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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#841 » by Psubs » Fri May 30, 2025 12:39 pm

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Why not just trade #9 for #13 & #22? Pick Fleming at #13 and someone else at #22. That way, you can keep Agbaji and #39.


I've proposed that trade around here maybe 10 times. :lol:

I would then trade #22 and Agbaji to say Orlando for #16 and Goga Bitadze.

#13 Carter Bryant
#16 Rasheer Fleming
#39 Markovic/Kalkbrenner/Yang/Sion James


What if neither Carter or Fleming are your targets. I don’t like the offensive potential of Fleming or Carter. If you’re getting two picks, at least one of them should have some proven upside.

For Indiana, Boston, OKC, Knicks, you generally have 4 out of 5 guys who are offensively versatile. Even OG worked on his game a ton to be a solid #5 guy on offense, there are more facets to his offense than just catch and shoot.


The Raptors traded for Brandon Ingram. Just make another trade. KD?
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#842 » by dohboy_24 » Fri May 30, 2025 12:49 pm

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Clutch0z24 wrote:For me you would have to do a deeper dive than just look at his size and write him off because of that....

You can cherry pick anyones stats and say "Against Whom" ....

You may have different players you personally like....But don't act like they are perfect prospects either because i bet i can nit pick their games alot more if i wanted too....At 9th Jase has the most talent....He has top 5 talent and if you can't see that idk what to tell you.....

ROFL...

You said that Jase shouldn't be written off just because of his size...

You said a deeper dive was needed to evaluate him and that's exactly what I did...

Upon closer examination, it appears as if his at-the-rim percentages aren't as elite as the stats you quoted would suggest.

Rather than admit he struggled to finish in the paint against teams who were above-average at defending the paint or provide evidence to the contrary, your rebuttal is that no prospect is perfect and flaws can be found among all of them with closer examination?

Thanks for the newsflash, but that does nothing to support your assessment of Jase as a prospect nor your claim that he is a top 5 talent in this draft.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#843 » by WuTang_CMB » Fri May 30, 2025 1:02 pm

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/41662748/2025-nba-draft-big-board-rankings-top-100-prospects-players


6. Khaman Maluach, C, Duke
Height: 7-2 | Age: 18.6 | TS%: 74.7 | PR: 8



Maluach is the only true big man projected in our top-10, and pretty much every team in that range would likely consider him a worthy development project to build around long-term.

He posted similar measurements in Chicago to Milwaukee's Brook Lopez and Portland's Deandre Ayton at the same stage, and has flashed glimpses of 3-point shooting touch in workouts we've attended, his pro day, and also the draft combine drills, giving him some unicorn potential when paired with his shot-blocking prowess.

The rapid improvement Maluach has made over the past few years with his frame, mobility, feel for the game and skill level has been apparent in the predraft process, something that will surely continue considering he's one of the draft's youngest prospects (he turns 19 on Sept. 14). -- Givony



7. Jeremiah Fears, PG, Oklahoma
Height: 6-4 | Age: 18.6 | TS%: 57.0 | PR: 5

Fears' breakout freshman season vaulted him into lottery-pick status, with his creativity, speed, change-of pace and scoring instincts making him an intriguing addition for any guard-needy team. He measured a hair bigger at the combine than Cleveland Cavaliers guard Darius Garland did in 2019, another playmaker who has gradually evolved into a strong starting option over time.

He is thought to be in play as high as No. 5 to Utah, with New Orleans also in need of a long-term point guard at No. 7, and Brooklyn standing out as a strong fit at No. 8. His inconsistency as a 3-point shooter (28.4%) is something he'll have to address in workouts, but considering Fears doesn't turn 19 until October and is an excellent free throw shooter, scouts expect that area of his game to evolve nicely over time as he gets stronger.

That Fears reclassified to attend Oklahoma early and capably stepped into a huge role (31.4% usage) as a difference-maker adds reason for optimism he'll continue on his impressive trajectory. -- Woo

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8. Kon Knueppel, SG/SF, Duke
Height: 6-7 | Age: 19.8 | TS%: 64.8 | PR: 9

On the heels of a remarkably efficient freshman season, Knueppel is receiving long looks in the top five of this draft, with his excellent shooting and overall readiness to contribute offensively creating a strong selling point for front offices. Philadelphia, Charlotte and Utah all represent potential landing spots and would benefit from plugging him in right away.

Knueppel was unable to complete athletic testing at the combine due to his injury, but is slated to do so in the coming weeks. While not possessing great length, he has the size to get his shot off as well as see over defenses when needed to make plays with the ball.

Although he's not likely to be a stellar defender at the NBA level, Knueppel is viewed as one of the safer picks in this draft, as there's perennial demand for elite shooting, with the playmaking instincts he has shown adding a layer of upside if a team wants to further utilize him in that way. -- Woo



9. Noa Essengue, PF, Ratiopharm Ulm (Germany)
Height: 6-10 | Age: 18.4 | TS%: 62.0 | PR: 14

Essengue has hit another gear with his productivity and intensity over the past few months, playing a significant role in Ratiopharm Ulm's sweep of Euroleague team Alba Berlin in the German league playoff quarterfinals.

He's making a major impact on both ends of the floor with his passing, defensive versatility, and explosiveness getting out in transition and drawing fouls, which is notable considering he turns 19 in December. Despite his thin frame and not having an advanced offensive skill set, he is still finding ways to make winning plays.

Essengue's youth, tools, two-way instincts and rapid rate of improvement suggest a high ceiling that could lead to a significant rise on draft night. Lottery teams would love to get him in their buildings to get a better feel for his body, perimeter shooting potential and intangibles, but that might not be for a while as his season could extend to the day after the first round of the NBA draft (June 25), with Game 5 of the German league finals currently scheduled for June 26. -- Givony


10. Kasparas Jakucionis, PG, Illinois
Height: 6-6 | Age: 18.9 | TS%: 59.8 | PR: 7

Jakucionis continues to receive hard looks from lottery teams after measuring well at the combine (6-6 in shoes and 205 pounds), and coming in similar dimensionally to NBA wings such as Terance Mann and Kentavious Caldwell-Pope.

The way the lottery fell didn't expressly help Jakucionis, as two potential landing spots in San Antonio and Philadelphia moved up into the top four. He still appears ticketed for the 8-to-14 part of the draft, with his versatility, playmaking feel, shooting potential and intangibles holding appeal to teams in that range, with Brooklyn, Portland and Chicago all viable fits.

Although Jakucionis has some holes in his statistical profile, shooting 31.8% from 3 and averaging 3.7 turnovers, NBA teams appear largely forgiving, factoring in his age and adjustment to the college level in a major role. Those are key areas for improvement, particularly if he's going to spend time on the ball long-term. Still, he should be able to help stabilize a backcourt in time and add valuable depth wherever he lands. -- Woo

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11. Egor Demin, PG/SG, BYU
Height: 6-9 | Age: 19.2 | TS%: 51.3 | PR: 12

Demin has solidified his standing in the predraft process, measuring well at the combine and conducting an explosive pro day where he showed significantly better potential as a perimeter shooter than his season at BYU might suggest.

He still has work to do in workouts after his up-and-down freshman season, but there's little doubt he possesses significant talent and upside to grow into a point guard who can make most every pick-and-roll read and pass and will continue to fill out his well-proportioned frame nicely in time.

Demin is getting looks from teams all throughout the lottery and is telling teams in interviews that he is happy to play any role that is asked of him, whether on or off the ball, citing the likes of Portland's Deni Avdija, Orlando's Franz Wagner and Detroit's Cade Cunningham as players he has been studying. -- Givony

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12. Carter Bryant, SF/PF, Arizona
Height: 6-8 | Age: 19.4 | TS%: 59.9 | PR: 20




As predicted for much of the season, Bryant's standing has steadily risen as teams have gotten a closer look at him in private settings, getting a better feel for his impressive talent that suggests both a high floor and ceiling.

He measured a near 7-foot wingspan and 39 ½ inch vertical leap in Chicago, giving him measurements similar to players such as Dorian Finney-Smith (Lakers) and Nicolas Batum (Clippers) who were also asked to slide all over the floor positionally much like Bryant will likely do in the NBA.

Quite a few teams in the late lottery -- starting with Toronto at No. 9, and extending through the Magic at No. 16 are looking for frontcourt players who can space the floor effectively, giving Bryant several potential landing spots in this portion of the draft. -- Givony


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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#844 » by Psubs » Fri May 30, 2025 1:18 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/41662748/2025-nba-draft-big-board-rankings-top-100-prospects-players


6. Khaman Maluach, C, Duke
Height: 7-2 | Age: 18.6 | TS%: 74.7 | PR: 8



Maluach is the only true big man projected in our top-10, and pretty much every team in that range would likely consider him a worthy development project to build around long-term.

He posted similar measurements in Chicago to Milwaukee's Brook Lopez and Portland's Deandre Ayton at the same stage, and has flashed glimpses of 3-point shooting touch in workouts we've attended, his pro day, and also the draft combine drills, giving him some unicorn potential when paired with his shot-blocking prowess.

The rapid improvement Maluach has made over the past few years with his frame, mobility, feel for the game and skill level has been apparent in the predraft process, something that will surely continue considering he's one of the draft's youngest prospects (he turns 19 on Sept. 14). -- Givony



7. Jeremiah Fears, PG, Oklahoma
Height: 6-4 | Age: 18.6 | TS%: 57.0 | PR: 5

Fears' breakout freshman season vaulted him into lottery-pick status, with his creativity, speed, change-of pace and scoring instincts making him an intriguing addition for any guard-needy team. He measured a hair bigger at the combine than Cleveland Cavaliers guard Darius Garland did in 2019, another playmaker who has gradually evolved into a strong starting option over time.

He is thought to be in play as high as No. 5 to Utah, with New Orleans also in need of a long-term point guard at No. 7, and Brooklyn standing out as a strong fit at No. 8. His inconsistency as a 3-point shooter (28.4%) is something he'll have to address in workouts, but considering Fears doesn't turn 19 until October and is an excellent free throw shooter, scouts expect that area of his game to evolve nicely over time as he gets stronger.

That Fears reclassified to attend Oklahoma early and capably stepped into a huge role (31.4% usage) as a difference-maker adds reason for optimism he'll continue on his impressive trajectory. -- Woo

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8. Kon Knueppel, SG/SF, Duke
Height: 6-7 | Age: 19.8 | TS%: 64.8 | PR: 9

On the heels of a remarkably efficient freshman season, Knueppel is receiving long looks in the top five of this draft, with his excellent shooting and overall readiness to contribute offensively creating a strong selling point for front offices. Philadelphia, Charlotte and Utah all represent potential landing spots and would benefit from plugging him in right away.

Knueppel was unable to complete athletic testing at the combine due to his injury, but is slated to do so in the coming weeks. While not possessing great length, he has the size to get his shot off as well as see over defenses when needed to make plays with the ball.

Although he's not likely to be a stellar defender at the NBA level, Knueppel is viewed as one of the safer picks in this draft, as there's perennial demand for elite shooting, with the playmaking instincts he has shown adding a layer of upside if a team wants to further utilize him in that way. -- Woo



9. Noa Essengue, PF, Ratiopharm Ulm (Germany)
Height: 6-10 | Age: 18.4 | TS%: 62.0 | PR: 14

Essengue has hit another gear with his productivity and intensity over the past few months, playing a significant role in Ratiopharm Ulm's sweep of Euroleague team Alba Berlin in the German league playoff quarterfinals.

He's making a major impact on both ends of the floor with his passing, defensive versatility, and explosiveness getting out in transition and drawing fouls, which is notable considering he turns 19 in December. Despite his thin frame and not having an advanced offensive skill set, he is still finding ways to make winning plays.

Essengue's youth, tools, two-way instincts and rapid rate of improvement suggest a high ceiling that could lead to a significant rise on draft night. Lottery teams would love to get him in their buildings to get a better feel for his body, perimeter shooting potential and intangibles, but that might not be for a while as his season could extend to the day after the first round of the NBA draft (June 25), with Game 5 of the German league finals currently scheduled for June 26. -- Givony


10. Kasparas Jakucionis, PG, Illinois
Height: 6-6 | Age: 18.9 | TS%: 59.8 | PR: 7

Jakucionis continues to receive hard looks from lottery teams after measuring well at the combine (6-6 in shoes and 205 pounds), and coming in similar dimensionally to NBA wings such as Terance Mann and Kentavious Caldwell-Pope.

The way the lottery fell didn't expressly help Jakucionis, as two potential landing spots in San Antonio and Philadelphia moved up into the top four. He still appears ticketed for the 8-to-14 part of the draft, with his versatility, playmaking feel, shooting potential and intangibles holding appeal to teams in that range, with Brooklyn, Portland and Chicago all viable fits.

Although Jakucionis has some holes in his statistical profile, shooting 31.8% from 3 and averaging 3.7 turnovers, NBA teams appear largely forgiving, factoring in his age and adjustment to the college level in a major role. Those are key areas for improvement, particularly if he's going to spend time on the ball long-term. Still, he should be able to help stabilize a backcourt in time and add valuable depth wherever he lands. -- Woo

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11. Egor Demin, PG/SG, BYU
Height: 6-9 | Age: 19.2 | TS%: 51.3 | PR: 12

Demin has solidified his standing in the predraft process, measuring well at the combine and conducting an explosive pro day where he showed significantly better potential as a perimeter shooter than his season at BYU might suggest.

He still has work to do in workouts after his up-and-down freshman season, but there's little doubt he possesses significant talent and upside to grow into a point guard who can make most every pick-and-roll read and pass and will continue to fill out his well-proportioned frame nicely in time.

Demin is getting looks from teams all throughout the lottery and is telling teams in interviews that he is happy to play any role that is asked of him, whether on or off the ball, citing the likes of Portland's Deni Avdija, Orlando's Franz Wagner and Detroit's Cade Cunningham as players he has been studying. -- Givony

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12. Carter Bryant, SF/PF, Arizona
Height: 6-8 | Age: 19.4 | TS%: 59.9 | PR: 20

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As predicted for much of the season, Bryant's standing has steadily risen as teams have gotten a closer look at him in private settings, getting a better feel for his impressive talent that suggests both a high floor and ceiling.

He measured a near 7-foot wingspan and 39 ½ inch vertical leap in Chicago, giving him measurements similar to players such as Dorian Finney-Smith (Lakers) and Nicolas Batum (Clippers) who were also asked to slide all over the floor positionally much like Bryant will likely do in the NBA.

Quite a few teams in the late lottery -- starting with Toronto at No. 9, and extending through the Magic at No. 16 are looking for frontcourt players who can space the floor effectively, giving Bryant several potential landing spots in this portion of the draft. -- Givony



Carter Bryant had pretty much a 40 inch vert!!! At 6'7! Just draft him. Trade to get another pick to get Fleming later.

Drake Powell with the 43 inch vert is going to be a nice project late in the 1st round. BK should take a flyer on him at #26 or #27.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#845 » by JCP11 » Fri May 30, 2025 1:26 pm

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Why not just trade #9 for #13 & #22? Pick Fleming at #13 and someone else at #22. That way, you can keep Agbaji and #39.


I've proposed that trade around here maybe 10 times. :lol:

I would then trade #22 and Agbaji to say Orlando for #16 and Goga Bitadze.

#13 Carter Bryant
#16 Rasheer Fleming
#39 Markovic/Kalkbrenner/Yang/Sion James


What if neither Carter or Fleming are your targets. I don’t like the offensive potential of Fleming or Carter. If you’re getting two picks, at least one of them should have some proven upside.

For Indiana, Boston, OKC, Knicks, you generally have 4 out of 5 guys who are offensively versatile. Even OG worked on his game a ton to be a solid #5 guy on offense, there are more facets to his offense than just catch and shoot.
Their offensive potential is not great but their 3&D potential is tho. That would help this team tremendously. We already have plenty of on ball guys, this would solidify this team and set them up for success real quick.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#846 » by Buff » Fri May 30, 2025 1:27 pm

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A Myles Turner / Gobert cross would be pretty crazy honestly, and he has shown the ability to switch better than those two guys so there's no real reason that he would get run off the floor in the 4th? Duke had him guarding out on the perimeter quite a lot.

I know we're not talking All-NBA talent etc here, but at 9? Yes of course you would take that and run.


No he is not switchable, most draft scouting has him as drop coverage.
His lane agility and other quickness test are pretty much at the bottom.

Just hype.



Just watch some games of his? Duke were definitely not a team reliant on drop coverage, and had Maluach out on the perimeter quite often. He will of course get burned by a guy like Quickley, for example, if on an island but you ask him to switch for a few seconds on a small? That's what he was doing for a lot of the season and why people get excited when they watch him defensively.. this is not Hasheem Thabeet.

He may be at his BEST in drop coverage, but one of the attractive things about him is that he is mobile and you can run different defensive sets with him on the floor and he will cover an enormous amount of the court.

Look how much of the court he is covering here, just as an example -
https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/comments/1hzk6dk/highlight_khaman_maluach_showcases_his_defensive/#:~:text=While%20he%20may%20not%20have,to%20the%207%2D12%20range.


The whole allure of KM is that he can defend and recover from the perimeter, its all over the scouting report and the tape. In 2025 no one's in love with a drop big.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#847 » by WuTang_CMB » Fri May 30, 2025 1:44 pm

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Post#848 » by Gavin_TDThree » Fri May 30, 2025 2:12 pm

I'd love to find a way to move up to 4 or 5 and grab Tre Johnson. I think he's the exact kind of player we could groom into a 1B or fingers crossed 1A offensive player.

9 + what gets you 4 or 5? Does RJ come with enough value to a team like Charlotte? Maybe. Does Washington look to move back?

Or is it something like 9 + Dick + future 1st for 4.

I see the draft going like this:

Coop
Harp
Ace
Queen (Charlotte needs to get away from this Mark Williams situation and they already have a bunch of guards/wings). Al Jefferson 2.0
VJ
Tre
Fears
Malauch **this is the hardest one for me to project because they could go in any direction
Jak

Someone in the top 8 is going to go off the consensus and grab someone too early. Charlotte has shown a willingness to do that with Salaun last year.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#849 » by WuTang_CMB » Fri May 30, 2025 2:15 pm

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#850 » by Clutch0z24 » Fri May 30, 2025 2:22 pm

dohboy_24 wrote:
Clutch0z24 wrote:
Clutch0z24 wrote:For me you would have to do a deeper dive than just look at his size and write him off because of that....

You can cherry pick anyones stats and say "Against Whom" ....

You may have different players you personally like....But don't act like they are perfect prospects either because i bet i can nit pick their games alot more if i wanted too....At 9th Jase has the most talent....He has top 5 talent and if you can't see that idk what to tell you.....

ROFL...

You said that Jase shouldn't be written off just because of his size...

You said a deeper dive was needed to evaluate him and that's exactly what I did...

Upon closer examination, it appears as if his at-the-rim percentages aren't as elite as the stats you quoted would suggest.

Rather than admit he struggled to finish in the paint against teams who were above-average at defending the paint or provide evidence to the contrary, your rebuttal is that no prospect is perfect and flaws can be found among all of them with closer examination?

Thanks for the newsflash, but that does nothing to support your assessment of Jase as a prospect nor your claim that he is a top 5 talent in this draft.


He still finished 60-87 in finishing in the paint bud....Thats still 69% finishing at the rim....Regardless if you cherry pick who it was against or not....I said you can cherry pick anyones stats to make a prospect look bad.....Maluach the guy you have all your eggs in on....Had ZERO rebounds against Houston who have actual good rebounders and physcial players......That means in the NBA how can he grab rebounds against bigger stonger players if he couldn't do it in a game against NCAA guys?....See how i can cherry pick any kinda stat against other teams these prospects played against to make them look bad?....I can go through all Maluach games and show proof he is a poor rebounder for his size and not an elite shot blocker which are the things he should be good at ....at his size...Hes also the rawest prospect in the lottery by a long shot and has the most bust potential in the lottery....No offensive game at all and has low BBIQ and fouls way too much....No feel for the game....
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Post#851 » by Clutch0z24 » Fri May 30, 2025 2:25 pm

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Beautiful shooter and he doesn't look like the typical small guard...Hes got bounce...
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Post#852 » by Gavin_TDThree » Fri May 30, 2025 2:34 pm

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Beautiful shooter and he doesn't look like the typical small guard...Hes got bounce...


Other than YT highlights I haven't watched a lot of Jase, can he play PG at the NBA level? If we can create advantages for his teammates and set the table then I see the appeal for sure
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Post#853 » by arbsn » Fri May 30, 2025 3:09 pm

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Beautiful shooter and he doesn't look like the typical small guard...Hes got bounce...


Looks like he might drop below the lottery due to lack of size. Would love to try and acquire another pick to snag him in the late teens. Jace might not have elite size, but he has pedigree and shooting.

Not confident I'd want to reach for him at 9 with some real potential gems still on the board like Kasparas, Fleming, Queen, Essengue
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Post#854 » by WuTang_CMB » Fri May 30, 2025 3:12 pm

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#855 » by Clutch0z24 » Fri May 30, 2025 3:14 pm

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Beautiful shooter and he doesn't look like the typical small guard...Hes got bounce...


Other than YT highlights I haven't watched a lot of Jase, can he play PG at the NBA level? If we can create advantages for his teammates and set the table then I see the appeal for sure


He played the PG position his whole career other than College season....He talked about it here in the Blazers workout vid about how he is going back to being a PG in the NBA so thats a good sign...



Coach Izzo put him as a primary scorer because they had an already established 2 year PG in Fears .....He avrgd 5 Asts in HS and he has a pretty elite AST/TO Ratio....So that means hes pretty good at handling the ball and not turning it over much....He had 68 Ast and only 30 TO in this college season while not being asked to run the PG spot i think thats a positive sign for his Ast to improve...

He has a good handle and when you do see him pass he throws some nifty passes after breaking his man down off the dribble...I think he translates into a PG pretty easily especially if you give him lots of reps as the Primary Ball handler....As you can see in this pass highlight vid he looks comfortable with the ball in his hands and finding players for nifty dimes....



If he were a full time SG that would be a little less appealing but i think since he has experience being the PG he has the ability to shift to the PG and be good at it...
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Post#856 » by arbsn » Fri May 30, 2025 3:29 pm

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What is Maluach's potential exactly? He has stone hands, can't rebound and is slow... Strikes me as a bust / can't play in the 4th quarter kinda guy


Where is this coming from? Slow? He's one of the only legit 7'+ big men with true NBA C size in college actually playing effective switch defence, almost all of the other lumbering bigs stand in the paint whole possessions which can't happen in the NBA. Can't play in the 4th quarter? He makes his free throws at a good rate unlike a ton of other big men in the league who get played off the floor in the 4th like our own current starting C Jakob Poeltl. Can't rebound? Merely has per 40 minute rebound numbers as good as some of the best rebounders in the NBA had in their freshman seasons in college when they were older. Stone hands? He's one of the most effective lob threats in college at the age of 18 and finishes around the rim at crazy percentages even on bad passes.


Just posted, having 20% defensive rebounding rate is bad, and everyone know rebounding translate to the NBA.

His quickness and leaping are bottom 5 in this class, close to Queen, so I am unsure how he is not described as slow. He is described as drop big, not switch. And his stone hands are legitimate concern if you even watch full games. Many scouting reports have his hands as concern, though his measurement isn't bad for his hand, which seems more to be his basketball IQ.



It shocks me how many people will fight tooth and nail to say Maluach is this elite player when he's really really raw and not NBA ready right now

Can he develop into an all-star calibre C? Maybe... But I think he's in the traditional C model like Hasheem Thabeet or James Wiseman with upside of Gobert. These guys just don't work in the new modern NBA. At C you want agile, switchable defensive guys like Lively, Chet or Wemby or elite skill guys like Jokic, Embiid, Sengun
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#857 » by DreamTeam09 » Fri May 30, 2025 3:44 pm

arbsn wrote:
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Where is this coming from? Slow? He's one of the only legit 7'+ big men with true NBA C size in college actually playing effective switch defence, almost all of the other lumbering bigs stand in the paint whole possessions which can't happen in the NBA. Can't play in the 4th quarter? He makes his free throws at a good rate unlike a ton of other big men in the league who get played off the floor in the 4th like our own current starting C Jakob Poeltl. Can't rebound? Merely has per 40 minute rebound numbers as good as some of the best rebounders in the NBA had in their freshman seasons in college when they were older. Stone hands? He's one of the most effective lob threats in college at the age of 18 and finishes around the rim at crazy percentages even on bad passes.


Just posted, having 20% defensive rebounding rate is bad, and everyone know rebounding translate to the NBA.

His quickness and leaping are bottom 5 in this class, close to Queen, so I am unsure how he is not described as slow. He is described as drop big, not switch. And his stone hands are legitimate concern if you even watch full games. Many scouting reports have his hands as concern, though his measurement isn't bad for his hand, which seems more to be his basketball IQ.



It shocks me how many people will fight tooth and nail to say Maluach is this elite player when he's really really raw and not NBA ready right now

Can he develop into an all-star calibre C? Maybe... But I think he's in the traditional C model like Hasheem Thabeet or James Wiseman with upside of Gobert. These guys just don't work in the new modern NBA. At C you want agile, switchable defensive guys like Lively, Chet or Wemby or elite skill guys like Jokic, Embiid, Sengun


He's closer to Lively than he is to Thabeet, Wiseman I'll tell you that much. We'll see in about 30+ days tho. If he's there he's a Rap that's almost a certain
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#858 » by elmer_yuck » Fri May 30, 2025 3:51 pm

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Beautiful shooter and he doesn't look like the typical small guard...Hes got bounce...


Dude. We get it already.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#859 » by Rapsfan07 » Fri May 30, 2025 3:53 pm

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I've proposed that trade around here maybe 10 times. :lol:

I would then trade #22 and Agbaji to say Orlando for #16 and Goga Bitadze.

#13 Carter Bryant
#16 Rasheer Fleming
#39 Markovic/Kalkbrenner/Yang/Sion James


What if neither Carter or Fleming are your targets. I don’t like the offensive potential of Fleming or Carter. If you’re getting two picks, at least one of them should have some proven upside.

For Indiana, Boston, OKC, Knicks, you generally have 4 out of 5 guys who are offensively versatile. Even OG worked on his game a ton to be a solid #5 guy on offense, there are more facets to his offense than just catch and shoot.


The Raptors traded for Brandon Ingram. Just make another trade. KD?


TBH I don't think this team needs any more offensive creators.

Right now, that primary role will be given to Ingram and the secondary role should be given to Barrett, as they are the best on the team creating off the bounce and in the half court. Scottie and Quickley should be the main playmakers and tertiary scorers.

What we need here is a quality bench who can at least hold the fort down while the starting lineup is resting. There's also enough guys that you can stagger them. We have Shead at PG, Walter/DIck/Agbaji on the wings but the PF and C position are shaky. This is why we need to go with Fleming to service that back up PF spot along with Mogbo and trade Dick for a C if you can't pick one up with #39.

Besides all of that, if we stay at #9, the only guy that COULD be available there is Kasp. I like him and I think he could be good but I think the collective impact of say Fleming AND Coward is likely to be more valuable than Kasp. That's why I'd prefer to go for them.

If we can hit two doubles here, that will go a long way to helping us add a potential star down the road, much like how we did in era leading up the championship. Stack quality talent, keep our long term picks and consolidate these assets when the right deal comes along. If there's a guy in the draft we have access to who we're reasonably sure will be a star then of course you take that chance but right now I don't see that kind of player at #9.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#860 » by ciueli » Fri May 30, 2025 4:00 pm

arbsn wrote:
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ciueli wrote:
Where is this coming from? Slow? He's one of the only legit 7'+ big men with true NBA C size in college actually playing effective switch defence, almost all of the other lumbering bigs stand in the paint whole possessions which can't happen in the NBA. Can't play in the 4th quarter? He makes his free throws at a good rate unlike a ton of other big men in the league who get played off the floor in the 4th like our own current starting C Jakob Poeltl. Can't rebound? Merely has per 40 minute rebound numbers as good as some of the best rebounders in the NBA had in their freshman seasons in college when they were older. Stone hands? He's one of the most effective lob threats in college at the age of 18 and finishes around the rim at crazy percentages even on bad passes.


Just posted, having 20% defensive rebounding rate is bad, and everyone know rebounding translate to the NBA.

His quickness and leaping are bottom 5 in this class, close to Queen, so I am unsure how he is not described as slow. He is described as drop big, not switch. And his stone hands are legitimate concern if you even watch full games. Many scouting reports have his hands as concern, though his measurement isn't bad for his hand, which seems more to be his basketball IQ.



It shocks me how many people will fight tooth and nail to say Maluach is this elite player when he's really really raw and not NBA ready right now

Can he develop into an all-star calibre C? Maybe... But I think he's in the traditional C model like Hasheem Thabeet or James Wiseman with upside of Gobert. These guys just don't work in the new modern NBA. At C you want agile, switchable defensive guys like Lively, Chet or Wemby or elite skill guys like Jokic, Embiid, Sengun


I've never said he's an elite player, I've always been consistent that I think his career is being a solid starting centre. If he was doing all the things you guys want him to do in college at 18 he'd be drafted top 3 and would be completely out of our range, any proven C with the skills you want will always be grabbed with a very high draft pick, like Anthony Davis (1st), Evan Mobley (3rd), Karl-Anthony Towns (1st), Chet Holmgren (2nd) as examples, we never draft high enough to get that type of player because we are unlucky and unwilling to really bottom out. We drafted Jakob Poeltl with the 9th pick in the draft in 2016, that was a pretty good pick. Taking Maluach at 9 in this draft is a similar type move, you can't assume there is a perennial All-Star available at 9 and even if there is you can't assume you will pick whoever it winds up being.

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