With the 4th Pick, the Raptors select Scottie Barnes! Part 2

[normgod6]

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yeah this seems to fit with the eye test pretty well. When hes given the chance hes creating good looks for himself. Its why hes shooting so much free throws

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[TravisScott55]

I think a good comp for him is Jimmy Butler

[mihaic]

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yeah this seems to fit with the eye test pretty well. When hes given the chance hes creating good looks for himself. Its why hes shooting so much free throws

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I feel like I am blind I can't make who the players are, nor what is good and bad on the graphs and especially not the point of those graphs.

[Clay Davis]

I think a good comp for him is Jimmy Butler

Longer Jimmy Butler is a top player in the league. Not unlike PG13

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[normgod6]

I think a good comp for him is Jimmy Butler

yeah i was thinking jimmy butler is a good comp too. Not a great shooter but a good passer, below the rim finisher but an elite foul drawer. If Barnes learns how to draw fouls like Butler, with his additional size and length, he has chance to be one of the best offensive engines the league

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[WuTang_CMB]

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[Dalek]

I can almost guarantee you his mass will increase after some years in the NBA. Without even intentionally bulking up.

You can also build mass without going to the extent of damaging ones mobility.

Even if he stays a consistent 225 for his entire career, no one is upset.

He will likely be walking around like a Lebron size. 240 seems to make sense for him when he fills out

Is it just sacrilege to bring up the LeBron comp?

The body is trending there for sure.

The handle. A willingness to pass, and a desire to be a playmaker/PG.

He obviously doesn't do anything at the level LeBron does/did, but the body and the archetype is very Bron-esque.

I see that (or Simmons) more than Kawhi and Giannis.

I'd only say that other than the other worldly skill that Scottie would likely never possess, Lebron is about 260 lbs right now and likely was around 245 lbs as a rookie. He was a football player with Magic Johnson like skills.

Barnes is around 225 and if he got bigger it would be to his detriment since he is not overly explosive. I think Barnes is at his ideal size right now, he just needs to improve conditioning and overall flexibility.

[Dalek]

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Grown, Paul Jones the "analyst" for the Raptors. This guy is just happy to have a broadcast job.

Part of the interview was him talking about Scottie's infectious clapping, and the other half was how offense can be figured out with enough reps. I prefer hearing what people outside Toronto think because they are just more measured and in most cases more knowledgeable.

David Thorpe was discussing Scottie on Truehoop (listen from 13:45). He was happy to praise him, but still kind of measured in his review of Scottie.

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Thorpe loves everything about the kid, but the comment about Scottie becoming more of a "me" player over a "we" player is where he needs to grow most. He mentioned Marvin Williams and I totally got that reference. Another top pick who can do everything, but just wanted to fit into the NBA. Both him and Scottie were 6th men in college and kind of the glue guys. Scottie will need to become the alpha more, and you can see it already in flashes.

[StopitLeo]

I feel like I am blind I can't make who the players are, nor what is good and bad on the graphs and especially not the point of those graphs.

It’s not just you. They chose a terrible way of visualizing the data.

[Rebel INS]

He will likely be walking around like a Lebron size. 240 seems to make sense for him when he fills out

Is it just sacrilege to bring up the LeBron comp?

The body is trending there for sure.

The handle. A willingness to pass, and a desire to be a playmaker/PG.

He obviously doesn't do anything at the level LeBron does/did, but the body and the archetype is very Bron-esque.

I see that (or Simmons) more than Kawhi and Giannis.

I'd only say that other than the other worldly skill that Scottie would likely never possess, Lebron is about 260 lbs right now and likely was around 245 lbs as a rookie. He was a football player with Magic Johnson like skills.

Barnes is around 225 and if he got bigger it would be to his detriment since he is not overly explosive. I think Barnes is at his ideal size right now, he just needs to improve conditioning and overall flexibility.

IDK why so many people envision Barnes putting on any more size. It feels they only want/expect that because its just what you generally expect from rookies

Kid is the definition of an NBA ready body. If the plan is to develop Barnes as a wing/primarily perimeter defender, his physique is basically a finished product. Besides all time genetic freaks like Lebron, he's as big or bigger than every wing in the league.

225 lean is more than strong enough to set hard screens, finish through contact and guard 1 thru 4 on postups. Only scenerio I can see him not being big/strong enough is if we try developing him into a small ball centre - which seems contrary to all signs re teams vision for his upside

Given how much skill development that's ahead of him, strength development should be an afterthought. If there's anything he should be working on with s+c staff, its the 'c' and maybe plyometric type stuff to work on explosion

[Jcity08]

No one wants Barnes to add size, saying that it looks like he has the frame to put on more size doesnt mean anyone is demanding that he bulk up.

[StopitLeo]

Thorpe loves everything about the kid, but the comment about Scottie becoming more of a "me" player over a "we" player is where he needs to grow most. He mentioned Marvin Williams and I totally got that reference. Another top pick who can do everything, but just wanted to fit into the NBA. Both him and Scottie were 6th men in college and kind of the glue guys. Scottie will need to become the alpha more, and you can see it already in flashes.

Scottie was never meant to be a 6th man. His coach has said that Barnes hurt his ankle and they wanted him to be able to come into the games warm. In order to do that they kept him on the bench so he could ride a stationary bike before he entered the game.

[WuTang_CMB]

Is it just sacrilege to bring up the LeBron comp?

The body is trending there for sure.

The handle. A willingness to pass, and a desire to be a playmaker/PG.

He obviously doesn't do anything at the level LeBron does/did, but the body and the archetype is very Bron-esque.

I see that (or Simmons) more than Kawhi and Giannis.

I'd only say that other than the other worldly skill that Scottie would likely never possess, Lebron is about 260 lbs right now and likely was around 245 lbs as a rookie. He was a football player with Magic Johnson like skills.

Barnes is around 225 and if he got bigger it would be to his detriment since he is not overly explosive. I think Barnes is at his ideal size right now, he just needs to improve conditioning and overall flexibility.

IDK why so many people envision Barnes putting on any more size. It feels they only want/expect that because its just what you generally expect from rookies

Kid is the definition of an NBA ready body. If the plan is to develop Barnes as a wing/primarily perimeter defender, his physique is basically a finished product. Besides all time genetic freaks like Lebron, he's as big or bigger than every wing in the league.

225 lean is more than strong enough to set hard screens, finish through contact and guard 1 thru 4 on postups. Only scenerio I can see him not being big/strong enough is if we try developing him into a small ball centre - which seems contrary to all signs re teams vision for his upside

Given how much skill development that's ahead of him, strength development should be an afterthought. If there's anything he should be working on with s+c staff, its the 'c' and maybe plyometric type stuff to work on explosion

He's only 20. He will still fill in his body and theres still the possibility he grows taller. Even if he doesn't, he will most certainly get stronger and add lean mass, its just natural progression of an athlete.

[WuTang_CMB]

Thorpe loves everything about the kid, but the comment about Scottie becoming more of a "me" player over a "we" player is where he needs to grow most. He mentioned Marvin Williams and I totally got that reference. Another top pick who can do everything, but just wanted to fit into the NBA. Both him and Scottie were 6th men in college and kind of the glue guys. Scottie will need to become the alpha more, and you can see it already in flashes.

Scottie was never meant to be a 6th man. His coach has said that Barnes hurt his ankle and they wanted him to be able to come into the games warm. In order to do that they kept him on the bench so he could ride a stationary bike before he entered the game.

It was also mentioned by Thorp that the team went on a winning streak when Barnes went down and then when Barnes was ready to come back (4-5 games), he thought it woud be best for the team to not mess up the starting lineup and he chose to come off the bench.

[WuTang_CMB]

THORPE: "MASAI IS FKIN THRILLED TO HAVE SCOTTIE"

LOL .. u love to hear it

[StopitLeo]

Thorpe loves everything about the kid, but the comment about Scottie becoming more of a "me" player over a "we" player is where he needs to grow most. He mentioned Marvin Williams and I totally got that reference. Another top pick who can do everything, but just wanted to fit into the NBA. Both him and Scottie were 6th men in college and kind of the glue guys. Scottie will need to become the alpha more, and you can see it already in flashes.

Scottie was never meant to be a 6th man. His coach has said that Barnes hurt his ankle and they wanted him to be able to come into the games warm. In order to do that they kept him on the bench so he could ride a stationary bike before he entered the game.

It was also mentioned by Thorp that the team went on a winning streak when Barnes went down and then when Barnes was ready to come back (4-5 games), he thought it woud be best for the team to not mess up the starting lineup and he chose to come off the bench.

The sentiment makes sense but Barnes only missed 1 game after he sprained his ankle. I guess he meant the team won a few games with Scottie coming off the bench so he decided to just go with it.

[YelloC]

I'd only say that other than the other worldly skill that Scottie would likely never possess, Lebron is about 260 lbs right now and likely was around 245 lbs as a rookie. He was a football player with Magic Johnson like skills.

Barnes is around 225 and if he got bigger it would be to his detriment since he is not overly explosive. I think Barnes is at his ideal size right now, he just needs to improve conditioning and overall flexibility.

IDK why so many people envision Barnes putting on any more size. It feels they only want/expect that because its just what you generally expect from rookies

Kid is the definition of an NBA ready body. If the plan is to develop Barnes as a wing/primarily perimeter defender, his physique is basically a finished product. Besides all time genetic freaks like Lebron, he's as big or bigger than every wing in the league.

225 lean is more than strong enough to set hard screens, finish through contact and guard 1 thru 4 on postups. Only scenerio I can see him not being big/strong enough is if we try developing him into a small ball centre - which seems contrary to all signs re teams vision for his upside

Given how much skill development that's ahead of him, strength development should be an afterthought. If there's anything he should be working on with s+c staff, its the 'c' and maybe plyometric type stuff to work on explosion

He's only 20. He will still fill in his body and theres still the possibility he grows taller. Even if he doesn't, he will most certainly get stronger and add lean mass, its just natural progression of an athlete.

If you project Barnes to begin his prime at 24-25, LeBron will likely/possibly be retired which could make Scottie the strongest playmaking wing in the League.
Just with natural weight gain with his wide shoulders and not at all lanky, he’ll likely end up in the 245-255 range unless he grows an inch or two.
Siakam has likely put on 15-25 pounds since entering the League and without seeing them side by side, it looks like Scottie is already thicker than Siakam.

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[Vampirate]

No one wants Barnes to add size, saying that it looks like he has the frame to put on more size doesnt mean anyone is demanding that he bulk up.

I mean, why not, Barnes game isn't predicted on speed, it's length plus ball handling/passing. If the guy can put on muscle to the point he can bully to the rim it'll only enhance the rest of his game.

The ability to not care about what opposing defenses throws at you and deliver regardless it what separates an All Star from a Superstar.

[Vampirate]

Barnes gets really low in his crouch when he's defending on the perimeter and then boom he's like a giant when gets back upright. Haven't really seen anyone quite like him. None of the comparables really fit.

Not skill wise obviously, but physically he's probably a taller, but weaker Kawhi. Kawhi is just a brute.