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Post#901 » by Sir-Swish-A-Lot » Sun May 3, 2020 11:18 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:As of today, who would you take with the 28th overall pick if you were Masai & why?


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Post#902 » by LoveMyRaps » Sun May 3, 2020 11:19 pm

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LoveMyRaps wrote:As of today, who would you take with the 28th overall pick if you were Masai & why?


As of today, if I'm basing availability by the Tankathon mock draft my top-5 for us at #28 would be...

1) Xavier Tillman
2) Tyrell Terry
3) Daniel Oturu
4) Precious Achiuwa
5) Desmond Bane

http://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft


Jordan Nwora is interesting according to that availability. In December, he had Louisville ranked #1 in the country, eventually evening out to #14.



Jordan Nwora put together an impressive 2019-20 season, becoming the only ACC player to rank in the top ten in points (18.0), rebounding (7.7), free throw percentage (.813), field goal percentage (.440) and three-pointers made per game (2.5).




https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/27490009/nigeria-jordan-nwora-no-coach-pet-even-coach-dad

He helped Nigeria beat team Canada.

https://www.busybuddiesng.com/2019-fiba-world-cup-real-reason-i-picked-my-son-jordan-dtigers-coach-alex-nwora/

“But if he’s one of those elite kids that we need to help us win just because he’s my son then somebody is definitely naive enough or not smart enough to know talent when they see one,” Nwora said of the player who averaged 17.2 PPG, 7.5 rebounds and 1.2 assists for his college team last season where he was voted the second most improved player in the NCAA and the most improved in the ACC.


Masai might not select him just because he's Nigerian. He seems like a really good prospect playing in one of the best conferences.


I'm a huge fan of Nwora, but goddamn Tankathon has Perry dropping to #44 and Oturu down to #37. :o I'd love to draft any one of those two with #28, would be a huge steal IMO. But I just don't see it happening.
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Post#903 » by Sir-Swish-A-Lot » Sun May 3, 2020 11:19 pm

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HeadtopChunes wrote:I also like Isiah Joe

Elite shooter + good defender

Maybe be Matt Thomas type who can actually guard



Low stock for some reason but he looks draftable to me


If we're looking for a Matt Thomas/JJ Reddick type of player... Payton Pritchard could be that guy. NBA range, tight handles, and lighting quick. His statistical improvement from his junior year to his senior year is what makes him a very intriguing choice for #58.

Payton Pritchard can't guard NBA pgs nor beat them off of the dribble. He's not lightning quick but he is a very heady, crafty player that maximizes his physical abilities. He has nice handles and good range on his jumper. But not at #28.

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Post#904 » by Indeed » Sun May 3, 2020 11:21 pm

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Indeed wrote:You are new in understanding how Ujiri drafts his players?
Wings: OG #23, Siakam #27
Guards: VanVleet #Undrafted, Davis #Undrafted (at most 2nd round pick), Powell #46

I feel it is unlikely we are going to trade Lowry to make Philly better and think we can acquire Giannis because we have some kind of top pick that can get us a rookie. I think we will trade away players who may not fit in our style for some assets, but not the other way around.


But does clearing $40 million allow the Raptors to sign Giannis plus another star if they let Ibaka/Gasol walk? Gobert?

#28 Tyrell Terry (PG that shoots 40% from 3)
#58 Malik Fitts (combo forward that shoots 40% from 3)

PG FVV - TD - #28
SG OG - Ball - Thomas
SF Siakam - OG - #58
PF Giannis - Siakam - Boucher
C Gobert - Giannis - FA


No, Lowry is expired right at the year Giannis becomes a free agent.
Powell is the only one with a player option that may extend a year on the Giannis free agent year.
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Post#905 » by Psubs » Sun May 3, 2020 11:22 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:I'm a huge fan of Nwora, but goddamn Tankathon has Perry dropping to #44 and Oturu down to #37. :o I'd love to draft any one of those two with #28, would be a huge steal IMO. But I just don't see it happening.


He has a nice quick release on his shot. :nod:

Being on the Nigerian national team can only help the Masai Ujiri connection, right? :reporter:
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Post#906 » by LoveMyRaps » Sun May 3, 2020 11:22 pm

Sir-Swish-A-Lot wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:I also like Isiah Joe

Elite shooter + good defender

Maybe be Matt Thomas type who can actually guard



Low stock for some reason but he looks draftable to me


If we're looking for a Matt Thomas/JJ Reddick type of player... Payton Pritchard could be that guy. NBA range, tight handles, and lighting quick. His statistical improvement from his junior year to his senior year is what makes him a very intriguing choice for #58.

Payton Pritchard can't guard NBA pgs nor beat them off of the dribble. He's not lightning quick but he is a very heady, crafty player that maximizes his physical abilities. He has nice handles and good range on his jumper. But not at #28.



Yeah, his defense is gonna a major weakness at the next level. We were discussing him for #58 though, not #28.
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Post#907 » by Mark_83 » Mon May 4, 2020 12:13 am

LoveMyRaps wrote:As of today, who would you take with the 28th overall pick if you were Masai & why?


Dream scenario for picks 28 and 58:

#28
Aaron Nesmith, SG
Devin Vassell, SG/SF
Oneyka Okongwu, PF/C
Tyrell Terry, PG
Robert Woodard, SF

#58
Xavier Tillman, PF/C
Cassius Stanley, SG
Malachi Flynn, PG
Paul Eboua, SF
Cassius Winston, PG

Semi-Realistic based on this ranking:

https://www.espn.com/nba/draft/bestavailable

#28
Paul Reed, PF
Devon Doston, PG
Jalen Smith, PF
Tyler Bey, SF
Tre Jones, PG

#58
Isaiah Joe, SG
Desmond Bane, SG
Markus Howard, PG
Mamadi Diakite, PF
Luka Garza, C
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Post#908 » by Syd-TK3 » Mon May 4, 2020 12:39 am

LoveMyRaps wrote:As of today, who would you take with the 28th overall pick if you were Masai & why?

This is a really hard question cause aside from the lottery a lot of guys are really spread out in the draft.
I'll break it down like this:

Possible droppers:
Kira lewis
Patrick Williams
Aaron Nesmith
Theo Maledon
Saddiq Bey

Realistic options:
Jalen Smith
Robbert woodard
Devon Dotson
Leandro
Jahmius Ramsey

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Grant riller
Naji Marshall
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Post#909 » by Indeed » Mon May 4, 2020 2:48 am

LoveMyRaps wrote:As of today, who would you take with the 28th overall pick if you were Masai & why?


Need to wait for the Combine to understand their measurement.
Not surprised there are sleepers as well.
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Post#911 » by Indeed » Mon May 4, 2020 11:21 am

LoveMyRaps wrote:
Psubs wrote:
BoyzNTheHood wrote:
As of today, if I'm basing availability by the Tankathon mock draft my top-5 for us at #28 would be...

1) Xavier Tillman
2) Tyrell Terry
3) Daniel Oturu
4) Precious Achiuwa
5) Desmond Bane

http://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft


Jordan Nwora is interesting according to that availability. In December, he had Louisville ranked #1 in the country, eventually evening out to #14.



Jordan Nwora put together an impressive 2019-20 season, becoming the only ACC player to rank in the top ten in points (18.0), rebounding (7.7), free throw percentage (.813), field goal percentage (.440) and three-pointers made per game (2.5).




https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/27490009/nigeria-jordan-nwora-no-coach-pet-even-coach-dad

He helped Nigeria beat team Canada.

https://www.busybuddiesng.com/2019-fiba-world-cup-real-reason-i-picked-my-son-jordan-dtigers-coach-alex-nwora/

“But if he’s one of those elite kids that we need to help us win just because he’s my son then somebody is definitely naive enough or not smart enough to know talent when they see one,” Nwora said of the player who averaged 17.2 PPG, 7.5 rebounds and 1.2 assists for his college team last season where he was voted the second most improved player in the NCAA and the most improved in the ACC.


Masai might not select him just because he's Nigerian. He seems like a really good prospect playing in one of the best conferences.


I'm a huge fan of Nwora, but goddamn Tankathon has Perry dropping to #44 and Oturu down to #37. :o I'd love to draft any one of those two with #28, would be a huge steal IMO. But I just don't see it happening.


I watched a few games on Nwora, he looks a bit lazy. Not running back, did not have the stance, etc.
I like his physical measurement and ability to shoot the ball, but he does not look to be quick, that makes me feel he is a bad defender (only play defense when he has to).
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Post#912 » by Psubs » Mon May 4, 2020 1:33 pm

Indeed wrote:I watched a few games on Nwora, he looks a bit lazy. Not running back, did not have the stance, etc.
I like his physical measurement and ability to shoot the ball, but he does not look to be quick, that makes me feel he is a bad defender (only play defense when he has to).


He put up 18 ppg and no other player was in double digits, so playing 33 out of 40 mpg suggests he was pacing himself on defense.

Louisville had 7 players between 5-10 ppg. Drafted on a deep Raptor team fighting for more minutes would have him able to spend energy initially playing 14-16 mpg.

He has so many chase down blocks without fouling! :o

His floor, I think he's Mo Pete. I think his ceiling is Paul Pierce.

#28 Nwora
#58 Enoch
Undrafted Sutton

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Post#913 » by Tofubeque » Mon May 4, 2020 2:32 pm

I bet Masai would be interested in Nwora if he's still there at 28. He likely won't be though. I've seen him mock drafted in the mid 20s, around Aaron Nesmith range. A 40% 3pt shooter with a stepback, size, and shot blocking will attract a lot of teams. The main knocks on him are his age and lack of a great 1st step. If he were younger or more explosive he'd look like a lottery pick for sure.

One thing I like about him is how strong he looks now, and broad shouldered. His rebounding grades out well. He could be like OG with less defense and more scoring
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Post#914 » by Indeed » Mon May 4, 2020 2:39 pm

Psubs wrote:
Indeed wrote:I watched a few games on Nwora, he looks a bit lazy. Not running back, did not have the stance, etc.
I like his physical measurement and ability to shoot the ball, but he does not look to be quick, that makes me feel he is a bad defender (only play defense when he has to).


He put up 18 ppg and no other player was in double digits, so playing 33 out of 40 mpg suggests he was pacing himself on defense.

Louisville had 7 players between 5-10 ppg. Drafted on a deep Raptor team fighting for more minutes would have him able to spend energy initially playing 14-16 mpg.

He has so many chase down blocks without fouling! :o

His floor, I think he's Mo Pete. I think his ceiling is Paul Pierce.

#28 Nwora
#58 Enoch
Undrafted Sutton

Cardinal trio! :D


Which is why I would wait for the combine, but not getting on the defensive stance means he is not used to it rather than saving energy, because his assignment does not hold the ball long nor often (he is not guarding opponent best offensive player, and very well the least offensive player).
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Post#915 » by Psubs » Mon May 4, 2020 3:21 pm

Indeed wrote:
Psubs wrote:
Indeed wrote:I watched a few games on Nwora, he looks a bit lazy. Not running back, did not have the stance, etc.
I like his physical measurement and ability to shoot the ball, but he does not look to be quick, that makes me feel he is a bad defender (only play defense when he has to).


He put up 18 ppg and no other player was in double digits, so playing 33 out of 40 mpg suggests he was pacing himself on defense.

Louisville had 7 players between 5-10 ppg. Drafted on a deep Raptor team fighting for more minutes would have him able to spend energy initially playing 14-16 mpg.

He has so many chase down blocks without fouling! :o

His floor, I think he's Mo Pete. I think his ceiling is Paul Pierce.

#28 Nwora
#58 Enoch
Undrafted Sutton

Cardinal trio! :D


Which is why I would wait for the combine, but not getting on the defensive stance means he is not used to it rather than saving energy, because his assignment does not hold the ball long nor often (he is not guarding opponent best offensive player, and very well the least offensive player).


He'll work on defense in practice. Doesn't seem like not a hard worker.



Looks like he's come a long way since highschool as a 4-star prospect. Don't think he'll test that well at a combine but he seems more like a Paul Pierce than a Vince Carter.

He's from Buffalo and went to Vermont so he's used to the cold.
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Post#916 » by Kevin Willis » Mon May 4, 2020 4:26 pm

Psubs wrote:
Indeed wrote:I watched a few games on Nwora, he looks a bit lazy. Not running back, did not have the stance, etc.
I like his physical measurement and ability to shoot the ball, but he does not look to be quick, that makes me feel he is a bad defender (only play defense when he has to).


He put up 18 ppg and no other player was in double digits, so playing 33 out of 40 mpg suggests he was pacing himself on defense.

Louisville had 7 players between 5-10 ppg. Drafted on a deep Raptor team fighting for more minutes would have him able to spend energy initially playing 14-16 mpg.

He has so many chase down blocks without fouling! :o

His floor, I think he's Mo Pete. I think his ceiling is Paul Pierce.

#28 Nwora
#58 Enoch
Undrafted Sutton

Cardinal trio! :D


Don't do that, his ceiling is probably Mo Pete. Pierce is a goat and he's the Truth. HOFer better than DWade. In his dreams he's that good.
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Post#917 » by Psubs » Mon May 4, 2020 5:58 pm

Kevin Willis wrote:
Psubs wrote:
Indeed wrote:I watched a few games on Nwora, he looks a bit lazy. Not running back, did not have the stance, etc.
I like his physical measurement and ability to shoot the ball, but he does not look to be quick, that makes me feel he is a bad defender (only play defense when he has to).


He put up 18 ppg and no other player was in double digits, so playing 33 out of 40 mpg suggests he was pacing himself on defense.

Louisville had 7 players between 5-10 ppg. Drafted on a deep Raptor team fighting for more minutes would have him able to spend energy initially playing 14-16 mpg.

He has so many chase down blocks without fouling! :o

His floor, I think he's Mo Pete. I think his ceiling is Paul Pierce.

#28 Nwora
#58 Enoch
Undrafted Sutton

Cardinal trio! :D


Don't do that, his ceiling is probably Mo Pete. Pierce is a goat and he's the Truth. HOFer better than DWade. In his dreams he's that good.


If people knew that when he was at Kansas, he would've been drafted in the top 5 for sure.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1998.html

Hmmmmm, this draft had a lot of decent players late in the 1st and into the 2nd round.

#25 Al Harrington
#29 Nazr Mohammed
#31 Ruben Patterson
#32 Rashard Lewis
#39 Rafer Alston
#41 Cutino Mobley
#53 Greg Buckner

BTW, Mo Pete was solid. Nwora seems bigger and stronger than Mo, thus a better rebounder and finisher. If he's a rich man's Mo Pete that shoots 40% from 3 and has a 10 year career, I'm cool with that.
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Post#918 » by super_balls » Mon May 4, 2020 6:35 pm

Psubs wrote:
Indeed wrote:
Psubs wrote:
He put up 18 ppg and no other player was in double digits, so playing 33 out of 40 mpg suggests he was pacing himself on defense.

Louisville had 7 players between 5-10 ppg. Drafted on a deep Raptor team fighting for more minutes would have him able to spend energy initially playing 14-16 mpg.

He has so many chase down blocks without fouling! :o

His floor, I think he's Mo Pete. I think his ceiling is Paul Pierce.

#28 Nwora
#58 Enoch
Undrafted Sutton

Cardinal trio! :D


Which is why I would wait for the combine, but not getting on the defensive stance means he is not used to it rather than saving energy, because his assignment does not hold the ball long nor often (he is not guarding opponent best offensive player, and very well the least offensive player).


He'll work on defense in practice. Doesn't seem like not a hard worker.



Looks like he's come a long way since highschool as a 4-star prospect. Don't think he'll test that well at a combine but he seems more like a Paul Pierce than a Vince Carter.

He's from Buffalo and went to Vermont so he's used to the cold.


He actually reminds me a lot of Nick Young... Uber athletic with shooting but hella lazy.
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Post#919 » by BoyzNTheHood » Mon May 4, 2020 7:34 pm

I don't understand all of the Nwora love in here. He won't be more than a catch-and-shoot 3 point specialist in the NBA. He disappears against the best teams and stat pads against bad teams.
deeps6x wrote:I guarantee you that (Jaylen) Brown and (Kris) Dunn are drafted OUT of the top 5.
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Post#920 » by BoyzNTheHood » Mon May 4, 2020 7:42 pm

HeadtopChunes wrote:I also like Isiah Joe

Elite shooter + good defender

Maybe be Matt Thomas type who can actually guard



Low stock for some reason but he looks draftable to me


He was my first love in this draft, but he didn't do anything to help me make a case for him. I wouldn't be mad if we picked him because I believe his game is better suited for the NBA, but I think he needs a lot of work in the G-League before becoming a valuable rotation piece.

His teammate Mason Jones is a straight bucket though and at this point I'd take him over Isaiah.
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