Holy Mother of... Luka to Lakers, AD to Dallas

[Thaddy]

The most shocking part of this trade is the return the Mavericks got for Luka.

That said, the Luka Doncic situation behind the scenes is…complicated.

Also, the Mavs won’t be that much worse off. Yeah they got massacred today by Cleveland but once AD and Christie report, I think they’ll still be a good team.

As for Luka the player, he’s obviously insanely talented but his flaws are ones that make it difficult to win with him. His conditioning catches up to him every season.

He carry them to the finals. Do you have spec examples of his conditioning causing problems?

[HiJiNX]

The most shocking part of this trade is the return the Mavericks got for Luka.

That said, the Luka Doncic situation behind the scenes is…complicated.

Also, the Mavs won’t be that much worse off. Yeah they got massacred today by Cleveland but once AD and Christie report, I think they’ll still be a good team.

As for Luka the player, he’s obviously insanely talented but his flaws are ones that make it difficult to win with him. His conditioning catches up to him every season.

He carry them to the finals. Do you have spec examples of his conditioning causing problems?

Every playoffs he has a bunch of games where he can’t play both sides of the ball because he’s either hurt or tired. There aren’t stats to show this but if you’re watching the games you see it.

And he didn’t carry them by himself. He had Kyrie. And PJ Washington was on a heater once he arrived in Dallas. That was a good team.

Anyway, go back and watch the finals and look at how frequently Boston targeted Luka on D that series.

Again, Luka is an insane player, and imo a top 3 player in the league, but his conditioning issues bite him in the ass every playoffs. He fades at the end of games. Or is hurt. Or is too tired to play both sides. Every playoffs.

[Scizzup]

The most shocking part of this trade is the return the Mavericks got for Luka.

That said, the Luka Doncic situation behind the scenes is…complicated.

Also, the Mavs won’t be that much worse off. Yeah they got massacred today by Cleveland but once AD and Christie report, I think they’ll still be a good team.

As for Luka the player, he’s obviously insanely talented but his flaws are ones that make it difficult to win with him. His conditioning catches up to him every season.

He carry them to the finals. Do you have spec examples of his conditioning causing problems?

Every playoffs he has a bunch of games where he can’t play both sides of the ball because he’s either hurt or tired. There aren’t stats to show this but if you’re watching the games you see it.

And he didn’t carry them by himself. He had Kyrie. And PJ Washington was on a heater once he arrived in Dallas. That was a good team.

Anyway, go back and watch the finals and look at how frequently Boston targeted Luka on D that series.

Again, Luka is an insane player, and imo a top 3 player in the league, but his conditioning issues bite him in the ass every playoffs. He fades at the end of games. Or is hurt. Or is too tired to play both sides. Every playoffs.

what are you even trying to say? It's 5on5. No one player carries a team by themselves.

Luka was the best player on a team that has made a WCF and Finals in the last 4 years. His conditioning has not been the reason they have lost any series outside last year (he was injured most of it). Every other playoff series, he performed well while on underdogs teams. Injuries happen so idk.

Edit: Boston was one of the best offenses last year, they targeted Luka and yet they had a bad offensive series against the Mavs. Boston posted a 111 ORTG. They won because Mavs offense sucked (DJJ and PJ)) shot poorly. Kyrie was a no show for half of it.

[gp2015]

Mavs just lost 144-101 w/o Luka and their GM is talking about defence?

[Raptors Realtor]

Mavs just lost 144-101 w/o Luka and their GM is talking about defence?

In fairness, they were without Kyrie, AD, Gafford, Washington & Lively... Whereas the Cavs had all their usuals playing.

[GP2]

Mavs GM thinks Luka is DeRozan and is getting his Kawhi.

[Tha Cynic]

If he's way out of shape and alcoholic, I guess the Lakers really only have about 4 years or so to build a championship with him, since he will be 26 and 27 next season.

That's all I got.

[gp2015]

Mavs just lost 144-101 w/o Luka and their GM is talking about defence?

In fairness, they were without Kyrie, AD, Gafford, Washington & Lively... Whereas the Cavs had all their usuals playing.

No point in including AD in that list. He was complaining about their defence with Luka. The others, sure.

Kyrie is not exactly known for his defence.

I don't think Luka is the only problem with their defence either.

[brownbobcat]

That's still worse. post-op Alonzo Mourning is no Anthony Davis

Hard disagree, VC backed them into a corner. Did someone have a gun to Nico Harrison's family? That's the only acceptable reason for this trade.

Absolute garbage nonsense from you. Stop spreading desinformation.

Vince wanted to stay after changing his mind and pulled back his trade request, confirmed by Sam Mitchell and Rob Babcack back in 2004.

Nobody held a gun on Babcack's family to accept Nets' dogshite trade package and he did it anyway.

http://pmd.fan590.com/audio_on_demand-2/Sam-Mitchell-with-tim-and-Sid-ts-20121107-Interview.mp3

http://pmd.fan590.com/audio_on_demand-2/Rob-Babcock-with-Tim-and-Sid-ts-20121107-Interview.mp3

Did you even listen to your own link? The deal had already been agreed to before Vince changed his mind. If he was that serious about it, he would have talked to Babcock and not Mitch.

Also, two things can simultaneously be true.

1. Babcock made a garbage trade
2. Vince gave the team zero leverage by playing like he was damaged goods

[maternal85]

Guys, stop all the theories. The Mavs are now owned by business people, not a sport fan who happens to be a billionaire. There's a big difference. Cuban would never make this trade. The current Mavs owner got a bunch of analytical nerds who have never played basketball before, nor understand the game. They crunched some numbers together which determined Luka isn't worth the super, duper, max, which he was eligible this coming summer. So they traded him.

Remember, OKC let Harden go because of a few million, which costs them a championship, and I'm sure they would have profited 10 folds off that Harden deal. But an analytical nerd convinced the OKC owner group not to keep Harden. I'm sure this was the same issue in Dallas. Nothing more, nothing less.

[WuTang_CMB]

J kidd looked so embarrassed
This is even worse 10 hours later

Horrific deal

[ArthurVandelay]

I hate the lakers now

Just now?

[Raptors Realtor]

Mavs just lost 144-101 w/o Luka and their GM is talking about defence?

In fairness, they were without Kyrie, AD, Gafford, Washington & Lively... Whereas the Cavs had all their usuals playing.

No point in including AD in that list. He was complaining about their defence with Luka. The others, sure.

Kyrie is not exactly known for his defence.

I don't think Luka is the only problem with their defence either.

So your point is that they lost by 40 points after the GM stressing defense for trading Luka. And if we're not including AD in the argument, then surely we can say they lost by 40 without Luka, Irving, Washington, Lively and Gafford... My point is they wouldn't have lost by 40 if they had all those guys playing, in fact they potentially could have won?

[ontnut]

I haven't heard one argument in 40 pages that has convinced me even a little bit that this is not a complete F up job of a trade by the Mavs. Not one.

[microjacklin]

If super max is really the reason why the trade happened instead others
The new CBA really make a new era here.

Championship window will be really really small for each team and wait for another lockdown at the next CBA negotiation

[Reeko]

I almost threw up in my mouth listening to Shams, Stephen A, and Ramona Shelbourne talking about the trade. Shams and Stephen A tried to make it seem like it isn't the lopsided trade that we believe it to be. I think Shams called them equally coveted players lol. Stephen A says that now you put the ball in Kyrie's hands on offense and you improve the defense significantly with AD. He also reduced Luka to just being a 28ppg scorer, no mention of the fact that he is one of the best passers in the game or that he's a walking triple double.

Now the truly vomit inducing part was hearing Ramona talk about Lakers "exceptionalism" and this being the reason why the franchise is so hated. She said that the Lakers are constantly able to pull off trades that no other teams can pull. Completely ignored the fact that Luka was literally placed at their doorstep and offered him to no one else.

The fact that there are significant media members making a concerted effort to make it not look like the highway robbery that it was just makes me more suspicious that there was some sort of collusion going on at the very highest level. NBA ratings are down, their marquee franchise, the Lakers, is going nowhere fast and has little to nothing in the way of a future and all of a sudden they get a top 2 player in the league just dropped at their door step in exchange for Anthony Davis and a single 1st round pick.

[WuTang_CMB]

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[gp2015]

In fairness, they were without Kyrie, AD, Gafford, Washington & Lively... Whereas the Cavs had all their usuals playing.

No point in including AD in that list. He was complaining about their defence with Luka. The others, sure.

Kyrie is not exactly known for his defence.

I don't think Luka is the only problem with their defence either.

So your point is that they lost by 40 points after the GM stressing defense for trading Luka. And if we're not including AD in the argument, then surely we can say they lost by 40 without Luka, Irving, Washington, Lively and Gafford... My point is they wouldn't have lost by 40 if they had all those guys playing, in fact they potentially could have won?

No, the losing by 40 points is secondary to the point that they gave up 144 points (91 points in the first half!). I'm sure it would have been even worse had the Cavs not rested their starters in the second half.

As I said, the GM was talking like Luka was the main problem on defence.

[720]

8-)

I hate the lakers now

Just now?

They never really bothered me growing up. Even when Kobe had 81 on us. The only thing I hated were the Kobe fans that would invade our stadium.

[HiJiNX]

Yeah I know what I posted before tried to make sense of this trade but…nope. Insane decision. Even if you don’t think you can win with Luka because of his conditioning (but like, just get more strict with him, damn), you HAVE to get a king’s ransom in return. Mavs got the kind of return you would get for trading Jaylen Brown or something.