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Re: Stein/KOC - Heat most interested in Kyle, 76ers/clippers also interested 

Post#901 » by mdenny » Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:04 am

RaptorPride wrote:
DelAbbot wrote:Powell is 3&D wing without the D
RaptorPride wrote:Been in the playoffs every year, has proven he can contribute in the playoffs, made it all the way to the finals and won a ring, finally showing he can be a consistent offensive player, also a decent defender who fits perfectly in a 3&D league which teams would overpay for, no injuries this yea like years before, 27 just entering his prime

A decent defender nothing special. Teams would still want him.



Plus his defence might be better on a team that isn't switch/help-heavy
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Post#902 » by tdotrep2 » Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:05 am

RaptorPride wrote:Do not include Powell in the heat trade
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itll be a 3 way where we split assets with miami
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Post#903 » by cbosh4mvp » Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:05 am

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RaptorPride wrote:Do not include Powell in the heat trade
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itll be a 3 way where we split assets with miami


I think if this is the case, we should keep Norman...
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Post#904 » by tdotrep2 » Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:08 am

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RaptorPride wrote:Do not include Powell in the heat trade
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itll be a 3 way where we split assets with miami


I think if this is the case, we should keep Norman...

and what pay him 20m a year? maybe more? even risk losing him to indiana its not a guarantee he stays. If we get herro, precious, and 2 firsts and another decent prospect thats a good haul
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Post#905 » by RaptorPride » Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:10 am

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Maybe the Knicks do offer us Robinson+ for Powell
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Post#906 » by cbosh4mvp » Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:11 am

tdotrep2 wrote:
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tdotrep2 wrote:itll be a 3 way where we split assets with miami


I think if this is the case, we should keep Norman...

and what pay him 20m a year? maybe more? even risk losing him to indiana its not a guarantee he stays. If we get herro, precious, and 2 firsts and another decent prospect thats a good haul


If we dont pay him 20M, someone else will.

That means that there will be always be a market for him.
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Post#907 » by tdotrep2 » Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:17 am

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I think if this is the case, we should keep Norman...

and what pay him 20m a year? maybe more? even risk losing him to indiana its not a guarantee he stays. If we get herro, precious, and 2 firsts and another decent prospect thats a good haul


If we dont pay him 20M, someone else will.

That means that there will be always be a market for him.

will there? is siakams market the same now as it was 2 years ago? norms playing his best ball at the right time. we should capitalize. imagine a scenario where we drop 20+ on him and he starts playing inconsistent. horrifying and no one gonna wanna trade for him
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Post#908 » by WeTheNorth123 » Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:20 am

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Are you insane... Who's talking about this season?I'm talking about going forward, you think 2 late 1st rounders are going to right the ship of our offense. If we don't get tangible players if/when we trade Lowry & Powell we're screwed going forward, and a couple late first crapshoots doesn't change that.


Yes, I know 2 late lotto's are not going to right the ship of our offense! But again....who gives a ****

Ok! so who do you want?

You want to give up Lowry (rental for a few months) for Kevin Durant
You want to give up Powell (rental for a few months) for Anthony Davis

I'm exaggerating but you know what I mean. Teams aren't just handing out the strong offensive players your looking for.

You know who else was a late lotto (Lowry + Powell (2nd round))

Moving forward, beyond this season
- you leverage the assets you get.
- use the offseason for trades and free agency signings (20+ mil in cap space potentially)
- give young players opportunities to grow offensively
- use draft picks (potentially 3 first rounders + perhaps top 10 pick) and hope for the best (remember Powell was a second rounder that was not supposed to be 20ppg offensive weapon)


So dramatic... Oh we're expecting late 1st rounders to turn into Lowry calibre players? For every late 1st rounder who has an impactful career, there are probably 20 who don't, and don't even get me started on 2nd rounder odds. Ya I want to get some young current nba'ers coming back, not just a scratch ticket or two as the centrepiece(s), as secondary pieces sure... Anyway It'll be interesting to see which direction Bobby & Masai go with the offers.


no not every player pans out...not every player late in teh draft is a lowry or powell....all i'm saying is there's a chance to get that offensive firepower if we trade for picks (not guaranteed/it could be Bruno) and that's better than not trading them for nothing

go on, give me your real life example of the high caliber players your looking to get by giving teams a 2 month rental (not including playoffs)
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Post#909 » by Raptors Realtor » Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:37 am

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Yes, I know 2 late lotto's are not going to right the ship of our offense! But again....who gives a ****

Ok! so who do you want?

You want to give up Lowry (rental for a few months) for Kevin Durant
You want to give up Powell (rental for a few months) for Anthony Davis

I'm exaggerating but you know what I mean. Teams aren't just handing out the strong offensive players your looking for.

You know who else was a late lotto (Lowry + Powell (2nd round))

Moving forward, beyond this season
- you leverage the assets you get.
- use the offseason for trades and free agency signings (20+ mil in cap space potentially)
- give young players opportunities to grow offensively
- use draft picks (potentially 3 first rounders + perhaps top 10 pick) and hope for the best (remember Powell was a second rounder that was not supposed to be 20ppg offensive weapon)


So dramatic... Oh we're expecting late 1st rounders to turn into Lowry calibre players? For every late 1st rounder who has an impactful career, there are probably 20 who don't, and don't even get me started on 2nd rounder odds. Ya I want to get some young current nba'ers coming back, not just a scratch ticket or two as the centrepiece(s), as secondary pieces sure... Anyway It'll be interesting to see which direction Bobby & Masai go with the offers.


no not every player pans out...not every player late in teh draft is a lowry or powell....all i'm saying is there's a chance to get that offensive firepower if we trade for picks (not guaranteed/it could be Bruno) and that's better than not trading them for nothing

go on, give me your real life example of the high caliber players your looking to get by giving teams a 2 month rental (not including playoffs)


Well I never said anything about high calibre players, I said I'd rather trade for young tangible assets as opposed to late 1st round picks. Tangible is the key word there because I prefer to know to a certain degree what we're getting in said assets. An example would be any player who's currently playing in the nba even if it's only this season, it gives you an idea of their strengths, weaknesses, upside, etc at this level. Whereas with a draft pick, especially later in the draft, it's a crapshoot because you have no idea how they'll perform in the nba.
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Post#910 » by WuTang_CMB » Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:42 am

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Post#911 » by WeTheNorth123 » Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:46 am

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So dramatic... Oh we're expecting late 1st rounders to turn into Lowry calibre players? For every late 1st rounder who has an impactful career, there are probably 20 who don't, and don't even get me started on 2nd rounder odds. Ya I want to get some young current nba'ers coming back, not just a scratch ticket or two as the centrepiece(s), as secondary pieces sure... Anyway It'll be interesting to see which direction Bobby & Masai go with the offers.


no not every player pans out...not every player late in teh draft is a lowry or powell....all i'm saying is there's a chance to get that offensive firepower if we trade for picks (not guaranteed/it could be Bruno) and that's better than not trading them for nothing

go on, give me your real life example of the high caliber players your looking to get by giving teams a 2 month rental (not including playoffs)


Well I never said anything about high calibre players, I said I'd rather trade for young tangible assets as opposed to late 1st round picks. Tangible is the key word there because I prefer to know to a certain degree what we're getting in said assets. An example would be any player who's currently playing in the nba even if it's only this season, it gives you an idea of their strengths, weaknesses, upside, etc at this level. Whereas with a draft pick, especially later in the draft, it's a crapshoot because you have no idea how they'll perform in the nba.


Ya so give me some examples of players your talking about (actual names)

the player your going to ask for in exchange for a few month rental of the player your giving up

remember to ask yourself if you would give that player up if you were the opposite team
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Post#912 » by WeTheNorth123 » Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:48 am

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imagine we sneak into a spot that makes us face Miami in the playoffs and Lowry goes off to eliminate Miami
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Post#913 » by HangTime » Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:50 am

If we get Robinson, Nunn from Miami, do you think we'd be able to flip them to a 3rd and 4th team?
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Post#914 » by WuTang_CMB » Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:53 am

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imagine we sneak into a spot that makes us face Miami in the playoffs and Lowry goes off to eliminate Miami

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Post#915 » by Los Manos » Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:53 am

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Post#916 » by Raptors Realtor » Thu Mar 25, 2021 1:10 am

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no not every player pans out...not every player late in teh draft is a lowry or powell....all i'm saying is there's a chance to get that offensive firepower if we trade for picks (not guaranteed/it could be Bruno) and that's better than not trading them for nothing

go on, give me your real life example of the high caliber players your looking to get by giving teams a 2 month rental (not including playoffs)


Well I never said anything about high calibre players, I said I'd rather trade for young tangible assets as opposed to late 1st round picks. Tangible is the key word there because I prefer to know to a certain degree what we're getting in said assets. An example would be any player who's currently playing in the nba even if it's only this season, it gives you an idea of their strengths, weaknesses, upside, etc at this level. Whereas with a draft pick, especially later in the draft, it's a crapshoot because you have no idea how they'll perform in the nba.


Ya so give me some examples of players your talking about (actual names)

the player your going to ask for in exchange for a few month rental of the player your giving up

remember to ask yourself if you would give that player up if you were the opposite team


Dude there's nothing earth shattering here, essentially some of the names which have been rumoured... Herro, Achiuwa, THT, Kuzma, etc
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Post#917 » by garbagnani » Thu Mar 25, 2021 1:17 am

Lowry + norm for wiseman, minny pick and Wiggins.
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Post#918 » by WeTheNorth123 » Thu Mar 25, 2021 1:24 am

Raptors Realtor wrote:
WeTheNorth123 wrote:
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Well I never said anything about high calibre players, I said I'd rather trade for young tangible assets as opposed to late 1st round picks. Tangible is the key word there because I prefer to know to a certain degree what we're getting in said assets. An example would be any player who's currently playing in the nba even if it's only this season, it gives you an idea of their strengths, weaknesses, upside, etc at this level. Whereas with a draft pick, especially later in the draft, it's a crapshoot because you have no idea how they'll perform in the nba.


Ya so give me some examples of players your talking about (actual names)

the player your going to ask for in exchange for a few month rental of the player your giving up

remember to ask yourself if you would give that player up if you were the opposite team


Dude there's nothing earth shattering here, essentially some of the names which have been rumoured... Herro, Achiuwa, THT, Kuzma, etc


Not earth shattering by any means

But there is a possibility (bigger probability) we don't get any of those players (Achiuwa aside) - Massai is most likely not Turning down Herro (Pat is most likely not giving up Herro)

All I say is that I dont care that much if i dont got get any of those offensive players (sure it would be nice to get Herro) but at the end of the day ... Ill take whatever I can and I still come out a winner because Lowry or Powell are extremely unlikely to sign in a few months

The fact that you dont get an offensive player back is not a big deal...
....Kuzma for example is paid pretty high - maybe I want the cap space more for FA/other trades
...Herro for example is 40% FG & 30% 3pg%
... Achiuwa has no offence
... THT is a good one in my opinion
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Post#919 » by North_of_Border » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:49 am

garbagnani wrote:Lowry + norm for wiseman, minny pick and Wiggins.


i saw this idea a few times. Buts it for Lowry alone..... not with Norm too
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Post#920 » by Rapsfan07 » Thu Mar 25, 2021 5:12 am

Denver should make a move for Dipo.

Harris, Hampton and a 1st for Dipo. That should put the squeeze on Riley.
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