Tank World Order (6.0)

[Bruin]

This French kid is pretty interesting. 6’11 with a 7’3” wingspan (although idk if that’s accurate). Pretty damn mobile for his size

Haven’t really seen him in mocks so maybe he could be an option in the 2nd round

Here’s an article with an interview. He compared himself to Bam

https://www.basketballnews.com/stories/2022-nba-draft-qa-french-big-man-ismael-kamagate

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[720]

This French kid is pretty interesting. 6’11 with a 7’3” wingspan (although idk if that’s accurate). Pretty damn mobile for his size

Haven’t really seen him in mocks so maybe he could be an option in the 2nd round

Here’s an article with an interview. He compared himself to Bam

https://www.basketballnews.com/stories/2022-nba-draft-qa-french-big-man-ismael-kamagate

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Bro this guy is so agile.

Look at how quickly he’s moving his feet for his size.

[Bruin]

This French kid is pretty interesting. 6’11 with a 7’3” wingspan (although idk if that’s accurate). Pretty damn mobile for his size

Haven’t really seen him in mocks so maybe he could be an option in the 2nd round

Here’s an article with an interview. He compared himself to Bam

https://www.basketballnews.com/stories/2022-nba-draft-qa-french-big-man-ismael-kamagate

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Bro this guy is so agile.

Look at how quickly he’s moving his feet for his size.

He moves like he’s 6’6” lmao

[720]

This French kid is pretty interesting. 6’11 with a 7’3” wingspan (although idk if that’s accurate). Pretty damn mobile for his size

Haven’t really seen him in mocks so maybe he could be an option in the 2nd round

Here’s an article with an interview. He compared himself to Bam

https://www.basketballnews.com/stories/2022-nba-draft-qa-french-big-man-ismael-kamagate

Bro this guy is so agile.

Look at how quickly he’s moving his feet for his size.

He moves like he’s 6’6” lmao

We don’t have our second rounder this year right? A shame. He’s probably going in the second round.

[Bruin]

Bro this guy is so agile.

Look at how quickly he’s moving his feet for his size.

He moves like he’s 6’6” lmao

We don’t have our second rounder this year right? A shame. He’s probably going in the second round.

Getting a 2nd should be easy. if Masai likes a guy I’m sure he’ll buy a pick or whatever. Also keeping hope we end up trading Svi for a 2nd like we did with Thomas and TD last year

[billy_hoyle]

Well to be fair, you guys did a terrible job as the players you guys salivated over have done awful i.e. Jalen Green and Jalen Suggs. And you guys practically had a meltdown on draft day when we drafted Barnes.

Okay? And what’s the purpose of this comment? We all watched Scottie too. We didn’t see him having this kind of potential growth, but thankfully Masai did

Does that mean that watching college prospects last season was wrong though? Like I’m failing to see why you think our scouting and judgement is a problem with regards to us CHOOSING to watch college prospects and discuss about them. What’s the issue with that? We like to think of the future of the team and the league and some of us enjoy watching film on prospects and discussing

Why is it that you think that’s such a problem? Nobody is forcing you to participate in these discussions. You, and many others (funny that a large portion of which are burners) choose to come and derail the conversations

We talked plenty about Cade, Mobley, Green, Suggs, Kuminga, idk what burner account was expecting. For us to predict Barnes' rise during the combine? lol

I think he's just trying to re-iterate the point many people make, and that last season should be proof positive for you two (720 & PrinceAli). That tanking doesn't guarantee anything, the draft is unpredictable to people that aren't good scouts, and it's more important to have great scouting then it is to have a high pick.

I think there is a higher likelihood that Masai picks a better player at 12 then either of you would at 5.

The talent drain for us to trade off good players to bottom out and get a higher pick (like trading Siakam or FVV), is NOT worth the marginal increase in predicted draft value.

If we had a different front office, I think more cracks at a high pick might make sense, but we are fortunate to have the best FO, and that's why we might have the best rookie in the class at 4 (and not Suggs - who I most definitely would have picked).

[mdenny]

Okay? And what’s the purpose of this comment? We all watched Scottie too. We didn’t see him having this kind of potential growth, but thankfully Masai did

Does that mean that watching college prospects last season was wrong though? Like I’m failing to see why you think our scouting and judgement is a problem with regards to us CHOOSING to watch college prospects and discuss about them. What’s the issue with that? We like to think of the future of the team and the league and some of us enjoy watching film on prospects and discussing

Why is it that you think that’s such a problem? Nobody is forcing you to participate in these discussions. You, and many others (funny that a large portion of which are burners) choose to come and derail the conversations

We talked plenty about Cade, Mobley, Green, Suggs, Kuminga, idk what burner account was expecting. For us to predict Barnes' rise during the combine? lol

I think he's just trying to re-iterate the point many people make, and that last season should be proof positive for you two (720 & PrinceAli). That tanking doesn't guarantee anything, the draft is unpredictable to people that aren't good scouts, and it's more important to have great scouting then it is to have a high pick.

I think there is a higher likelihood that Masai picks a better player at 12 then either of you would at 5.

The talent drain for us to trade off good players to bottom out and get a higher pick (like trading Siakam or FVV), is NOT worth the marginal increase in predicted draft value.

If we had a different front office, I think more cracks at a high pick might make sense, but we are fortunate to have the best FO, and that's why we might have the best rookie in the class at 4 (and not Suggs - who I most definitely would have picked).

Some interesting points. The debate is kinda tired. For me....it comes down to this: the more parity a given league has....the more effective tanking strategies work.

One would think that tanking would work best in the nba because a single player has a greater effect than the other american sports. But the evidence suggests otherwise. If tanking worked...there would be parity. There's not parity in nba. Therefor it doesn't work.

Invoking "poor management" is a whole other can of beans and involves a whole other set of motivated reasoning. It's a rationalization to counter what the clear and overwhelming evidemce suggests.

That doesn't mean there's not instances where it DOES work. But it does mean that it's not a viable strategy under the large majority of conditions.

A major factor that pro-tankers don't acknowledge....superstar players often leave their drafting team if they're not major markets. Lebron left the cavs. AD left the pelicans. KD left OKC. Zion can't wait to leave the pelicans. So even when you buck the odds and strike gold you STILL have to deal with that in our market.

And finally...the position taken by some in this camp that is MOST bizarre are those who claim our management is bad....tanking is a good idea....and the reason tanking doesnt work for other teams is bad management.
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Doesn't take much critical thinking to realize how THAT makes no sense.

[B-Ball Freak]

How does this years draft class look compared to last years?

[will]

Need that Scottie & Chet.

[CoinTossRoss31]

How does this years draft class look compared to last years?

Weaker.

Honestly lots of question marks in this draft among the top guys

1. Paulo - Cramps and water loss in games
2. Chet - Size. People were knocking mobley for being thin lol. Mobley looks like he has 50 pounds on this guy.
3. Duren - Not impressing at all. Losing hype
4. Hardy - Also not impressing.


Good news is though we have one of the best scouting departments in the league. So while of course a top 4 lottery win pick would have insane value for them, I trust even if we are picking 10- 18 (Yuck!) We will still come out of it with a top 10 prospect overall.

Guys I like:

Jabari Smith - Big PF who can be a dominant inside presence and can also space the floor when needed

Keegan Murray - Smaller SF/PF that is having a stellar defensive NCAA season.

[720]

Okay? And what’s the purpose of this comment? We all watched Scottie too. We didn’t see him having this kind of potential growth, but thankfully Masai did

Does that mean that watching college prospects last season was wrong though? Like I’m failing to see why you think our scouting and judgement is a problem with regards to us CHOOSING to watch college prospects and discuss about them. What’s the issue with that? We like to think of the future of the team and the league and some of us enjoy watching film on prospects and discussing

Why is it that you think that’s such a problem? Nobody is forcing you to participate in these discussions. You, and many others (funny that a large portion of which are burners) choose to come and derail the conversations

We talked plenty about Cade, Mobley, Green, Suggs, Kuminga, idk what burner account was expecting. For us to predict Barnes' rise during the combine? lol

I think he's just trying to re-iterate the point many people make, and that last season should be proof positive for you two (720 & PrinceAli). That tanking doesn't guarantee anything, the draft is unpredictable to people that aren't good scouts, and it's more important to have great scouting then it is to have a high pick.

I think there is a higher likelihood that Masai picks a better player at 12 then either of you would at 5.

The talent drain for us to trade off good players to bottom out and get a higher pick (like trading Siakam or FVV), is NOT worth the marginal increase in predicted draft value.

If we had a different front office, I think more cracks at a high pick might make sense, but we are fortunate to have the best FO, and that's why we might have the best rookie in the class at 4 (and not Suggs - who I most definitely would have picked).

No one here wants a Hinkie level tank (wouldn’t be against it a decade from now but currently no need). We’re just not that good we’ll lose games regardless. I wouldn’t mind if we traded Vanvleet since his value is at its peak imo. But other than that I don’t think we should “bottom out”.

All last year the main point we made was that we suck and are and should embrace the draft. That going for a high lotto pick is better than revelling in mediocrity.

That a high draft pick is the best way to get a blue chip player, someone that can actually impact the game and maybe grow into a star.

That is EXACTLY what has happened with Scottie.

You guys can’t just come around and say ‘Oh see lol you guys didn’t even know Barnes was gonna be good!’, and that the draft is unpredictable.

That’s irrelevant to the main point of these discussions. Masai, Bobby, Tolzman are the reason why we have trust that they’ll land a great player with a top 8 pick. As for us we’re not scouts. We are just guys that post and talk about top prospects.

[Bruin]

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Ja Morant that shoots better from 3?

[Psubs]

How does this years draft class look compared to last years?

Weaker.

Honestly lots of question marks in this draft among the top guys

1. Paulo - Cramps and water loss in games
2. Chet - Size. People were knocking mobley for being thin lol. Mobley looks like he has 50 pounds on this guy.
3. Duren - Not impressing at all. Losing hype
4. Hardy - Also not impressing.


Good news is though we have one of the best scouting departments in the league. So while of course a top 4 lottery win pick would have insane value for them, I trust even if we are picking 10- 18 (Yuck!) We will still come out of it with a top 10 prospect overall.

Guys I like:

Jabari Smith - Big PF who can be a dominant inside presence and can also space the floor when needed

Keegan Murray - Smaller SF/PF that is having a stellar defensive NCAA season.

Jabari Smith and Jaden Ivey look like they should be in the top 3.

https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/

What if the Raptors got Jalen Duren? Kwame Brown with better hands?

Maybe he's like a rich man's Dale Davis?

[Bruin]

Tank for Jabari/Ivey/Mathurin

[Psubs]

Mathurin looks like young Derozan that can shoot 3's!

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Need that Scottie & Chet.

Imagine we do get Scottie & Chet...then we can go full Hinkie! Perfect time for a COMPLETE TEARDOWN.

Silver (to Masai): you never want to go full Hinkie.

[will]

Need that Scottie & Chet.

Imagine we do get Scottie & Chet...then we can go full Hinkie! Perfect time for a COMPLETE TEARDOWN.

Silver (to Masai): you never want to go full Hinkie.

Just speaking Scottie & Chet into existence like LaVar spoke his boys playing in the NBA into existence.

[Syd-TK3]

Ivey might be #1

[Tacoma]

Okay? And what’s the purpose of this comment? We all watched Scottie too. We didn’t see him having this kind of potential growth, but thankfully Masai did

Does that mean that watching college prospects last season was wrong though? Like I’m failing to see why you think our scouting and judgement is a problem with regards to us CHOOSING to watch college prospects and discuss about them. What’s the issue with that? We like to think of the future of the team and the league and some of us enjoy watching film on prospects and discussing

Why is it that you think that’s such a problem? Nobody is forcing you to participate in these discussions. You, and many others (funny that a large portion of which are burners) choose to come and derail the conversations

We talked plenty about Cade, Mobley, Green, Suggs, Kuminga, idk what burner account was expecting. For us to predict Barnes' rise during the combine? lol

I think he's just trying to re-iterate the point many people make, and that last season should be proof positive for you two (720 & PrinceAli). That tanking doesn't guarantee anything, the draft is unpredictable to people that aren't good scouts, and it's more important to have great scouting then it is to have a high pick.

I think there is a higher likelihood that Masai picks a better player at 12 then either of you would at 5.

The talent drain for us to trade off good players to bottom out and get a higher pick (like trading Siakam or FVV), is NOT worth the marginal increase in predicted draft value.

If we had a different front office, I think more cracks at a high pick might make sense, but we are fortunate to have the best FO, and that's why we might have the best rookie in the class at 4 (and not Suggs - who I most definitely would have picked).

That Masai can pick better than any of us is irrelevant because we are not picking. What is relevant is how well Masai picks and he does very well. Therefore, since there's a greater likelihood of a better talent pool at 5 than at 12, then to rephrase your sentence:

I think there's a higher likelhood that Masai picks a better player at 5 than at 12.

It is also likely that Barnes will be better than any player picked after him, so had we not tanked, Masai likely would've picked a good but lesser player than Barnes. Thus tanking worked.