkelaLoneWolf]

They would want Scottie, but we say no.

Poeltl, RJ, Dick, #7 and 3 future 1st picks and 3 pick swaps.

Draft Tomislav or another big with #41?

PG IQ - Shead - Jakobe
SG Agbaji - Jakobe - Lawson
SF Ingram - Agbaji - Battle
PF Scottie - Mogbo - Chomche
C Giannis - Tomislav - Chomche

why do we say no to Scottie being traded? they play the same position; you're not doing to Giannis any favors by playing him at center or playing Scottie at 3.
Scottie + 7 + one of our young players should be better than what most teams are offering.
IQ/RJ/Ingram/Giannis/Poeltl very potent starting 5; one of the best in the league.

Giannis plays with 4-out shooters. Has for a very long time. You're not pairing him with a non-shooting C who no defense will guard, killing the entire offense.

You're probably finding a KO like guy who can eat the 1st/3rd quarter minutes and then going with your crunch time Giannis/Barnes at the 5/4 lineups, sharing the C matchup.

Scottie sucks at shooting 3s also.
if giannis doesn't fit with poeltl we can trade him too. he's on a good reasonable contract.

[Thaddy]

Barnes + 7 for Giannis is a steal and a half.

Poeltl /
Giannis / Mogbo
Ingram / Agbaji / Battle
Barrett / Dick / Walter
Quickley / Shead

That would be a contender.

[bobbyp3588]

Barnes + 7 for Giannis is a steal and a half.

Poeltl /
Giannis / Mogbo
Ingram / Agbaji / Battle
Barrett / Dick / Walter
Quickley / Shead

That would be a contender.

Likely too much of a steal. Make it Barnes, Dick + 7 and it’s probably closer to fair value. And we’d still be a legit contender. Maybe even better as Ja’Kobe will net many more minutes in Dick’s absence and I think he’s the better player of the two.

[YogurtProducer]

Lillard with DVT which essentially tanks the playoffs for the Bucks
Whats the offer for giannis? you know masai will try to make a move

They would want Scottie, but we say no.

Poeltl, RJ, Dick, #7 and 3 future 1st picks and 3 pick swaps.

Draft Tomislav or another big with #41?

PG IQ - Shead - Jakobe
SG Agbaji - Jakobe - Lawson
SF Ingram - Agbaji - Battle
PF Scottie - Mogbo - Chomche
C Giannis - Tomislav - Chomche

You don't get Giannis without shipping out Scottie. And honestly, I would rather throw them Scottie (who would be a bad fit with Giannis), and keep some of our draft capital to make a better team around Giannis.

[YogurtProducer]

They would want Scottie, but we say no.

Poeltl, RJ, Dick, #7 and 3 future 1st picks and 3 pick swaps.

Draft Tomislav or another big with #41?

PG IQ - Shead - Jakobe
SG Agbaji - Jakobe - Lawson
SF Ingram - Agbaji - Battle
PF Scottie - Mogbo - Chomche
C Giannis - Tomislav - Chomche

why do we say no to Scottie being traded? they play the same position; you're not doing to Giannis any favors by playing him at center or playing Scottie at 3.
Scottie + 7 + one of our young players should be better than what most teams are offering.
IQ/RJ/Ingram/Giannis/Poeltl very potent starting 5; one of the best in the league.

Giannis plays with 4-out shooters. Has for a very long time. You're not pairing him with a non-shooting C who no defense will guard, killing the entire offense.

You're probably finding a KO like guy who can eat the 1st/3rd quarter minutes and then going with your crunch time Giannis/Barnes at the 5/4 lineups, sharing the C matchup.

Pairing him with Poeltl is the same as pairing him with Scottie shooting wise to be fair. Scottie is a non-shooter, no different than Jak. Jak might actually have more offensive viability as he is a great screener. Barnes would just be a worse version of Giannis at everything. Both his strengths and weaknesses.

If you get Giannis, Scottie is gone. Maybe not directly for Giannis, but you make a follow up move immediately to get Giannis a running mate.

IQ/Ingram/Giannis + whatever you could get for Scottie is hella interesting core though. I would want Giannis to go full time-C though.

[Spida888]

If Giannis can be had for Scottie + Dick, you have to consider it. There will be other bidders like OKC, but maybe not many can offer a young good player of Scottie's caliber.