2023 Draft Prospect discussion

WuTang_CMB · Post #881 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Tue Jan 17, 2023 12:40 am

I dont see this draft that deep. but i do like the top end 8-9 guys. After 15 guys, i'd say it drops off. see how things change in coming weeks

Kevin Willis · Post #882 » by **Kevin Willis** » Tue Jan 17, 2023 1:04 am

WuTang_OG wrote:I dont see this draft that deep. but i do like the top end 8-9 guys. After 15 guys, i'd say it drops off. see how things change in coming weeks

Respectfully disagree. Last year was a different type of draft where you can get the same quality player at 40 where you could find at 20. For example Andrew Nembhard was at 31. Jaden Hardy was 37. They are as good Branham and Patrick Baldwin in the 20s.

This year is not like that but the first round has plenty of good players. A team with a high first and second round can get two good really players. Second round does drop off quite a bit.

WuTang_CMB · Post #883 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Tue Jan 17, 2023 1:26 am

Kevin Willis wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:I dont see this draft that deep. but i do like the top end 8-9 guys. After 15 guys, i'd say it drops off. see how things change in coming weeks

Respectfully disagree. Last year was a different type of draft where you can get the same quality player at 40 where you could find at 20. For example Andrew Nembhard was at 31. Jaden Hardy was 37. They are as good Branham and Patrick Baldwin in the 20s.

This year is not like that but the first round has plenty of good players. A team with a high first and second round can get two good really players. Second round does drop off quite a bit.

I just hope we draft in the top 10

Psubs · Post #884 » by **Psubs** » Tue Jan 17, 2023 1:30 am

Kevin Willis wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:I dont see this draft that deep. but i do like the top end 8-9 guys. After 15 guys, i'd say it drops off. see how things change in coming weeks

Respectfully disagree. Last year was a different type of draft where you can get the same quality player at 40 where you could find at 20. For example Andrew Nembhard was at 31. Jaden Hardy was 37. They are as good Branham and Patrick Baldwin in the 20s.

This year is not like that but the first round has plenty of good players. A team with a high first and second round can get two good really players. Second round does drop off quite a bit.

Early 2nd round players I like are Azuolas Tubelis, Sidy Cissoko, Adan Flagler, Kyle Filipowski, Colby Jones.

I feel like Colby could be the next Malcolm Brogdon. Though him shooting FT's at only 75% maybe not.

Also, I'd take a flyer on Emoni Bates like Dallas drafting Jaden Hardy early in the 2nd.

PG Dyson Daniels
SG Emoni Bates
SF OG
PF Barnes
C Pascal

PhilBlackson · Post #885 » by **PhilBlackson** » Tue Jan 17, 2023 1:44 am

Mark_83 wrote:Unpopular opinion but I'm not that high on the Thompson twins. Maybe there's intricacies to their game that you can't spot in highlights, but for as amazing athletes as they are supposed to be I haven't see any highlights that showcase jaw-dropping athleticism. I've seen it from Whitmore on quite a few occasions this year for example, where the freakish athleticism puts you in awe. With the twins I see the elite athleticism that you see every draft, but I'm not not seeing that transcendent athleticism you see only once in a decade or even five year span. They're closer to a Terrence Ross-level athlete than a Vince Carter imo (not in terms of playing style/potential, just in terms of raw athleticism).

Don't get me wrong, I'd still take them just based on talent depending where on the draft board we are. But they haven't really wowed me with anything I've seen, and the shooting deficiencies are real concerns if they're going to be wings in this league. There's plenty of hyper athletic players in the NBA who never amounted to much due to lack of shooting at that position.

Yeah sorry I don't really agree with the Ross comparison especially in terms of elite first step & speed up & down the court. The Thompson Twins are exceptionally quick moving players that also are really good at change of pace which is a lot of why they have the passing numbers (along with their court vision) because that elite burst allows them to blow by defenders, collapse a defence for all those assists they rack up & if not it's usually them punching it home. Ausar may not quite be but Amen is every bit an electric athlete (although I will say he has looked a little less than himself last year), I'm not sure if anyone is in Vince's bracket but I legit don't know how you can't see that kid is a different athlete. I'd put Amen up there with just about anyone with maybe the exception of Ja (who scouts say his game most resembles)....

However the only thing I would be concerned about is how many big time shooting projects would this team want to have in the starting lineup?! lol Because it can be an UGLY period of time before those guys (ie/ Scottie & a Thompson Twin) reaches the point where teams will even worry about the jumper as it was for Pascal. Also part of why Ausar may actually be a better FIT than Amen, because Ausar has shown some shooting TOUCH (the numbers are decent) but the mechanics will need to be cleaned up in his lower body as was the case for OG. But if he can, Ausar has damn good athleticism too, almost like a taller Wade, where he moves really quickly & a sneaky great athlete but yes not a draw jopping leaper but the burst off the bounce is there.

Rapsfan07 · Post #886 » by **Rapsfan07** » Tue Jan 17, 2023 2:12 am

Psubs wrote:
Kevin Willis wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:I dont see this draft that deep. but i do like the top end 8-9 guys. After 15 guys, i'd say it drops off. see how things change in coming weeks

Respectfully disagree. Last year was a different type of draft where you can get the same quality player at 40 where you could find at 20. For example Andrew Nembhard was at 31. Jaden Hardy was 37. They are as good Branham and Patrick Baldwin in the 20s.

This year is not like that but the first round has plenty of good players. A team with a high first and second round can get two good really players. Second round does drop off quite a bit.

Early 2nd round players I like are Azuolas Tubelis, Sidy Cissoko, Adan Flagler, Kyle Filipowski, Colby Jones.

I feel like Colby could be the next Malcolm Brogdon. Though him shooting FT's at only 75% maybe not.

Also, I'd take a flyer on Emoni Bates like Dallas drafting Jaden Hardy early in the 2nd.

PG Dyson Daniels
SG Emoni Bates
SF OG
PF Barnes
C Pascal

I like Colby Jones as well but I think he will end up the first round.

I also think Hood-Schifino shouldn't be slept on either. Either one of them with a late first would be amazing.

Kevin Willis · Post #887 » by **Kevin Willis** » Tue Jan 17, 2023 3:52 am

Psubs wrote:
Kevin Willis wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:I dont see this draft that deep. but i do like the top end 8-9 guys. After 15 guys, i'd say it drops off. see how things change in coming weeks

Respectfully disagree. Last year was a different type of draft where you can get the same quality player at 40 where you could find at 20. For example Andrew Nembhard was at 31. Jaden Hardy was 37. They are as good Branham and Patrick Baldwin in the 20s.

This year is not like that but the first round has plenty of good players. A team with a high first and second round can get two good really players. Second round does drop off quite a bit.

Early 2nd round players I like are Azuolas Tubelis, Sidy Cissoko, Adan Flagler, Kyle Filipowski, Colby Jones.

I feel like Colby could be the next Malcolm Brogdon. Though him shooting FT's at only 75% maybe not.

Also, I'd take a flyer on Emoni Bates like Dallas drafting Jaden Hardy early in the 2nd.

PG Dyson Daniels
SG Emoni Bates
SF OG
PF Barnes
C Pascal

Bates is a really good pick. I think he's going to be a beast in testing and drills, so he might rise.

Psubs · Post #888 » by **Psubs** » Tue Jan 17, 2023 2:37 pm

Kevin Willis wrote:
Psubs wrote:
Kevin Willis wrote:
Respectfully disagree. Last year was a different type of draft where you can get the same quality player at 40 where you could find at 20. For example Andrew Nembhard was at 31. Jaden Hardy was 37. They are as good Branham and Patrick Baldwin in the 20s.

This year is not like that but the first round has plenty of good players. A team with a high first and second round can get two good really players. Second round does drop off quite a bit.

Early 2nd round players I like are Azuolas Tubelis, Sidy Cissoko, Adan Flagler, Kyle Filipowski, Colby Jones.

I feel like Colby could be the next Malcolm Brogdon. Though him shooting FT's at only 75% maybe not.

Also, I'd take a flyer on Emoni Bates like Dallas drafting Jaden Hardy early in the 2nd.

PG Dyson Daniels
SG Emoni Bates
SF OG
PF Barnes
C Pascal

Bates is a really good pick. I think he's going to be a beast in testing and drills, so he might rise.

Do you think he'll test well? He has like the quickest release like Dick but maybe slightly better handles. Maybe he's like Dejounte Murray with less passing but quick shot with range. Murray was drafted #29.

I do think he'd play well in 3 on 3 and 5 on 5's.

ItsDanger · Post #889 » by **ItsDanger** » Tue Jan 17, 2023 4:32 pm

Read on Twitter

Should start on right block more often. If he uses fakes, its a tough cover.

S.W.A.N · Post #890 » by **S.W.A.N** » Tue Jan 17, 2023 7:30 pm

Reeko wrote:Any chance Brandon Miller goes ahead of Scoot?

WIthout an injury?

No. Scoot seems to have that 2 spot on lockdown. His potential as a game changing lead guard and showing against g-league competition is elite.

Brandon Miller probably in the 3-6 range.

Kevin Willis · Post #891 » by **Kevin Willis** » Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:53 pm

Psubs wrote:
Kevin Willis wrote:
Psubs wrote:
Early 2nd round players I like are Azuolas Tubelis, Sidy Cissoko, Adan Flagler, Kyle Filipowski, Colby Jones.

I feel like Colby could be the next Malcolm Brogdon. Though him shooting FT's at only 75% maybe not.

Also, I'd take a flyer on Emoni Bates like Dallas drafting Jaden Hardy early in the 2nd.

PG Dyson Daniels
SG Emoni Bates
SF OG
PF Barnes
C Pascal

Bates is a really good pick. I think he's going to be a beast in testing and drills, so he might rise.

Do you think he'll test well? He has like the quickest release like Dick but maybe slightly better handles. Maybe he's like Dejounte Murray with less passing but quick shot with range. Murray was drafted #29.

I do think he'd play well in 3 on 3 and 5 on 5's.

Ahh Dejounte. He was drafted too low and his teammate was drafted way too high. His first year was sub-par, he's the type of player you dream of taking late in the first.

Bates has the potential to be a poor man's Dick. If he has a more defined role, he can be a steal. Make him our SG and we'll be ok.

Mark_83 · Post #892 » by **Mark_83** » Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:55 pm

Where we're currently slated to pick I hope we get one of Wallace, Walker, Whitmore, Black, or George.

Trying to picture how each would fit on our roster:

Siakam PF
OG SF
Barnes C
GTJ SG
Wallace PG

Barnes PF
Siakam SF
Walker C
OG SG
FVV PG

Siakam PF
OG SF
Barnes C
GTJ SG
Black PG

Siakam PF
Whitmore SF
Barnes C
OG SG
FVV PG

Siakam PF
OG SF
Barnes C
GTJ SG
George PG

Rapsfan07 · Post #893 » by **Rapsfan07** » Tue Jan 17, 2023 9:28 pm

Mark_83 wrote:Where we're currently slated to pick I hope we get one of Wallace, Walker, Whitmore, Black, or George.

Trying to picture how each would fit on our roster:

Siakam PF
OG SF
Barnes C
GTJ SG
Wallace PG

Barnes PF
Siakam SF
Walker C
OG SG
FVV PG

Siakam PF
OG SF
Barnes C
GTJ SG
Black PG

Siakam PF
Whitmore SF
Barnes C
OG SG
FVV PG

Siakam PF
OG SF
Barnes C
GTJ SG
George PG

I personally don't like Barnes or Walker at C

Mark_83 · Post #894 » by **Mark_83** » Tue Jan 17, 2023 9:54 pm

Rapsfan07 wrote:
Mark_83 wrote:Where we're currently slated to pick I hope we get one of Wallace, Walker, Whitmore, Black, or George.

Trying to picture how each would fit on our roster:

Siakam PF
OG SF
Barnes C
GTJ SG
Wallace PG

Barnes PF
Siakam SF
Walker C
OG SG
FVV PG

Siakam PF
OG SF
Barnes C
GTJ SG
Black PG

Siakam PF
Whitmore SF
Barnes C
OG SG
FVV PG

Siakam PF
OG SF
Barnes C
GTJ SG
George PG

I personally don't like Barnes or Walker at C

Wallace probably fits better given his game. He kind of plays like Harrell with better shooting and ball skills.

PhilBlackson · Post #895 » by **PhilBlackson** » Tue Jan 17, 2023 10:06 pm

Mark_83 wrote:Where we're currently slated to pick I hope we get one of Wallace, Walker, Whitmore, Black, or George.

Trying to picture how each would fit on our roster:

Siakam PF
OG SF
Barnes C
GTJ SG
Wallace PG

Barnes PF
Siakam SF
Walker C
OG SG
FVV PG

Siakam PF
OG SF
Barnes C
GTJ SG
Black PG

Siakam PF
Whitmore SF
Barnes C
OG SG
FVV PG

Siakam PF
OG SF
Barnes C
GTJ SG
George PG

Personally my ideal would be to subtract both of Fred or Gary entirely (rather use them in trades to better fill out the roster, picks and/or rotation pieces for depth), use the money on trying to sign Turner (or re-sign if a 3 team trade is done with GT) instead then insert whichever rookie (although my personal favorite would be Jarace Walker (or Cam Whitmore)).

Scottie
OG
Pascal
Walker
Turner

That team would be NASTY! Long boi Vision achieved & easily one of the toughest defences (if not the toughest) in the league. You basically replace Fred & Gary's shooting with 2 MUCH larger dudes who can shoot 35+% and add a TON of defensive versatility, perimeter disruption, shotblocking/rim protection and a bunch of extra possessions from all the rebounds they'd gobble up. We'd be an insanely physical & tough team with a bunch of guys that can get 20+ on any given night with the 2 youngest having GREAT upside. If Jarace can reaches the heights of his potential, that to me could be a true contending team within a few years and for several.

Ell Curry · Post #896 » by **Ell Curry** » Wed Jan 18, 2023 1:19 am

ItsDanger wrote:

Read on Twitter

Should start on right block more often. If he uses fakes, its a tough cover.

I don't think he gets enough credit for his footwork and reading of the game. He's just a level ahead mentally of the typical Big 10 bigs like Dickinson, Cockburn and guys like that. People act like only guards get more space in the pros than college, but if Edey ends up on a team with skilled perimeter guys, he'll get the ball in spots where you can't defend him.

Defensively, I have no idea, but he's huge and he gives a damn. Michigan hasn't played Purdue yet so I'll take a closer look then.

I think the success of the Kessler pick will help him. He got played off the floor in the tourney after posting incredible advanced stats and Edey's are even better. So I think he'll sneak in the late first. High character dude who sounds very coachable, and even if he can't stay on the floor against Dallas or is a 15 minute guy in certain matchups, that's pretty normal for a center who makes 15-20M like Valanciaunas or Steven Adams and if you can get that sort of player for 4M a year, that's 10-15M in surplus value, and therefore a good pick once you get to #25 or so.

People love to project the draft, but if the best player in college basketball is over 6'1, he can only slip so far. And I don't mean best player like winning the Naismith, I mean advanced stats indicating he's the most impactful player in the country.

Mark_83 · Post #897 » by **Mark_83** » Wed Jan 18, 2023 2:21 am

PhilBlackson wrote:
Mark_83 wrote:Where we're currently slated to pick I hope we get one of Wallace, Walker, Whitmore, Black, or George.

Trying to picture how each would fit on our roster:

Siakam PF
OG SF
Barnes C
GTJ SG
Wallace PG

Barnes PF
Siakam SF
Walker C
OG SG
FVV PG

Siakam PF
OG SF
Barnes C
GTJ SG
Black PG

Siakam PF
Whitmore SF
Barnes C
OG SG
FVV PG

Siakam PF
OG SF
Barnes C
GTJ SG
George PG

Personally my ideal would be to subtract both of Fred or Gary entirely (rather use them in trades to better fill out the roster, picks and/or rotation pieces for depth), use the money on trying to sign Turner (or re-sign if a 3 team trade is done with GT) instead then insert whichever rookie (although my personal favorite would be Jarace Walker (or Cam Whitmore)).

Scottie
OG
Pascal
Walker
Turner

That team would be NASTY! Long boi Vision achieved & easily one of the toughest defences (if not the toughest) in the league. You basically replace Fred & Gary's shooting with 2 MUCH larger dudes who can shoot 35+% and add a TON of defensive versatility, perimeter disruption, shotblocking/rim protection and a bunch of extra possessions from all the rebounds they'd gobble up. We'd be an insanely physical & tough team with a bunch of guys that can get 20+ on any given night with the 2 youngest having GREAT upside. If Jarace can reaches the heights of his potential, that to me could be a true contending team within a few years and for several.

It looks nice on paper, but I don't really buy Scottie as a point guard long term. The guy's defense 1-5 has not quite developed as expected, and I don't think he can legitimate defend quicker guards. Granted, I don't think he necessarily lacks quickness so much as he plays aggressive rather than smart on smaller players, instead of using his length to give them a cushion he gets up on them and gets blown by. Right now Scottie is a PF who can capably guard one position up and one position down.

WuTang_CMB · Post #898 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Wed Jan 18, 2023 3:07 am

jalen wilson great game tn

dropped 38

BoyzNTheHood · Post #899 » by **BoyzNTheHood** » Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:33 am

S.W.A.N wrote:
Reeko wrote:Any chance Brandon Miller goes ahead of Scoot?

WIthout an injury?

No. Scoot seems to have that 2 spot on lockdown. His potential as a game changing lead guard and showing against g-league competition is elite.

Brandon Miller probably in the 3-6 range.

Yeah, no shot anyone passes Scoot at 2. Scoot is doing what he's doing against men, while everyone behind him is doing it against boys.

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Rapsfan07 · Post #900 » by **Rapsfan07** » Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:40 am

BoyzNTheHood wrote:
S.W.A.N wrote:
Reeko wrote:Any chance Brandon Miller goes ahead of Scoot?

WIthout an injury?

No. Scoot seems to have that 2 spot on lockdown. His potential as a game changing lead guard and showing against g-league competition is elite.

Brandon Miller probably in the 3-6 range.
Yeah, no shot anyone passes Scoot at 2. Scoot is doing what he's doing against men, while everyone behind him is doing it against boys.

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Yep. Scoot is doing this in the second best league in the world. No chance anyone leap frogs him unless he sustains a catastrophic injury