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Re: With the 19th Pick, the Raptors select Ja'Kobe Walter! 

Post#861 » by PoundTown » Wed Jul 31, 2024 11:09 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:Goal of this draft was to get a couple of serviceable bench/role players moving forward - I think Shead and Walter will be just that.

Goal of this next draft is to add that starting caliber, ideally a shot creator, star-potential level player.


Definitely, it took the front office a bit too long to realize they needed to go this route, but at least now we're in asset accumualation mode. Eventually, we accumulate enough assets and we consolidate. Ideally would like to see us play in a first round in the year after this next one, however... but while still building and not making short sighted moves.
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In Houston’s first season as a Big 12 member, Jamal Shead was named both Player of the Year and Defensive Player of the Year while Kelvin Sampson was selected Coach of the Year to highlight the 2023-24 Phillips 66 All-Big 12 men’s basketball awards, chosen by the head coaches. In the other individual awards, Kansas’ Hunter Dickinson notched Newcomer of the Year, Baylor’s Ja’Kobe Walter was chosen Freshman of the Year, BYU’s Jaxson Robinson was picked for the Sixth Man Award and Texas’ Dylan Disu received Most Improved Player.

The All-Big 12 First Team was comprised of Shead, who was a unanimous selection, Tamin Lipsey (Iowa State), Dickinson (Kansas), Kevin McCullar Jr. (Kansas) and Disu (Texas).

Shead is the only student-athlete in the nation to rank among the Top-20 individual leaders in assists per game (623, 16th), steals per game (2.29, 10th) and assist-turnover ratio (3.16, 19th). In conference games, the senior guard ranked sixth in scoring (15.67), sixth in field goal percentage (101-250/.404), second in assists (6.50), third in steals (2.24) and first in assist/TO ratio (3.44). He was also a two-time Big 12 Player of the Week selection.


Walter has started all 31 of Baylor’s games in his rookie collegiate season. His 13.8 points and .800 (84-105) free throw percentage in league games leads his team and is tied for 14th and ranks 15th in the Conference, respectively. The 6-5 guard captured the season’s first Big 12 Player of the Week.
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Re: With the 19th Pick, the Raptors select Ja'Kobe Walter! 

Post#863 » by ash_k » Sat Aug 3, 2024 2:31 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:Goal of this draft was to get a couple of serviceable bench/role players moving forward - I think Shead and Walter will be just that.

Goal of this next draft is to add that starting caliber, ideally a shot creator, star-potential level player.

Based on what? that elusive RealGMdream of tanking? and somehow expecting 3 young 20pt- scorers/all-star to bow down to an unproven rookie teenager like a Cooper Flag(he aint Wemby)? It is not going to happen.
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Re: With the 19th Pick, the Raptors select Ja'Kobe Walter! 

Post#864 » by LoveMyRaps » Sat Aug 3, 2024 4:16 pm

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LoveMyRaps wrote:Goal of this draft was to get a couple of serviceable bench/role players moving forward - I think Shead and Walter will be just that.

Goal of this next draft is to add that starting caliber, ideally a shot creator, star-potential level player.

Based on what? that elusive RealGMdream of tanking? and somehow expecting 3 young 20pt- scorers/all-star to bow down to an unproven rookie teenager like a Cooper Flag(he aint Wemby)? It is not going to happen.


Due a bit of due diligence. The lottery is stacked with star-potential prospects.

We're pretty much a lock to finish in the bottom 10 of the standings.

Our bench is non-existent. Doesn't matter how well the starting lineup plays, our bench will consistently lose us games.
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Re: With the 19th Pick, the Raptors select Ja'Kobe Walter! 

Post#865 » by Indeed » Sat Aug 3, 2024 6:22 pm

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LoveMyRaps wrote:Goal of this draft was to get a couple of serviceable bench/role players moving forward - I think Shead and Walter will be just that.

Goal of this next draft is to add that starting caliber, ideally a shot creator, star-potential level player.

Based on what? that elusive RealGMdream of tanking? and somehow expecting 3 young 20pt- scorers/all-star to bow down to an unproven rookie teenager like a Cooper Flag(he aint Wemby)? It is not going to happen.


Due a bit of due diligence. The lottery is stacked with star-potential prospects.

We're pretty much a lock to finish in the bottom 10 of the standings.

Our bench is non-existent. Doesn't matter how well the starting lineup plays, our bench will consistently lose us games.


Our starters are nothing spectacular. Barrett and Quickley were lottery team in New York until Brunson, where I dont believe Barnes is at Brunson level. Poeltl is always in a rebuilding team as well.
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Re: With the 19th Pick, the Raptors select Ja'Kobe Walter! 

Post#866 » by ash_k » Sun Aug 4, 2024 11:08 am

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LoveMyRaps wrote:Goal of this draft was to get a couple of serviceable bench/role players moving forward - I think Shead and Walter will be just that.

Goal of this next draft is to add that starting caliber, ideally a shot creator, star-potential level player.

Based on what? that elusive RealGMdream of tanking? and somehow expecting 3 young 20pt- scorers/all-star to bow down to an unproven rookie teenager like a Cooper Flag(he aint Wemby)? It is not going to happen.


Due a bit of due diligence. The lottery is stacked with star-potential prospects.

We're pretty much a lock to finish in the bottom 10 of the standings.

Our bench is non-existent. Doesn't matter how well the starting lineup plays, our bench will consistently lose us games.

Due your due diligence, there is no WEMBY in that draft. (the point being, established young players like ours could potentially hand over the keys(if you will) to a generational player like that). But we already have an MVP type on the roster.

We already have 2 more potentials All-stars on the team; there is no a room for a 4th one/20 point scorer. Unless you are wishing for more injuries. There is too much talent in our young Big 4 not to be 'at worst' a play-in team(upwards from there). If that Bulls team could win 39 games without a bench&Vucevic with some historically bad ratings I hear and big injuries to 2 starters then our BIG4 with proven NBAers on the bench can certainly match that.

You are only wishing the bench is non-existent with proven NBA players like Bruce Brown, KO and Boucher with Proven backup Point Guard from a winning team like Davion Mitchell. Then at some point, it is either that coach tattooed as a "player-developer" actually develops and enhances our players or NOT (Gradey, Ochai,J'KW, Shead and Mogbo).

Like many others, y'all keep posting like a roster is Detroit Pistons'/Charlotte Hornets'.
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Post#867 » by deeps6x » Wed Aug 7, 2024 12:17 am

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LoveMyRaps wrote:Goal of this draft was to get a couple of serviceable bench/role players moving forward - I think Shead and Walter will be just that.

Goal of this next draft is to add that starting caliber, ideally a shot creator, star-potential level player.


Definitely, it took the front office a bit too long to realize they needed to go this route, but at least now we're in asset accumualation mode. Eventually, we accumulate enough assets and we consolidate. Ideally would like to see us play in a first round in the year after this next one, however... but while still building and not making short sighted moves.

I sure hope he turns into an asset. I wasn't that impressed with 'Kobe in summer league. But he is young, so there is lots of time for him to get better.
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Post#868 » by WuTang_CMB » Wed Aug 14, 2024 1:43 am

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Post#869 » by MEDIC » Wed Aug 14, 2024 3:31 am

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That's a great stat. Hopefully we see this trend continue in the NBA!

I wonder what Gradey's looked like in College.
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Post#870 » by MEDIC » Wed Aug 14, 2024 3:57 am

It will be interesting watching Walter's progression this year. He has a longer wingspan than GD, a higher standing reach, a higher vertical, & most likely a higher ceiling defensively. His lane agility, 3/4 sprint & shittle run were all faster than GD as well.

He may end up being the better prospect over the long haul..
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Post#871 » by Thaddy » Wed Aug 14, 2024 5:56 am

MEDIC wrote:It will be interesting watching Walter's progression this year. He has a longer wingspan than GD, a higher standing reach, a higher vertical, & most likely a higher ceiling defensively. His lane agility, 3/4 sprint & shittle run were all faster than GD as well.

He may end up being the better prospect over the long haul..

Walter's a better prospect than Gradey. He has better measurements and athleticism. If you looked at him in Baylor you'd see he brought the ball up for them. He would use picks to dribble around and create a look for himself. The percentages were bad but the fact he took these shots and hit them at a decent rate was encouraging. This is similar to what many posters thought about Keyonte George.

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Post#872 » by OAKLEY_2 » Wed Aug 14, 2024 10:39 am

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MEDIC wrote:It will be interesting watching Walter's progression this year. He has a longer wingspan than GD, a higher standing reach, a higher vertical, & most likely a higher ceiling defensively. His lane agility, 3/4 sprint & shittle run were all faster than GD as well.

He may end up being the better prospect over the long haul..

Walter's a better prospect than Gradey. He has better measurements and athleticism. If you looked at him in Baylor you'd see he brought the ball up for them. He would use picks to dribble around and create a look for himself. The percentages were bad but the fact he took these shots and hit them at a decent rate was encouraging. This is similar to what many posters thought about Keyonte George.



Imagine if we picked Fillipowski at 31 and signed him to a 12m deal. I bet this board would go absolutely postal. Raps took a Moses Moody like player with this selection and they got Mitchell from the "stacked" Scottie draft for paying his expiring salary. Mitchell was in Rico Runs previously scrimming against Paskal and the like. I like what we are doing but Raps turned a corner with Casey when they had young versions of Demar and Lowry. Lowry was huge in flipping Raptors fortunes even if back then he looked like a tiny wide scoring combo guard with much coach killing attitude. Casey's twin point guard ball put alot of pressure on defences and we did this never having a 3 and d small forward. Darko earns his money now as development coach. Can appreciate what Casey did looking back. Can even appreciate Hansborough looking back LOL. Can twin point guards be far away?

Lowry should be on our staff.
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Post#873 » by WuTang_CMB » Wed Aug 14, 2024 1:20 pm

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That's a great stat. Hopefully we see this trend continue in the NBA!

I wonder what Gradey's looked like in College.


I think we picked up at the very least 2 solid weapons with high floors to read off scottie when he's operating down hill/p and r, to move and hit open 3's. JKW looks to have a better drive game at this stage and willingness to draw fouls which is good upside for him to expand more. I'm glad Masai has pivoted and understood what Scottie will need to be more successful
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Post#874 » by will » Wed Aug 14, 2024 10:09 pm

I forgot about this guy.

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Post#875 » by Raptorfan2012 » Wed Aug 14, 2024 10:34 pm

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MEDIC wrote:It will be interesting watching Walter's progression this year. He has a longer wingspan than GD, a higher standing reach, a higher vertical, & most likely a higher ceiling defensively. His lane agility, 3/4 sprint & shittle run were all faster than GD as well.

He may end up being the better prospect over the long haul..

Walter's a better prospect than Gradey. He has better measurements and athleticism. If you looked at him in Baylor you'd see he brought the ball up for them. He would use picks to dribble around and create a look for himself. The percentages were bad but the fact he took these shots and hit them at a decent rate was encouraging. This is similar to what many posters thought about Keyonte George.



Imagine if we picked Fillipowski at 31 and signed him to a 12m deal. I bet this board would go absolutely postal. Raps took a Moses Moody like player with this selection and they got Mitchell from the "stacked" Scottie draft for paying his expiring salary. Mitchell was in Rico Runs previously scrimming against Paskal and the like. I like what we are doing but Raps turned a corner with Casey when they had young versions of Demar and Lowry. Lowry was huge in flipping Raptors fortunes even if back then he looked like a tiny wide scoring combo guard with much coach killing attitude. Casey's twin point guard ball put alot of pressure on defences and we did this never having a 3 and d small forward. Darko earns his money now as development coach. Can appreciate what Casey did looking back. Can even appreciate Hansborough looking back LOL. Can twin point guards be far away?

Lowry should be on our staff.


I have a suspicion that Flip forced his way to Utah.
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Post#876 » by raincityraptors » Wed Aug 14, 2024 11:49 pm

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Thanks for posting.

I really think we undervalue his ability to drive and draw fouls.

He has a lot of things to work on but he's only 19 and will get stronger.

We need to be patient and give him the same kind of time we gave Dick.

This kid will reward us for our patience through his work ethic and having guys like IQ acting as willing mentors.

He is a different type of player than OG but I do see his fall into out laps as a similar one we had with him on draft night.

It was a no brainer pick for the draft slot we were in.

@Thaddy I am so glad to see someone else who sees him as a better prospect than Dick.

I like both of them a lot. I just think the upside/ceiling on Walter is higher where Dick has a solid floor.
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Post#877 » by MEDIC » Thu Aug 15, 2024 12:20 am

The thing I like about Walter is his game is simple. He knows what he is good at, where he is trying to get to & what he is trying to do.

So far with Gradey, it seems like he is trying to.make things more complicated than it needs to be. He needs to learn to keep his game simple.
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Post#878 » by billy_hoyle » Thu Aug 15, 2024 3:54 am

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MEDIC wrote:It will be interesting watching Walter's progression this year. He has a longer wingspan than GD, a higher standing reach, a higher vertical, & most likely a higher ceiling defensively. His lane agility, 3/4 sprint & shittle run were all faster than GD as well.

He may end up being the better prospect over the long haul..

Walter's a better prospect than Gradey. He has better measurements and athleticism. If you looked at him in Baylor you'd see he brought the ball up for them. He would use picks to dribble around and create a look for himself. The percentages were bad but the fact he took these shots and hit them at a decent rate was encouraging. This is similar to what many posters thought about Keyonte George.



Imagine if we picked Fillipowski at 31 and signed him to a 12m deal. I bet this board would go absolutely postal. Raps took a Moses Moody like player with this selection and they got Mitchell from the "stacked" Scottie draft for paying his expiring salary. Mitchell was in Rico Runs previously scrimming against Paskal and the like. I like what we are doing but Raps turned a corner with Casey when they had young versions of Demar and Lowry. Lowry was huge in flipping Raptors fortunes even if back then he looked like a tiny wide scoring combo guard with much coach killing attitude. Casey's twin point guard ball put alot of pressure on defences and we did this never having a 3 and d small forward. Darko earns his money now as development coach. Can appreciate what Casey did looking back. Can even appreciate Hansborough looking back LOL. Can twin point guards be far away?

Lowry should be on our staff.


Postal? That's 3m a year. What are we paying Mogbo like 2m a season? You actually think people care about $1m of salary? That's less than 1% of the cap.
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Post#879 » by DreamTeam09 » Thu Aug 15, 2024 3:57 am

Apparently a lot of prospects had **** summer leagues this year looking at the #s & %s - 2nd yr prospects included
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Post#880 » by Thaddy » Thu Aug 15, 2024 6:33 am

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Thaddy wrote:Walter's a better prospect than Gradey. He has better measurements and athleticism. If you looked at him in Baylor you'd see he brought the ball up for them. He would use picks to dribble around and create a look for himself. The percentages were bad but the fact he took these shots and hit them at a decent rate was encouraging. This is similar to what many posters thought about Keyonte George.



Imagine if we picked Fillipowski at 31 and signed him to a 12m deal. I bet this board would go absolutely postal. Raps took a Moses Moody like player with this selection and they got Mitchell from the "stacked" Scottie draft for paying his expiring salary. Mitchell was in Rico Runs previously scrimming against Paskal and the like. I like what we are doing but Raps turned a corner with Casey when they had young versions of Demar and Lowry. Lowry was huge in flipping Raptors fortunes even if back then he looked like a tiny wide scoring combo guard with much coach killing attitude. Casey's twin point guard ball put alot of pressure on defences and we did this never having a 3 and d small forward. Darko earns his money now as development coach. Can appreciate what Casey did looking back. Can even appreciate Hansborough looking back LOL. Can twin point guards be far away?

Lowry should be on our staff.


Postal? That's 3m a year. What are we paying Mogbo like 2m a season? You actually think people care about $1m of salary? That's less than 1% of the cap.

Walter and Moody are very different players. Walter was a top 5 pick because of the creation skills he showed in high school. He's going to be better than Moody right away, and if we give him a few weeks in the GLeague to work on isolation ability he'll transition in well. Walter's ability to get to the FT line and get his own offense going despite the team being out of sync is a great sign.

Mogbo is better than Filipowski. He's got the same standing reach as Bam despite being a guy who use to be a PG early on in high school. Mogbo has a lot of interesting points in his player build. Center-like reach, guard-like playing making skills, and he's supposedly getting use to his new body. That's a better gamble than Filipowski who's like a worse version of Aldama.

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