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Re: Stein/KOC - Heat most interested in Kyle, 76ers/clippers also interested 

Post#881 » by Psubs » Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:24 pm

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I'm not at all. The risk is too great holding out and waiting. What happens when Miami pivots to Houston for a Dipo package? Then we're stuck with our dicks in our hands.

I would just add Norm, which guarantees Herro comes over and seek extra compensation on top of that. Probably a future first or Nunn.


I hope this gets done tonight. So they can focus on moving Powell quickly before someone trades for Oladipo.



Even if he's not that great (just an average of his 1st 2 seasons) the next 2 years, then his 2nd contract won't be in the $20 millions. :D


Call me crazy but I think a lot of teams are going to wait to see whats happening with Powell before they make a move on Dipo. The league knows Dipo is going to be looking for a max deal so they have to also know that Powell, even at $20M per is a better bang for buck than Dipo at max. Once a Powell deal is announced, then I think you hear movement regarding Dipo.

Ujiri is holding out because he thinks he can get Herro and expirings for Lowry alone. Riley is holding out because he wants Norm as well if he's sending Herro.

Like I said, I'd just include Norm and ask for Herro, Precious, FRP or Nunn + Expirings or send Lowry to Philly for Maxey and 1st and Powell to another team for expirings and a first.

But Masai knows Herro is the best return he's going to get.


I like it. I'm fine with Lowry, Powell and Matt Thomas (or Bembry or TD) for Herro, Precious and expirings. Ariza to Brooklyn for Dinwiddie? I think that's the only way he can be included if not packaged. Send Igoudala to Memphis for Dieng? Or Iggy to Brooklyn and Ariza to Memphis?

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Re: Stein/KOC - Heat most interested in Kyle, 76ers/clippers also interested 

Post#882 » by Skeezo » Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:29 pm

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What I'm getting at is that if you wanted to, you could keep Norm AND Duncan if that's what you wanted (or sign someone other than Norm) -- or Duncan can be rerouted to another team for a pick.


The rerouting is on Miami to make it happen now... If Riley doesn't want to give-up Herro, he needs to find a third team to take on some part of D.Robinson, Dragic, and/or Olynk for draft picks and/or a greater-controllable prospect.

I think the point is...we will take on the Olynyks and Dragics...the old guys with expiring contracts and I hope we don't get saddled with the restricted free agents to be.

I personally would take Dragic and offer him up to the Lakers/Clippers and see if they wouldn't want a really good point guard (though not as good as Lowry)...and see if you can milk them for an expiring contract and pick/prospect (not many of those...I'm aware...)...


We are at the deadline... Not enough time to take on a Dragic/Olynyk and rework a trade elsewhere. Clippers/Lakers or someone else have to emerge as the third team now for D.Robinson, Dragic and/or Olynyk.
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Re: Stein/KOC - Heat most interested in Kyle, 76ers/clippers also interested 

Post#883 » by Raptors Realtor » Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:31 pm

Zeno wrote:If the Lakers were offering Schoder, Harrell,kCP and a 2027 1st and

Harrell, KCP were moved to Charlotte for Monk, Zeller and a few 2nds.

What could we get for an expiring Schoder?

We’d be sending the Lakers Lowry and Baynes
Getting Monk, Zeller, Schoder and a 1st. That is not that much worse then the Heat offers really assuming you can get something for Schoder.


If it's me, I'm not dealing Lowry to Lakers unless it includes THT, it's hard to get excited about a Lakers pick in 6-7 years, a lot can happen between now and then... Knowing them they'll find a way to retool via free agency, and it'll be a 25-30 pick.
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Re: Stein/KOC - Heat most interested in Kyle, 76ers/clippers also interested 

Post#884 » by mtcan » Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:41 pm

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The rerouting is on Miami to make it happen now... If Riley doesn't want to give-up Herro, he needs to find a third team to take on some part of D.Robinson, Dragic, and/or Olynk for draft picks and/or a greater-controllable prospect.

I think the point is...we will take on the Olynyks and Dragics...the old guys with expiring contracts and I hope we don't get saddled with the restricted free agents to be.

I personally would take Dragic and offer him up to the Lakers/Clippers and see if they wouldn't want a really good point guard (though not as good as Lowry)...and see if you can milk them for an expiring contract and pick/prospect (not many of those...I'm aware...)...


We are at the deadline... Not enough time to take on a Dragic/Olynyk and rework a trade elsewhere. Clippers/Lakers or someone else have to emerge as the third team now for D.Robinson, Dragic and/or Olynyk.

There is a lot going on that we don't know...I don't believe Masai is the type to merely buy someone out so they can go help another team win...so if there is a team that loses out on the Lowry sweepstakes and we have a Dragic from that trade...it is the next best thing.
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Re: Stein/KOC - Heat most interested in Kyle, 76ers/clippers also interested 

Post#885 » by Rodrickle » Wed Mar 24, 2021 10:33 pm

Duncan Robinson would fit on the mavs well. They're interested in Danny Green and D. Robinson is better at this point. Cuban doesn't mind spending money and trading draft picks either

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Post#886 » by RapsFanInOhio » Wed Mar 24, 2021 10:41 pm

I don’t get what Indiana is doing. Give that roster another season with Nate and they’re a top 4 seed, I think. Warren being out has really hurt and now they’re open to moving everyone? I don’t get it.

Brogdon / LaVert / Warren / Sabonis / Turner is really good.
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Post#887 » by RaptorPride » Wed Mar 24, 2021 11:20 pm

RapsFanInOhio wrote:I don’t get what Indiana is doing. Give that roster another season with Nate and they’re a top 4 seed, I think. Warren being out has really hurt and now they’re open to moving everyone? I don’t get it.

Brogdon / LaVert / Warren / Sabonis / Turner is really good.

I hope we can somehow turn Powell into Turner.
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Post#888 » by mdenny » Wed Mar 24, 2021 11:35 pm

mtcan wrote:
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mtcan wrote:I think the point is...we will take on the Olynyks and Dragics...the old guys with expiring contracts and I hope we don't get saddled with the restricted free agents to be.

I personally would take Dragic and offer him up to the Lakers/Clippers and see if they wouldn't want a really good point guard (though not as good as Lowry)...and see if you can milk them for an expiring contract and pick/prospect (not many of those...I'm aware...)...


We are at the deadline... Not enough time to take on a Dragic/Olynyk and rework a trade elsewhere. Clippers/Lakers or someone else have to emerge as the third team now for D.Robinson, Dragic and/or Olynyk.

There is a lot going on that we don't know...I don't believe Masai is the type to merely buy someone out so they can go help another team win...so if there is a team that loses out on the Lowry sweepstakes and we have a Dragic from that trade...it is the next best thing.


Robinson and dragic and Olynuk would all be useful to a ton of teams for the playoffs and those secondary trades could be in the process of negotiation all along.

So if the final product is something like Precious, Herro, 2025 FRP, and then robinson/dragic/olynyk can collectively score a couple more picks/prospects I'd be delighted.
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Re: Stein/KOC - Heat most interested in Kyle, 76ers/clippers also interested 

Post#889 » by Raptors_128 » Wed Mar 24, 2021 11:40 pm

Rodrickle wrote:Duncan Robinson would fit on the mavs well. They're interested in Danny Green and D. Robinson is better at this point. Cuban doesn't mind spending money and trading draft picks either

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Danny Green can play defence and is a 39% 3-point shooter on 6 attempts per game. Duncan Robinson can’t play a lick of defence and is a 38% 3-point shooter on 8.5 attempts per game.

I rather have Danny Green.
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Post#890 » by alpngso » Wed Mar 24, 2021 11:42 pm

dennis schroder anyone?
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Post#891 » by Rodrickle » Wed Mar 24, 2021 11:47 pm

You're right he is shooting better this year, but he's played terribly the past two post seasons, and he can't defend like he used to. I'd rather have Robinson at this point in their careers.

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Post#892 » by mtcan » Wed Mar 24, 2021 11:48 pm

alpngso wrote:dennis schroder anyone?

Schroeder's essentially a warm body and an expiring contract. That is the extent of his value in a trade.
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Post#893 » by RaptorPride » Wed Mar 24, 2021 11:49 pm

Do not include Powell in the heat trade
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Post#894 » by baller16 » Wed Mar 24, 2021 11:49 pm

Jeez we better get a ransom for Powell
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Post#895 » by RaptorPride » Wed Mar 24, 2021 11:52 pm

baller16 wrote:Jeez we better get a ransom for Powell

Been in the playoffs every year, has proven he can contribute in the playoffs, made it all the way to the finals and won a ring, finally showing he can be a consistent offensive player, also a decent defender who fits perfectly in a 3&D league which teams would overpay for, no injuries this yea like years before, 27 just entering his prime
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Post#896 » by mtcan » Wed Mar 24, 2021 11:56 pm

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baller16 wrote:Jeez we better get a ransom for Powell

Been in the playoffs every year, has proven he can contribute in the playoffs, made it all the way to the finals and won a ring, finally showing he can be a consistent offensive player, also a decent defender who fits perfectly in a 3&D league which teams would overpay for, no injuries this yea like years before, 27 just entering his prime

...just don't tell teams that Norm needs to start in order for all that to happen. He is utterly useless if he has to come off the bench.
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Post#897 » by DelAbbot » Wed Mar 24, 2021 11:59 pm

Powell is 3&D wing without the D
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baller16 wrote:Jeez we better get a ransom for Powell

Been in the playoffs every year, has proven he can contribute in the playoffs, made it all the way to the finals and won a ring, finally showing he can be a consistent offensive player, also a decent defender who fits perfectly in a 3&D league which teams would overpay for, no injuries this yea like years before, 27 just entering his prime
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Post#898 » by RaptorPride » Wed Mar 24, 2021 11:59 pm

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baller16 wrote:Jeez we better get a ransom for Powell

Been in the playoffs every year, has proven he can contribute in the playoffs, made it all the way to the finals and won a ring, finally showing he can be a consistent offensive player, also a decent defender who fits perfectly in a 3&D league which teams would overpay for, no injuries this yea like years before, 27 just entering his prime

...just don't tell teams that Norm needs to start in order for all that to happen. He is utterly useless if he has to come off the bench.

I'm sure he would end up being a starter where ever he goes. Just his experience alone at the age of 27 would add a lot of value in a trade. How players have his playoff experience?

If we were on the other side we would be dying to trade for someone like Powell.
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Post#899 » by Pointgod » Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:00 am

alpngso wrote:dennis schroder anyone?


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Post#900 » by RaptorPride » Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:00 am

DelAbbot wrote:Powell is 3&D wing without the D
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baller16 wrote:Jeez we better get a ransom for Powell

Been in the playoffs every year, has proven he can contribute in the playoffs, made it all the way to the finals and won a ring, finally showing he can be a consistent offensive player, also a decent defender who fits perfectly in a 3&D league which teams would overpay for, no injuries this yea like years before, 27 just entering his prime

A decent defender nothing special. Teams would still want him.
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