Yahoo: Raps sign Linas Kleiza to 4 year 18.8M offer sheet

REM · Post #881 » by **REM** » Fri Jul 9, 2010 6:48 pm

A Front-Loaded deal also makes it less likely the Nuggets will match.

dagger · Post #882 » by **dagger** » Fri Jul 9, 2010 6:48 pm

Rapsobsessed7 wrote:front loaded contract means the highest paying year is in the first year rather than the last year.

Dagger, i think this is bad, it also brings us closer to the luxury tax meaning we cant really use the TE

No, I've been calculating that he and Alabi are splitting the full MLE, so it's immaterial to my calculation whether Kleiza gets $4.8m or $5m. It means Alabi is getting $800,000 instead of $1 million

Post #883 » by **Hassassin** » Fri Jul 9, 2010 6:49 pm

Rapsobsessed7 wrote:front loaded contract means the highest paying year is in the first year rather than the last year.

Dagger, i think this is bad, it also brings us closer to the luxury tax meaning we cant really use the TE

I don't think they were planning to use it in the first place. But you don't have to use all of it.

FierceRapsFan · Post #884 » by **FierceRapsFan** » Fri Jul 9, 2010 6:50 pm

dagger wrote:
Rapsobsessed7 wrote:front loaded contract means the highest paying year is in the first year rather than the last year.

Dagger, i think this is bad, it also brings us closer to the luxury tax meaning we cant really use the TE

No, I've been calculating that he and Alabi are splitting the full MLE, so it's immaterial to my calculation whether Kleiza gets $4.8m or $5m. It means Alabi is getting $800,000 instead of $1 million

Isn't Alabi on a rookie contract? How can that count towards the MLE?

tofu_camby · Post #885 » by **tofu_camby** » Fri Jul 9, 2010 6:50 pm

Weems wrote:http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68018/20100709/raptors_offer_to_kleiza_is_front_loaded/

The Kleiza signing would be front loaded. That's a relief, at least.

If his contract is 18.8 over 4 year and frontloaded at 5, LK averages 4.6 per subsequent year. How does this type of frontloading even remotely make a difference?

Rapsobsessed7 · Post #886 » by **Rapsobsessed7** » Fri Jul 9, 2010 6:51 pm

FierceRapsFan wrote:
dagger wrote:
Rapsobsessed7 wrote:front loaded contract means the highest paying year is in the first year rather than the last year.

Dagger, i think this is bad, it also brings us closer to the luxury tax meaning we cant really use the TE

No, I've been calculating that he and Alabi are splitting the full MLE, so it's immaterial to my calculation whether Kleiza gets $4.8m or $5m. It means Alabi is getting $800,000 instead of $1 million

Isn't Alabi on a rookie contract? How can that count towards the MLE?

rookie minimum contract is 400,000 but im guessing the Raptors are signing him for more because they believe hes worth more.

SharoneWright · Post #887 » by **SharoneWright** » Fri Jul 9, 2010 6:53 pm

Rapsobsessed7 wrote:
FierceRapsFan wrote:Isn't Alabi on a rookie contract? How can that count towards the MLE?

rookie minimum contract is 400,000 but im guessing the Raptors are signing him for more because they believe hes worth more.

Kinda like how Amir said his league offers were "in the 25's to maybe 30" and how he can't take the smile off his face ever since BC offered him 34.

RINSE · Post #888 » by **RINSE** » Fri Jul 9, 2010 6:55 pm

FierceRapsFan wrote:
dagger wrote:
Rapsobsessed7 wrote:front loaded contract means the highest paying year is in the first year rather than the last year.

Dagger, i think this is bad, it also brings us closer to the luxury tax meaning we cant really use the TE

No, I've been calculating that he and Alabi are splitting the full MLE, so it's immaterial to my calculation whether Kleiza gets $4.8m or $5m. It means Alabi is getting $800,000 instead of $1 million

Isn't Alabi on a rookie contract? How can that count towards the MLE?

2nd round picks do not operate on the same rookiescale with guaranteed pay.

dagger · Post #889 » by **dagger** » Fri Jul 9, 2010 6:58 pm

RINSE wrote:2nd round picks do not operate on the same rookiescale with guaranteed pay.

Not necessarily true. There is no scale per se and nothing is automatic, but everything is negotiable, and often the first year is guaranteed, sometimes the second. Only the third year of a three year deal is rarely guaranteed.

Canucklehead · Post #890 » by **Canucklehead** » Fri Jul 9, 2010 6:59 pm

I like that his contract is front loaded. Good move

Canucklehead · Post #891 » by **Canucklehead** » Fri Jul 9, 2010 7:00 pm

SharoneWright wrote:
Rapsobsessed7 wrote:
FierceRapsFan wrote:Isn't Alabi on a rookie contract? How can that count towards the MLE?

rookie minimum contract is 400,000 but im guessing the Raptors are signing him for more because they believe hes worth more.

Kinda like how Amir said his league offers were "in the 25's to maybe 30" and how he can't take the smile off his face ever since BC offered him 34.

Was this stated anywhere? BC get off the crazy juice he'd have been happy enough to get the starting gig

Korr · Post #892 » by **Korr** » Fri Jul 9, 2010 7:02 pm

Canucklehead wrote:
SharoneWright wrote:Kinda like how Amir said his league offers were "in the 25's to maybe 30" and how he can't take the smile off his face ever since BC offered him 34.

Was this stated anywhere? BC get off the crazy juice he'd have been happy enough to get the starting gig

Press conference

JN · Post #893 » by JN » Fri Jul 9, 2010 7:03 pm

Small thing, but BC shows some good forward thinking for the franchise by front loading this contract.

Post #894 » by **jman3134** » Fri Jul 9, 2010 7:12 pm

Good: Frontloading the contract.
Bad: Way overpaid for a guy Denver probably wouldn't have gone so far out of their way to offer a contract. (just conjecture, but I assume they wouldn't given his exit/their payroll)

pspot · Post #895 » by **pspot** » Fri Jul 9, 2010 7:27 pm

they would have to significantly front load the contract in order for it to make any difference in the Raps consideration to stay under the cap. from the sounds of it, the contract is 18.8 over four years and the 1st year is 5 mill

If BC has something of quality for the TPE and wants to stay under the cap you dump Banks, Evans and or Belinelli

HEDOBALL · Post #896 » by **HEDOBALL** » Fri Jul 9, 2010 7:31 pm

60 pages?

Really?

MrBojangelz71 · Post #897 » by **MrBojangelz71** » Fri Jul 9, 2010 7:41 pm

HEDOBALL wrote:60 pages?

Really?

Welcome to RealGM - Raptors' Edition.

kdizzle · Post #898 » by **kdizzle** » Fri Jul 9, 2010 7:45 pm

Nice. I like this guy and just the way he talks. Not sure if his vid was posted from the presser.

http://www.nba.com/raptors/video/2010/0 ... index.html

MikeM · Post #899 » by **MikeM** » Fri Jul 9, 2010 7:48 pm

jman3134 wrote:Good: Frontloading the contract.
Bad: Way overpaid for a guy Denver probably wouldn't have gone so far out of their way to offer a contract. (just conjecture, but I assume they wouldn't given his exit/their payroll)

It's not just about getting DEN to not match, it's about getting Kleiza to sign the offer sheet. Duh.

vancityballer · Post #900 » by **vancityballer** » Fri Jul 9, 2010 7:54 pm

jman3134 wrote:Good: Frontloading the contract.
Bad: Way overpaid for a guy Denver probably wouldn't have gone so far out of their way to offer a contract. (just conjecture, but I assume they wouldn't given his exit/their payroll)

I would disagree on the "way overpaid" part. If you have seen what the rest of the FA contracts have looked like this summer, I would say they got good value. Kleiza was a low-minute, high- production player for the Nuggets and was the Euroleague scoring leader last year. Yes, the Euroleague is not the NBA. However, it is a superior league to the NBDL and he showed that he could lead a team and that he has the skill and mental ability to be a very good basketball player. We can't expect too much, but I think he'll be a fantastic pick-up for a back-up SF who can fill in at the 3 or 4 in the starting lineup if someone goes down.