Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Jeremy Lamb (HOU)

[OAKLEY_2]

I'm surprised so many people soured on him so fast.

I don't think the Raptors have. Too much raw talent. He could easily be the BPA they are talking about...

[JamesNaismith]

Damn DH, look at that wingspan..

Just turned 20 a month ago and his max vert reach is 11'8. That's the same as Andre Iguodala. That's .5 inches less than Blake Griffin. That's only an inch less than a guy who was largely drafted soley for his explosive athleticism which everybody expected would translate into NBA stardom in Demar Derozan. That's more vertical than Luol Deng. That's more vertical than JR Smith. That's more vertical than Spencer Hawes can reach as a relatively athletic C. That's more vertical than Eric Gordon, David Lee and Carmello Anthony.

Young, late bloomer with room to improve?
Ball handling?
Elite verticality?
3 point range?
Mid-range game?
Floaters in traffic?
Free throw shooting?
Movement without the ball?
Willingness to take the big shot?
Willingness to work with an alpha and fit into a winning team?
Ability to challenge shots?

Checkmarks on all of the above. He's a vastly superior offensive weapon to where Derozan was at the very same age and let's be real for a second. Versatile scoring is what the 2-guard spot should be all about. We have things a little skewed up here with Bargnani shooting long jumpers but there's absolutely nothing wrong with having a versatile SG that can shoot from all over. Derozan was hyped for dunk contests and "ball is life" mixtapes since high school. Lamb appeared out of nowhere and is suddenly known for versatile scoring and an arsenal of shots at a young age. I know which I'd rather have in a 19/20 year old shooting guard prospect. I like Derozan because we watched him grow and he's one of our boys now but I strongly believe that Lamb's a better prospect than where he was at the same age.

exactly

[fredericklove]

I'm surprised so many people soured on him so fast.

I don't think the Raptors have. Too much raw talent. He could easily be the BPA they are talking about...

Not the Raptors, but the Lillard fanboys and other posters.

[BillyGM]

cough

[ThemCrookedRefs]

I'm surprised so many people soured on him so fast, and all because of sleepy eyes. Look at the production, not the numbers. And those same people are jizzing themselves thinking about Damien Lillard who will be an average guard at best. Raps fans, gotta love 'em...

I still like Lamb, but you've got to admit that his interviews (at least with the media) haven't exactly done him many favours. He's been criticized for lacking a motor and being disinterested on the court, and his interviews make him look that way off of it too. I don't know if he's just nervous or shy, but ideally you'd like a player to be more engaging and vocal (for possible leadership qualities). At the end of the day, he should be in the mix because he's one of the more talented players in the draft.

[Marlo Stanfield]

I'm surprised so many people soured on him so fast, and all because of sleepy eyes. Look at the production, not the numbers. And those same people are jizzing themselves thinking about Damien Lillard who will be an average guard at best. Raps fans, gotta love 'em...

I still like Lamb, but you've got to admit that his interviews (at least with the media) haven't exactly done him many favours. He's been criticized for lacking a motor and being disinterested on the court, and his interviews make him look that way off of it too. I don't know if he's just nervous or shy, but ideally you'd like a player to be more engaging and vocal (for possible leadership qualities). At the end of the day, he should be in the mix because he's one of the more talented players in the draft.

Interviews don't mean anything to me. I see what you're saying with the motor and lackadaisical interviews looking bad, but he runs off picks non-stop and is just a laid back guy imo. Look at a guy like Shane Battier, he interviews probably better than anyone in the league, but he's not a special NBA talent. Then look at MKG with his speech impediment, yet he's a top-5 pick.

[dagger]

I'm surprised so many people soured on him so fast, and all because of sleepy eyes. Look at the production, not the numbers. And those same people are jizzing themselves thinking about Damien Lillard who will be an average guard at best. Raps fans, gotta love 'em...

I still like Lamb, but you've got to admit that his interviews (at least with the media) haven't exactly done him many favours. He's been criticized for lacking a motor and being disinterested on the court, and his interviews make him look that way off of it too. I don't know if he's just nervous or shy, but ideally you'd like a player to be more engaging and vocal (for possible leadership qualities). At the end of the day, he should be in the mix because he's one of the more talented players in the draft.

Interviews don't mean anything to me. I see what you're saying with the motor and lackadaisical interviews looking bad, but he runs off picks non-stop and is just a laid back guy imo. Look at a guy like Shane Battier, he interviews probably better than anyone in the league, but he's not a special NBA talent. Then look at MKG with his speech impediment, yet he's a top-5 pick.

You aren't making a stellar argument here. We run DeMar off picks plenty and what does it get us? We want a shot creator in the backcourt in part because young teams like ours set weak picks.

[barrist]

New DX mock still has us with Lamb
Barnes to Kings


http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2012/

[BillyGM]

OH feel sorry for Lamb's speech impediment
Let's all get on Lambwagon



Who wants to order this, cause I sure do!

[BillyGM]

Anyone has any opinion on where to eat the best rack of lamb / lamb chops in Toronto?

[Undefeated]

Interviews don't mean anything to me. I see what you're saying with the motor and lackadaisical interviews looking bad, but he runs off picks non-stop and is just a laid back guy imo. Look at a guy like Shane Battier, he interviews probably better than anyone in the league, but he's not a special NBA talent. Then look at MKG with his speech impediment, yet he's a top-5 pick.

Or look at Kendall Marshall. The purpose of these interviews is to gauage Lamb's personality, and from all accounts Lamb is a very coachable and hardworking player. Who cares if Lamb couldn't name a single player on the Portland Trailblazers? That has nothing to do with the game of basketball nor is it his job to care about other players. He went from not being even ranked in ESPN's Top 100 recruit in 2010 to presently being a potential lottery pick ahead of guys like Will Barton and Doron Lamb who were ahead of him in his class. To see that jump from a prospect who wasn't even likely to make the NBA shows me how dedicated and determined he is to the improve his craft. The sheer amount of work and time he put in to take his game to the next level. What does it even say when Lamb averaged 16.2 points per game as a freshman during the NCAA Tournament? You wouldn't even think a prospect who wasn't even ranked would have had that type of production let alone be a second option to Kemba Walker.

And the constant talk of his lack of a motor needs to stop. If you want to see him play with that "intensity" or "motor" watch his championship game against Butler. It's on YouTube. Tell me where's the lack of a motor then.

[Double Helix]

Jonathon Givony DraftExpress Twitter

Jeremy Lamb sprained his ankle in Toronto. Will cancel his Portland workout. Cleveland/Phoenix maybe too. May go back to Toronto later on.

If he shuts down a bunch of his other workouts and comes back up here that's a good sign for Lamb fans.

[BillyGM]

Jonathon Givony DraftExpress Twitter

Jeremy Lamb sprained his ankle in Toronto. Will cancel his Portland workout. Cleveland/Phoenix maybe too. May go back to Toronto later on.

If he shuts down a bunch of his other workouts and comes back up here that's a good sign for Lamb fans.

Wait, it's season of smokescreen, it's only a big smokescreen

[JamesNaismith]

Jonathon Givony DraftExpress Twitter

Jeremy Lamb sprained his ankle in Toronto. Will cancel his Portland workout. Cleveland/Phoenix maybe too. May go back to Toronto later on.

If he shuts down a bunch of his other workouts and comes back up here that's a good sign for Lamb fans.

lol

[Waylon Mercy]

Team Lamb lives!

[fredericklove]

Interviews don't mean anything to me. I see what you're saying with the motor and lackadaisical interviews looking bad, but he runs off picks non-stop and is just a laid back guy imo. Look at a guy like Shane Battier, he interviews probably better than anyone in the league, but he's not a special NBA talent. Then look at MKG with his speech impediment, yet he's a top-5 pick.

You aren't making a stellar argument here. We run DeMar off picks plenty and what does it get us? We want a shot creator in the backcourt in part because young teams like ours set weak picks.

Demar's actually quite good at taking those off-picks shots, its his iso-ability and other areas that are problematic. And LOL, Lamb definitely fits into the shot creator category, strong or weak picks, Lamb can still find other options to get his shots off.

[cdel00]

Lamb really impessed me in last years tourney. I'd be fine with him even though I think Lillard is a better player with a better skillset.

But its just my opinion.

I just wish we could discuss the pros and cons about players, ideas and bball without all the bi-polarism.

Just a thought

[TheDrunkenOak]

See, you don't even have enough counter argument on my response, rather you're just coming back at me on questioning definitions of "dictionary". You keep believing what you think about the term "motor" and for some reason, you never heard of the word "intangibles". It's a very popular term to use in basketball. Well, if you don't believe me. Go post a thread on the board and ask what intangibles are and ask them where competitiveness and intensity belongs to, mark my word you'll end up being embarrassed about your lack of basketball knowledge especially in this case where you're not able to distinguish where competitiveness and intensity belongs to.

-I really didn't want to do this. But since you like to act like a jacka$$...

-Sure, i'll play your game and i'll mark your words. So let's see who who will be more embarrassed.

-We are not talking about intangibles, we are talking about "motor" and what the definition of "motor" is.

-I said "motor" is...

MOTOR = Intensity, Competitiveness, Hustle

-You said "motor" is...

Now what is motor? It means anything that makes you move, something having to do with muscular movement. In basketball wise, it means keeping your arms up, move your feet, do anything to keep yourself moving on the floor.

-So now that is laid out. I was going to post a video when Lamb was talking about his "motor", but since i doubt you'll be able to comprehend what he's elaborating, so instead here's a link to an interview, with both Perry Jones and Jeremy Lamb talking about their "motor". I'll walk you through it, step by step, i'll even dumb it down for you, so that you can understand. Ok? Below, i've highlighted the parts for you already. I'll post the link to the interview with Andy Katz at the bottom of my post.


"It's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity," Jones said. "I wanted to show that it wasn't the same Perry Jones in college."

Who was that Perry Jones?

"Very modest and laid-back," Jones said of himself. "[He] didn't have a motor and got down on himself if he missed shots."
How about that? Jones said he didn't have a "motor" in college.

-Wow, Jones said it himself, he didn't have a motor. So by going with your definition of "motor" that means Jones didn't have any muscle movement when he was in college. Wow...he didn't even move at all!!! WOW!!! HOLY SHEET!!! I guess he only stood in one spot on the court for the whole game!!! Dam no wonder he's sliding down the draft.

-Now let's take a look at the next line.

Jones was clearly not as aggressive on every play like teammate Quincy Acy. The key for any team that will be investing millions of dollars in Jones will be to see if he has found his motor in the two months since the season ended.

-In this sentence, Katz is again talking about aggressiveness and referencing Jones' "motor" and comparing it to Quincy Acy's "motor" - hmmm... is aggressiveness countable or uncountable. Did he use the word "INTANGIBLES"??? Wow i didn't know you can count aggressiveness - 1 aggressives, 2 aggressives, 3 aggressives, 4...Oh my!!!

-Now let's take a look at Jeremy Lamb's interview...

Jeremy Lamb: Lamb didn't disguise his own shortcomings: the perception of his effort.

"I think sometimes I'm not as aggressive as I should [be]," said Lamb, the former UConn sophomore. "There were times when I would get going, and it gets competitive, and I'm against good players -- I think then I have a real good motor.

-Now here, Katz is referencing effort and aggressiveness with "MOTOR". Is he using the word "INTANGIBLES"??? Now, Lamb states his "motor" meaning 'effort', is good when it becomes competitive. Wow, i never knew you could count effort...here we go again!!! 1 efforts, 2 efforts 3 efforts...you get the drift.

-The next sentence from the interview...

"A lot of teams want to see my motor and see me compete, and it will depend on the workouts."

-So by your definition, teams want to see him run around, put his arms in the air, keep his feet moving. BWAHAHAHA!!!

Here's the link. Scroll down to the third interview.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... /katz_andy

-Here is my counter argument laid out very succinctly. So let's hear your argument, with facts of course. Which i doubt you will because you have nothing but your bloated incoherent pathetic posts. They say you should think before you speak, but in your case, think before you type.

-Now, I really didn't want to do any this. I figured you would just go ask someone to confirm before attacking me. But i am not surprised, FrederickLove, because you're a joke. Your posts are a pathetic joke. And nobody takes you seriously... You're like the r3tarded kid that everyone tolerates, but really, nobody wants around.

[Tough Tony D]

We've got a duel on our hands.

[Test of Wills]

Jonathan Givony ‏@DraftExpress
Jeremy Lamb sprained his ankle in Toronto. Will cancel his Portland workout. Cleveland/Phoenix maybe too. May go back to Toronto later on.

Take it for what its worth..