Fisher: Raptors are still shopping RJ Barrett and Immanuel Quickley

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Been trying to manifest IQ + Mogbo to LAL for Reaves in a S&T next year. Think he has more upside as a scorer and has been a number 2 in the playoffs next to LBJ and has done pretty well. Easy contender for guy who's counting stats are being limited by his role; having to play next to Lebron and Luka

Gross

Current thoughts?

[Walid]

Either sell RJ as long as he holds some value or have him focus purely on conditioning and free throws.

[CazOnReal]

Been trying to manifest IQ + Mogbo to LAL for Reaves in a S&T next year. Think he has more upside as a scorer and has been a number 2 in the playoffs next to LBJ and has done pretty well. Easy contender for guy who's counting stats are being limited by his role; having to play next to Lebron and Luka

Gross

Current thoughts?

Still gross, one game where the refs gave the Lakers every call isn't changing my thoughts on Reaves

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Gross

Current thoughts?

Still gross, one game where the refs gave the Lakers every call isn't changing my thoughts on Reaves

We'll check back in half way through the season lol

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

I think they thought IQ was going to be our Tyrese Maxey. Apparently that was erroneous wishful thinking. I don't see how Grady and Jakobe both can get at least 10 min a game, even with IQ at pg, but we're not getting as much out of the SL or BI with IQ masqurading as a table setting PG. He should be catch and shooting and Darko has him out there pretending to be Jamal Shead. Let Shead do that, play IQ as a sixth man. Trade the excess wings for bigs.

[LascelleL]

I think they thought IQ was going to be our Tyrese Maxey. Apparently that was erroneous wishful thinking. I don't see how Grady and Jakobe both can get at least 10 min a game, even with IQ at pg, but we're not getting as much out of the SL or BI with IQ masqurading as a table setting PG. He should be catch and shooting and Darko has him out there pretending to be Jamal Shead. Let Shead do that, play IQ as a sixth man. Trade the excess wings for bigs.

I feel like we need a true pass first PG and a Big. IQ is a SG masquerading as a PG. We need a legit distributor thats not always looking to score.

[anotherhomer]

we have a serious roster issue

[Johnny Bball]

They should be shopping Grady. I'm not sure how many more times he's going to get sat for just really bad defense, but at this point it seems like every single time he's been on the court for a few minutes.

[TheGeneral99]

IQ throughout his career so far has been a 38-39% 3 point shooter...he just needs to get back to that.

Shooting 18% from 3 is not the norm for him.

[tsherkin]

I think they thought IQ was going to be our Tyrese Maxey. Apparently that was erroneous wishful thinking. I don't see how Grady and Jakobe both can get at least 10 min a game, even with IQ at pg, but we're not getting as much out of the SL or BI with IQ masqurading as a table setting PG. He should be catch and shooting and Darko has him out there pretending to be Jamal Shead. Let Shead do that, play IQ as a sixth man. Trade the excess wings for bigs.

I feel like we need a true pass first PG and a Big. IQ is a SG masquerading as a PG. We need a legit distributor thats not always looking to score.

I don't think we necessarily need a "true pass first PG," so to speak. We do need a primary playmaker, but that's mainly because we still lack someone who is very effective at drive-and-kick. We need someone who can effectively spam PnR and isos to get to the rim or otherwise at least break down the defense. We don't have that on the roster. RJ isn't bad, but he has his various deficiencies, and we didn't have anyone who was managing 13+ drives per game. Quick, BI and RJ are all in that 11-12.5 ish range, and that's not bad, but we need more point-of-attack pressure pretty badly.

I don't know that someone who's a conventional, laid-back playmaker is really the answer. Someone who has an understanding of how to operate from up top, for sure, but what we really need is a real first option.

[Troubadour]

IQ throughout his career so far has been a 38-39% 3 point shooter...he just needs to get back to that.

Shooting 18% from 3 is not the norm for him.

Something tells me as his average rises from 18%, Scottie's 54% from three will descend.

[DutchCanuck]

Still a firm believer the worst Trade we made was for Ingram (We lost the Indy Pick this year which is probably a lotto pick and we lost cap flexibility for a best case scenario of being a 5/6 seed or a play in team?

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

What part of IQ’s three point struggles are related to altering the rest of his game. What would Lou Williams career look like if he was forced into a starting PG role just because he could shoot and was a guard? I don’t think he’d be as successful. IQ’s problem is we paid him shortsightedly and at the time was too worried about media and reputation in the market to try and make the moves to help the peices fit. You can draw a through line through an organizational insecurity that tries to make stars before they are stars so it seems like we have them. Then we end up paying them to realize, oh wait, maybe we’re shooting ourselves in the foot. Like look at how long of a leash Gradey will get, when Battle gets nothing. And it’s because of the investment into the idea that Gradey super shooter and scorer, and does commercials and stuff.

Even the whole def strategy, I feel, is because Darko is floundering and liked the props the summer league team had. But in no way did it ever make sense especially when coupled with the idea that player expectations and feelings will decide who plays over merit and fit.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

Still a firm believer the worst Trade we made was for Ingram (We lost the Indy Pick this year which is probably a lotto pick and we lost cap flexibility for a best case scenario of being a 5/6 seed or a play in team?

There’s likely a reason that other teams weren’t lining up to pay him what we gave, like his agent said. We conceivably have the same goals and constraints of those teams. Doesn’t strike me as us being smarter, than everyone.

I don’t have a high opinion of Darko as a competent coach, seems like he’s just a nice guy who won’t rock the boat- but if they really want to compete they will likely need more than he can offer, however as long as he’s got a roster with no healthy centres not true starting pg, 6 SG - 4 of them with big team investment or contracts, and have all 3 of our best players at the same position (BI SB, CMB) Darko has a built in excuse.

That being said, the approach to make a team with IQ, RJ and BI in the back court a crazy defensive menace that presses full court for four q’s is grounds for dismissal. The media too. You don’t need to be an expert or former player to see the challenges with the approach, but it goes unmentioned like a fart in the car.

The interest the previous era built will be squandered by the time they dig out if they don’t get deliberate, creative and aggressive, imo.

[HangTime]

Still a firm believer the worst Trade we made was for Ingram (We lost the Indy Pick this year which is probably a lotto pick and we lost cap flexibility for a best case scenario of being a 5/6 seed or a play in team?

There’s likely a reason that other teams weren’t lining up to pay him what we gave, like his agent said. We conceivably have the same goals and constraints of those teams. Doesn’t strike me as us being smarter, than everyone.

I don’t have a high opinion of Darko as a competent coach, seems like he’s just a nice guy who won’t rock the boat- but if they really want to compete they will likely need more than he can offer, however as long as he’s got a roster with no healthy centres not true starting pg, 6 SG - 4 of them with big team investment or contracts, and have all 3 of our best players at the same position (BI SB, CMB) Darko has a built in excuse.

That being said, the approach to make a team with IQ, RJ and BI in the back court a crazy defensive menace that presses full court for four q’s is grounds for dismissal. The media too. You don’t need to be an expert or former player to see the challenges with the approach, but it goes unmentioned like a fart in the car.

The interest the previous era built will be squandered by the time they dig out if they don’t get deliberate, creative and aggressive, imo.

You say they play the same position, I personally think this is the trio to build around.

You can play anyone with them and they'll adjust.

The only thing I would do is keep IQ and RJ in different lineups, as long as they can.
Being starters is more of an experiment.

[ForeverTFC]

What part of IQ’s three point struggles are related to altering the rest of his game.

It's been 4 games. He shot 50% last game, so only 3 games of bad 3 pt shooting. We need at least a 10 game sample to see if he is indeed struggling with the shot or if this normal variance.

[Brinbe]

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[dballislife]

middleton and mccollum are 30 mill expiring contracts...is there any way to load off quickley's contract here omg it would be great

[Van_Trump]

IG is an undersized combo guard, not a PG.

He lives and dies by his ability to hit from distance.

Would love to trade him for the corpse of FVV.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

We can’t do nothing about the amount IQ is signed for, or that he’s more a sixth man scorer than lead guard. But, at the same time don’t discount that he could maybe be that scorer off the bench for us. He’s not garbage, and he’s trying. We just miscast him and should put him in the role he’s most succueful even if that means having to make tough decisions about Gradey and JaKobe, who we can’t really afford to extend anyway.