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Re: [Shams] - Raptors Now Taking Calls for OG 

Post#861 » by YogurtProducer » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:26 pm

SurgeIblocka wrote:Pelicans board thinks they can get OG without giving up daniels. They also don’t think Trey fits well with Zion and would want OG and Daniels to lock down on defence.

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Re: [Shams] - Raptors Now Taking Calls for OG 

Post#862 » by Reeko » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:28 pm

SurgeIblocka wrote:Pelicans board thinks they can get OG without giving up daniels. They also don’t think Trey fits well with Zion and would want OG and Daniels to lock down on defence.

Would be pissed if they didn’t give up Daniels. Don’t really want anything else from them that we could realistically obtain for OG.
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Re: [Shams] - Raptors Now Taking Calls for OG 

Post#863 » by T-d0t » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:29 pm

Clutch0z24 wrote:As much as i want that Lakers pick what are the realistic chances they trade it? doubt they want to lose a lottery pick where they could potentially get Wemby

Do we really think that that Lakers are going to sit back at the trade deadline? They are going to be buyers and probably will deal another pick. Lebron will then recruit some players who get bought out. They will have a team that at least makes it to the play-in.

This makes the Lakers pick less valuable for NO
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Re: [Shams] - Raptors Now Taking Calls for OG 

Post#864 » by MAD ROB » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:32 pm

If we are doing 2 fo1 or 3 for 1 deals for OG, Trent and FVV who are we cutting on the roster to make room. Thad, Khem, Junacho for sure but we would probably need to dump a couple more. Maybe move Flynn and Boucher as well for 2nd rounders?
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Re: [Shams] - Raptors Now Taking Calls for OG 

Post#865 » by OakleyDokely » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:32 pm

Clutch0z24 wrote:As much as i want that Lakers pick what are the realistic chances they trade it? doubt they want to lose a lottery pick where they could potentially get Wemby


If it's available, it will probably come with top 2-3 protections at least.

They won't risk the chance to get Scoot or Wemby.

In fact, any picks we get this year will probably have those same protections if the pick has any chance at the lottery.
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Post#866 » by sidsid » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:35 pm

SurgeIblocka wrote:Pelicans board thinks they can get OG without giving up daniels. They also don’t think Trey fits well with Zion and would want OG and Daniels to lock down on defence.


I mean they could, if I was GM. It would just cost them the Lakers pick, the late Bucks picks and some swaps. That's Gobert value.

But the FO is almost certainly insisting on one of their young pieces, diluting some of that value.

I like adding Fred to that package and getting that extra pick value, but I have my doubts that the Pels would want to pay 5 guys major money and hit the tax as soon as next year or the year after.
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Re: [Shams] - Raptors Now Taking Calls for OG 

Post#867 » by Dalek » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:37 pm

Read on Twitter


Now that Windhorst has laid down some terms, you can see that the Raptors are in a semi-retool. Losing Fred and OG is huge, but the impression is we are getting young players that can step in, rather than a bunch of picks.

It also could mean that Toronto is going to have space to re-sign Trent Jr., which makes sense to me given his age and if they can keep him under $25m per season, it will be a win.

It is building around Barnes and Siakam. To me that requires shooting, and a PG or maybe two ball handlers who can draw fouls. I can see this team ride things out with Precious and Koloko - although I don't feel tied to CK.
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Post#868 » by sidsid » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:39 pm

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Clutch0z24 wrote:As much as i want that Lakers pick what are the realistic chances they trade it? doubt they want to lose a lottery pick where they could potentially get Wemby


If it's available, it will probably come with top 2-3 protections at least.

They won't risk the chance to get Scoot or Wemby.

In fact, any picks we get this year will probably have those same protections if the pick has any chance at the lottery.

This is why I'd rather the FO focus on the later Bucks picks in a quantity with potentially higher value than the more certain now pick with no chance at the big prizes.
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Re: [Shams] - Raptors Now Taking Calls for OG 

Post#869 » by TorontoBarneys » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:40 pm

Dalek wrote:
Read on Twitter


Now that Windhorst has laid down some terms, you can see that the Raptors are in a semi-retool. Losing Fred and OG is huge, but the impression is we are getting young players that can step in, rather than a bunch of picks.

It also could mean that Toronto is going to have space to re-sign Trent Jr., which makes sense to me given his age and if they can keep him under $25m per season, it will be a win.

It is building around Barnes and Siakam. To me that requires shooting, and a PG or maybe two ball handlers who can draw fouls. I can see this team ride things out with Precious and Koloko - although I don't feel tied to CK.


Finally, a solid direction. Hope these rumors/leaks/whatever they are, are legit. Losing OG stings, but if it's with Fred and someone like Boucher it can really right the ship with the right moves.
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Re: [Shams] - Raptors Now Taking Calls for OG 

Post#870 » by Clutch0z24 » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:41 pm

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Sad day to be a Raptor fan ....Always loved OG and his personality....Tbh wouldn't mind just getting rid of all players connected to Klutch....They rub me the wrong way and always want their players in the most talked about teams in the media....

But its best for us as a whole to know this now ahead of his free agency so we can get a haul....Im excited for Change and it seems this deadline the start of change will happen regardless....FVV/OG Gone + bring in a top draft pick and have good young players + draft picks...Sounds promising ...

Siakam is the one player idk what to do with.....Hes a great player...Good 2nd option on a title team but just doesn't fit with the direction of the team....Might just have to trade him now and get the most value now....Start fresh with a full rebuild ....No way we build a title team around Siakam during his prime years here...Will take much longer...Only way we keep Siakam is if we land Wemby or Scoot and pair Barnes/Siakam and one of Scoot/Wemby together...
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Re: [Shams] - Raptors Now Taking Calls for OG 

Post#871 » by OakleyDokely » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:41 pm

sidsid wrote:
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Clutch0z24 wrote:As much as i want that Lakers pick what are the realistic chances they trade it? doubt they want to lose a lottery pick where they could potentially get Wemby


If it's available, it will probably come with top 2-3 protections at least.

They won't risk the chance to get Scoot or Wemby.

In fact, any picks we get this year will probably have those same protections if the pick has any chance at the lottery.

This is why I'd rather the FO focus on the later Bucks picks in a quantity with potentially higher value than the more certain now pick with no chance at the big prizes.


I like the idea of a player+pick deal. You get a little more certainty if you're getting a player like Dyson along with a pick instead of hoping that the multiple picks you get in the alternative deal don't all end up in the 20s.
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Re: [Shams] - Raptors Now Taking Calls for OG 

Post#872 » by akaFlip » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:43 pm

Clutch0z24 wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:
Read on Twitter


He Gone.


Sad day to be a Raptor fan ....Always loved OG and his personality....Tbh wouldn't mind just getting rid of all players connected to Klutch....They rub me the wrong way and always want their players in the most talked about teams in the media....


Kind of doing a good job then as an agency?
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Post#873 » by Johnny Bball » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:43 pm

Fairview4Life wrote:Marcus Smart is 3.5 years older than OG and is a worse and much less versatile defender as well as being a worse shooter.


Smart is untouchable to the Celtics. That's how little value he has. He has no idea.
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Post#874 » by LastNameEver » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:44 pm

Dalek wrote:
Read on Twitter


Now that Windhorst has laid down some terms, you can see that the Raptors are in a semi-retool. Losing Fred and OG is huge, but the impression is we are getting young players that can step in, rather than a bunch of picks.

It also could mean that Toronto is going to have space to re-sign Trent Jr., which makes sense to me given his age and if they can keep him under $25m per season, it will be a win.

It is building around Barnes and Siakam. To me that requires shooting, and a PG or maybe two ball handlers who can draw fouls. I can see this team ride things out with Precious and Koloko - although I don't feel tied to CK.

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Post#875 » by WuTang_CMB » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:46 pm

Dalek wrote:
Read on Twitter


Now that Windhorst has laid down some terms, you can see that the Raptors are in a semi-retool. Losing Fred and OG is huge, but the impression is we are getting young players that can step in, rather than a bunch of picks.

It also could mean that Toronto is going to have space to re-sign Trent Jr., which makes sense to me given his age and if they can keep him under $25m per season, it will be a win.

It is building around Barnes and Siakam. To me that requires shooting, and a PG or maybe two ball handlers who can draw fouls. I can see this team ride things out with Precious and Koloko - although I don't feel tied to CK.


More and more I feel Trent just gets re-upped on a fair $23M deal. He will carry a lot more value under a contract vs right now. I don't feel like Masai is going to sell him on the cheap cuz hes a rental. Best to bring him back and he's young and fits alongside Scottie.

This Windhorst reporting makes total sense. Masai doesnt need to tradional blow everything up for picks. We have Scottie. Let's add to him. Keep Siakam until offseason - we have to wait to see what happens in the draft.

Go forward next year with

Siakam
Scottie
Trent
Precious
Koloko
Assets from Fred/OG (Trey ?? DD ?? High Pick ??)
Top 10 pick (if you land top 2 - u can keep siakam cuz they will elevate us .. if not and we stay at 6 well then we have a decision to make on siakam)
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Re: [Shams] - Raptors Now Taking Calls for OG 

Post#876 » by Clutch0z24 » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:49 pm

T-d0t wrote:
Clutch0z24 wrote:As much as i want that Lakers pick what are the realistic chances they trade it? doubt they want to lose a lottery pick where they could potentially get Wemby

Do we really think that that Lakers are going to sit back at the trade deadline? They are going to be buyers and probably will deal another pick. Lebron will then recruit some players who get bought out. They will have a team that at least makes it to the play-in.

This makes the Lakers pick less valuable for NO


Ofc they will be buyers but for the Pelicans you can't trade the pick based off a prediction that they will make the Play in or not...Anything can go wrong like AD who can get hurt at any moment...You can only really go off based on their record right now and they have a chance to actually move up into the top 4 of the draft....So i doubt they move the pick...
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Post#877 » by sidsid » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:50 pm

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If it's available, it will probably come with top 2-3 protections at least.

They won't risk the chance to get Scoot or Wemby.

In fact, any picks we get this year will probably have those same protections if the pick has any chance at the lottery.

This is why I'd rather the FO focus on the later Bucks picks in a quantity with potentially higher value than the more certain now pick with no chance at the big prizes.


I like the idea of a player+pick deal. You get a little more certainty if you're getting a player like Dyson along with a pick instead of hoping that the multiple picks you get in the alternative deal don't all end up in the 20s.


I get that for OG, who has a lot of value.

I don't get that for a Fred trade. If the Lakers are dangling an unprotected 2029 pick and maybe more, like a swap, who cares what flotsam is coming with it. Some young journey man isn't worth more than that potential haul.
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Post#878 » by Johnny Bball » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:51 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
M3tro wrote:Getting Dyson Daniels and the Lakers pick swap is a coup


This would be ideal. Unlikely, but so ideal.


He would bring in more than that.
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Re: [Shams] - Raptors Now Taking Calls for OG 

Post#879 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:53 pm

Hi Raps fans, Nets fan here. What's the price tag for OG? a 1st rounder + young prospects and salary?

Would Joe Harris (18 mil, expires next year) + Cam Thomas and draft compensation work?

if not OG, what about Gary Trent?
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Re: [Shams] - Raptors Now Taking Calls for OG 

Post#880 » by Duffman100 » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:54 pm

Johnny Bball wrote:
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M3tro wrote:Getting Dyson Daniels and the Lakers pick swap is a coup


This would be ideal. Unlikely, but so ideal.


He would bring in more than that.


I mean a good prospect and a top 10 pick.

If he brings in more, hot damn.

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