2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

[pr0gr4m]

A few things wrong here:

1. I would never trade Siakam for Embiid. I like Embiid, I think he's a top tier guy but with the way the NBA is going, the SF/PF position is the hardest to fill with quality guys and the C position is becoming less and less important. Not to mention that FVV is a UFA and would have to want to go to Philly for this deal to work. Now if FVV make his market rate (around $20M per), TOR would be sending out $50M in salary and would have to take back Embiid + one of Harris or Horford and that's a no go for me.

Embiid is the closest thing to a first option the Raptors can get. The chance that Giannis comes here is absolutely 0. There are much better situations than Toronto for Giannis and he wouldn't fit well with Siakam. You can't compete for a championship without a no.1


2. If the goal is to trade for Embiid (or any other starting C), there's no reason to retain Ibaka. It would be better for both sides if he signed for 3yrs/$45M on another team like New Orleans.

Asset retention is the only reason I would bring back FVV.

3. I can't see Bertans gettting less than $15M per this offseason. He's a big wing, 27 years old, coming off a huge season shooting 40%< from 3pt range. No way you're going to get him for the MLE.

Gallinari would be the same if not better.

4. Powell is too small to play SF full time.

A good SF is hard to find. I would even argue OG isn't a natural SF he would be a better PF or small ball C since he can't attack off the basket. A good SF in my opinion is one that can handle the ball, attack the rim, has elite athleticism, and elite length. That's exactly what Powell is and playing next to a high gravity player like Embiid would be great for him.

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[nabbs]

The value for Powell should be high. Great contract value and can start or come off the bench. Lot of versatility there. I think the Raps have to prioritize not taking back 2021 salary. So Powell is getting us a pick or an expiring.


Teams that have a need for Powell and may be willing to give up a 2020 pick:

Spurs (11)
Nola (13)
Utah (23)
Bucks (24)
OKC (25)

[Raptors_128]

The value for Powell should be high. Great contract value and can start or come off the bench. Lot of versatility there. I think the Raps have to prioritize not taking back 2021 salary. So Powell is getting us a pick or an expiring.


Teams that have a need for Powell and may be willing to give up a 2020 pick:

Spurs (11)
Nola (13)
Utah (23)
Bucks (24)
OKC (25)

I think Dallas at 18 looks like the most logical to me. They can add another 3-and-D wing to play alongside Luka. They had prior interest in Danny Green and Norm is a lot better than Danny.

Norm for 18 + 31 + Delon (salary dump).

Delon can be insurance in case Fred walks.

[TGW]

I would easily trade anyone on the roster for Embiid. I would offer Siakam and FVV for Embiid and bring size back into the league using him and Giannis, in the playoffs Embiid can score in the half court and hurt teams that go small. Toronto could load manage him as well during the season as other young talent rises.

Embiid/Ibaka(re-sign golden handshake (30M /1 year)
Bertans(MLE)/Reed(1st rounder)
OG/Watson
Davis/Thomas
Lowry/Powell/Winston(2nd rounder)

Everyone can shoot nearly 40+ around Embiid who can develop a 2-man game in the playoffs with Lowry for a finals run. Powell would have a lot of open floor to attack as well, the pace could be changed between Ibaka and Embiid. Embiid and OG could have a good 2 man game if OG learns how to attack off a pick and roll due to their sizes, that could be extremely hard for other teams to go small against.

I would look to free agency to add Giannis or another star level guard. You could theoretically trade Bertans, OG, and Davis for another star.

Embiid/Ibaka
Giannis/Reed
Powell/Watson/
Beal/Thomas
Winston/Lowry

This isn't NBA2K. First off, there's no way the Sixers would accept Siakam for Embiid, Bertans is going to cost way more than the MLE, and I don't know how you somehow end up with Beal, but I'd like to hear that. I honestly hope you didn't mean Bertans, OG, and Davis for Beal.

[Zeno]

The value for Powell should be high. Great contract value and can start or come off the bench. Lot of versatility there. I think the Raps have to prioritize not taking back 2021 salary. So Powell is getting us a pick or an expiring.


Teams that have a need for Powell and may be willing to give up a 2020 pick:

Spurs (11)
Nola (13)
Utah (23)
Bucks (24)
OKC (25)

I like Norm to ATL for Bruno Fernando,50, and an additional future 2nd (atlanta has many) and TPE.

This would allow us to use the full MLE and stay under the tax while bringing back one of Gasol or Ibaka. Atlanta added Dedmon and Capela at centre at the deadline so there is limited opportunity for him there.

[LoveMyRaps]

I'd do this.

Pels put him on the trade block because he seemed ''disinterested' in the bubble''. But he was pretty good during the regular season and I still think it he has the potential be an elite point guard. Defensively he's already there, offensively he's getting better.
Of course we'd have him on a 1yr deal, so if he looks like ass, we can let him go.
the 13th overall pick is the main piece we'd be getting back.

To be fair Lonzo has spent his career so far on mediocre teams with bad development staffs. I think he'd be able to turn it around here. At the very least we're getting a high IQ, elite playmaker, and an elite defender that would fit right in our system.

[Duffman100]

I'd do this.

Pels put him on the trade block because he seemed ''disinterested' in the bubble''. But he was pretty good during the regular season and I still think it he has the potential be an elite point guard. Defensively he's already there, offensively he's getting better.
Of course we'd have him on a 1yr deal, so if he looks like ass, we can let him go.
the 13th overall pick is the main piece we'd be getting back.

To be fair Lonzo has spent his career so far on mediocre teams with bad development staffs. I think he'd be able to turn it around here. At the very least we're getting a high IQ, elite playmaker, and an elite defender that would fit right in our system.

If he could even be 65% of Jason Kidd, it would be a win.

I don't love the Ball family, but Lonzo has always kept his head down and worked. His shot is still so meh, but defensively he's a beast. And he's such a smart player and good passer.

[LoveMyRaps]

I'd do this.

Pels put him on the trade block because he seemed ''disinterested' in the bubble''. But he was pretty good during the regular season and I still think it he has the potential be an elite point guard. Defensively he's already there, offensively he's getting better.
Of course we'd have him on a 1yr deal, so if he looks like ass, we can let him go.
the 13th overall pick is the main piece we'd be getting back.

To be fair Lonzo has spent his career so far on mediocre teams with bad development staffs. I think he'd be able to turn it around here. At the very least we're getting a high IQ, elite playmaker, and an elite defender that would fit right in our system.

If he could even be 65% of Jason Kidd, it would be a win.

I don't love the Ball family, but Lonzo has always kept his head down and worked. His shot is still so meh, but defensively he's a beast. And he's such a smart player and good passer.

You got that right.

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[Zeno]

I'd do this.

Pels put him on the trade block because he seemed ''disinterested' in the bubble''. But he was pretty good during the regular season and I still think it he has the potential be an elite point guard. Defensively he's already there, offensively he's getting better.
Of course we'd have him on a 1yr deal, so if he looks like ass, we can let him go.
the 13th overall pick is the main piece we'd be getting back.

To be fair Lonzo has spent his career so far on mediocre teams with bad development staffs. I think he'd be able to turn it around here. At the very least we're getting a high IQ, elite playmaker, and an elite defender that would fit right in our system.

If he could even be 65% of Jason Kidd, it would be a win.

I don't love the Ball family, but Lonzo has always kept his head down and worked. His shot is still so meh, but defensively he's a beast. And he's such a smart player and good passer.

You got that right.

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The problem with trading Norm for Lonzo is that his 2021-2022 caphold is way more than Norm's player option so trading him does not open up capspace but the opposite, unless Lonzo's extension expectations are less than Norm's. I somehow doubt that though. So it's let Fred walk and trade for Lonzo and then extend him for a reasonable amount. I'm not sure that's plausable or that I love that idea.

[jimmy keys]

I'd do this.

Pels put him on the trade block because he seemed ''disinterested' in the bubble''. But he was pretty good during the regular season and I still think it he has the potential be an elite point guard. Defensively he's already there, offensively he's getting better.
Of course we'd have him on a 1yr deal, so if he looks like ass, we can let him go.
the 13th overall pick is the main piece we'd be getting back.

To be fair Lonzo has spent his career so far on mediocre teams with bad development staffs. I think he'd be able to turn it around here. At the very least we're getting a high IQ, elite playmaker, and an elite defender that would fit right in our system.

I wouldn't. New Orleans has some nice pieces, none of them are named Lonzo Ball.

[bballsparkin]

Yeah I agree somewhat. I can't quite get a read on how Sacramento values these guys. I know there was some issues around Hield earlier in the year but either way, they'll definitely need to move him when they re-up Bogs.

What I'd willing to do is re-route our first to the Kings to soften the blow. I think that should be a little more fair.

Yeah I think re-routing the first helps make the trade more palatable. I'd love to see a team with both Harrison and Wiggins on it. Something about that thought makes me laugh and I would root for them. And who doesn't want a second overall if there is a player you like.

Looks like the new Kings guy is going to be big on analytics.

McNair graduated with a degree in computer since in 2006 from Princeton and has spent his entire professional career with the Rockets.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/259606/Kings-Hire-Monte-McNair-As-Head-Of-Basketball-Operations

That opportunity might present itself during the draft, at the trade deadline in 2021 or some other time, but McNair came off rather convincingly as someone willing to utilize his assets to make bold and calculated moves to improve the roster. In addition to his extensive background in basketball analytics, McNair also learned a few things about asset management and trade while working with Houston Rockets general manager Daryl Morey for the past 13 years.

“In Houston I learned a lot,” McNair said. “We went through many different stages and ultimately became a contender, so I’ll learn from that. I think No. 1 we have to stay flexible and we can’t pigeonhole ourselves. There are a lot of ways to improve the team and what we need to do is be ready for whatever the opportunity and whenever it arises so we can capitalize.”

https://www.sacbee.com/sports/article245991650.html

I would be interested in numerous players on the Kings. Hield and Bog included.

[Tha Cynic]

Based on what I have seen from that Ball family so far, they will take the Raptors spending resources to develop him, and then run to a bigger market in the USA the first chance they get.

[Raptors_128]

I think we’re trying to get Harrell for the MLE.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/izkatr/buha_multiple_league_sources_told_the_athletic/

Almost 20 ppg and 7 rpg is not bad for $9-10 mill if he’s okay to come off the bench.

[RaptorPride]

I'd do this.

Pels put him on the trade block because he seemed ''disinterested' in the bubble''. But he was pretty good during the regular season and I still think it he has the potential be an elite point guard. Defensively he's already there, offensively he's getting better.
Of course we'd have him on a 1yr deal, so if he looks like ass, we can let him go.
the 13th overall pick is the main piece we'd be getting back.

To be fair Lonzo has spent his career so far on mediocre teams with bad development staffs. I think he'd be able to turn it around here. At the very least we're getting a high IQ, elite playmaker, and an elite defender that would fit right in our system.

Would the pels even do this? This trade is a steal.

People out here were tryna trade a pick with Powell to get ride of him just a few years ago.

[LoveMyRaps]

I'd do this.

Pels put him on the trade block because he seemed ''disinterested' in the bubble''. But he was pretty good during the regular season and I still think it he has the potential be an elite point guard. Defensively he's already there, offensively he's getting better.
Of course we'd have him on a 1yr deal, so if he looks like ass, we can let him go.
the 13th overall pick is the main piece we'd be getting back.

To be fair Lonzo has spent his career so far on mediocre teams with bad development staffs. I think he'd be able to turn it around here. At the very least we're getting a high IQ, elite playmaker, and an elite defender that would fit right in our system.

Would the pels even do this? This trade is a steal.

People out here were tryna trade a pick with Powell to get ride of him just a few years ago.

We might have to throw in our first rounder, which is fine with me.
Norm + #29 for Lonzo + #13

[RaptorPride]

I'd do this.

Pels put him on the trade block because he seemed ''disinterested' in the bubble''. But he was pretty good during the regular season and I still think it he has the potential be an elite point guard. Defensively he's already there, offensively he's getting better.
Of course we'd have him on a 1yr deal, so if he looks like ass, we can let him go.
the 13th overall pick is the main piece we'd be getting back.

To be fair Lonzo has spent his career so far on mediocre teams with bad development staffs. I think he'd be able to turn it around here. At the very least we're getting a high IQ, elite playmaker, and an elite defender that would fit right in our system.

Would the pels even do this? This trade is a steal.

People out here were tryna trade a pick with Powell to get ride of him just a few years ago.

We might have to throw in our first rounder, which is fine with me.
Norm + #29 for Lonzo + #13

I would still do that deal in a heartbeat. And I love Powell and been supporting him even when everyone was down on him.

[OAKLEY_2]

Would the pels even do this? This trade is a steal.

People out here were tryna trade a pick with Powell to get ride of him just a few years ago.

We might have to throw in our first rounder, which is fine with me.
Norm + #29 for Lonzo + #13

I would still do that deal in a heartbeat. And I love Powell and been supporting him even when everyone was down on him.

I would only only do that deal because Fred is walking for too much money elsewhere. Since trade season comes after free agency being without Fred the Pels could ask for more for Ball. Like Ball for Norm hold the picks. Cannot see the raps trading much improved shooting for developing shooting unless they say this a far from run it back offseason so picks are then coveted.

[Rapsfan07]

I'd honestly not trade Powell, much less attach a pick for Lonzo Ball.

Ball is not a good shooter or scorer and will have a cap hold value exceeding what it costs to pay Powell.

Powell has outperformed his contract thus far and if we plan on going for Giannis and building a contender around him, we'll need all the cost controlled talent we can get. The absolute last thing we need is to put ourselves in a position to pay more money to non shooter that isn't a superstar.

Only player we should be looking at on NOLA's roster for a trade is Holiday tbh.

[RaptorPride]

I'd honestly not trade Powell, much less attach a pick for Lonzo Ball.

Ball is not a good shooter or scorer and will have a cap hold value exceeding what it costs to pay Powell.

Powell has outperformed his contract thus far and if we plan on going for Giannis and building a contender around him, we'll need all the cost controlled talent we can get. The absolute last thing we need is to put ourselves in a position to pay more money to non shooter that isn't a superstar.

Only player we should be looking at on NOLA's roster for a trade is Holiday tbh.

Powell will opt out and also be a freeagent. Lonzo is a great play maker who else do we have that can do that with defence?

[RaptorPride]

We might have to throw in our first rounder, which is fine with me.
Norm + #29 for Lonzo + #13

I would still do that deal in a heartbeat. And I love Powell and been supporting him even when everyone was down on him.

I would only only do that deal because Fred is walking for too much money elsewhere. Since trade season comes after free agency being without Fred the Pels could ask for more for Ball. Like Ball for Norm hold the picks. Cannot see the raps trading much improved shooting for developing shooting unless they say this a far from run it back offseason so picks are then coveted.

Who do you think will get paid more next year? I am not sure
if we get the 13th pick it would be nice return for powell