[Stein] Dallas Has Tried To Trade For Goran Dragic But Toronto Has Resisted

[mdenny]

I wonder if there's any precedent for buyout "deals".

In other words....say we tell the mavs "we will buy out dragic if you trade us a moses brown for one of our unwanted project players. Or some sort of equivalent to that.

This way....we get our futures without having to take on contracts and dallas gets their dragon. It also allows goran to sign a more reasonable deal qith the mavs...taking up less of their cap space.

Anyone know if something like this violates the CBA?

Another option would be to trade Boucher for a mich bigger haul then he's actually worth. Maybe something like brown, green, brunson. Something like that woild be HUGE.

[bboyskinnylegs]

I wonder if there's any precedent for buyout "deals".

In other words....say we tell the mavs "we will buy out dragic if you trade us a moses brown for one of our unwanted project players. Or some sort of equivalent to that.

This way....we get our futures without having to take on contracts and dallas gets their dragon. It also allows goran to sign a more reasonable deal qith the mavs...taking up less of their cap space.

Anyone know if something like this violates the CBA?

I think that would fall into attempting to circumvent the cap.

[mdenny]

I wonder if there's any precedent for buyout "deals".

In other words....say we tell the mavs "we will buy out dragic if you trade us a moses brown for one of our unwanted project players. Or some sort of equivalent to that.

This way....we get our futures without having to take on contracts and dallas gets their dragon. It also allows goran to sign a more reasonable deal qith the mavs...taking up less of their cap space.



Anyone know if something like this violates the CBA?

I think that would fall into attempting to circumvent the cap.

I'm curious as to why. Noy saying ur wrong....i'm just curious.

Obviously....the buyout and dragic signing would have be first in the sequence. How can the league quantify boucher's worth? (If it's boucher we trade for a bigger haul then he's worth)

[dalton749]

If he gets a buyout and we pay him more than 1 whole dollar of that 19 mil I will be mad. Miami picked up the option to trade it, we better not help 2 different teams plus a guy who doesn’t want to be here for nothing.

[tecumseh18]

I wonder if there's any precedent for buyout "deals".

In other words....say we tell the mavs "we will buy out dragic if you trade us a moses brown for one of our unwanted project players. Or some sort of equivalent to that.

This way....we get our futures without having to take on contracts and dallas gets their dragon. It also allows goran to sign a more reasonable deal qith the mavs...taking up less of their cap space.

Anyone know if something like this violates the CBA?

I think that would fall into attempting to circumvent the cap.

OK, how about this? Assume Raps and Heat already agreed on the structure of the deal at the trade deadline, but couldn't make it work with Lowry's salary at 30 mill. After the season, Heat say to Dragic's agent, "we'll exercise the 19 mill team option, use the salary to trade for Lowry, and you agree to a buy-out with the Raptors for 10 mill". Dragic's agent agrees (if he doesn't, his 36 year old client is going to be a FA and not gonna get anything close to the full non-taxpayer MLE in the open market).

Would the league frown on that?

[mdenny]

Boucher for brunson, green, brown as a condition for the buyout. Makes sense for both sides and is a much better return than rumored dragic trades because we dont take on salary. 2 more propsects with 3 years left on their rookie contracts.

Dallas doesnt need brunson mow they got dragic. He makes salaries work. Mavs get another win now piece in boucher who we probably cant sign next year anyway. We add green/brown to previous/flynn/barnes. All of a sudden....we got 5 former FRP contracts under control until 2024. That's alot of assets under cheap control.

[aligator]

How there going to be playing time for all thes guys? Raps will be happy with the increased flexibility that a buyout allows.

[alienchild]

Fisher has been right more often than not this summer. Let's not kid ourselves.

Still, he's being pretty clear that his source isn't connected to the Raptors, but that this is a league wide prediction

You're kidding yourself. Fischer has been full of ish more often than he's been right. He spreads a lot of manure in the hope that something get's fertilized. He's among the least reliable rumour sources in NBA media.

[PhilBlackson]

How there going to be playing time for all thes guys? Raps will be happy with the increased flexibility that a buyout allows.

What are you talking about?!

We don't have a backup SG. I'd understand if Harris was playing this year but Johnson was completely underwhelming and our team still loves it's PGs. Dragic is a GREAT option off the bench and ofc helps depth should there be any injuries ie/ Fred was in and out of the lineup throughout the last season.

There's no way simply losing him for nothing is the better option and if we were to do so it makes no sense to do so now vs after the trade deadline and exhausting all our options. Because almost without fail some team wants to "add a little extra" to make a push and Goran is exactly that "little extra" teams think can help put them over the top or at least further in the Playoffs.

So again no reason at all to buy him so nevermind what these so called rumors are saying Bobby already said publicly they're comfortable forward with him. Teams need to offer some value or the show goes on...

[ATLTimekeeper]

Boucher for brunson, green, brown as a condition for the buyout. Makes sense for both sides and is a much better return than rumored dragic trades because we dont take on salary. 2 more propsects with 3 years left on their rookie contracts.

Dallas doesnt need brunson mow they got dragic. He makes salaries work. Mavs get another win now piece in boucher who we probably cant sign next year anyway. We add green/brown to previous/flynn/barnes. All of a sudden....we got 5 former FRP contracts under control until 2024. That's alot of assets under cheap control.

Why are we trading a useful player for the right to buy out Dragic? Back to the drawing board.

This doesn't work for me because Brunson is redundant with Flynn and Fred. Green would be hard-pressed to find minutes with Siakam/Barnes/OG and then more experienced players like Watanabe/Wainwright (international). Same Dekker is a former FRP, too, it doesn't mean he's valuable.

[mdenny]

Boucher for brunson, green, brown as a condition for the buyout. Makes sense for both sides and is a much better return than rumored dragic trades because we dont take on salary. 2 more propsects with 3 years left on their rookie contracts.

Dallas doesnt need brunson mow they got dragic. He makes salaries work. Mavs get another win now piece in boucher who we probably cant sign next year anyway. We add green/brown to previous/flynn/barnes. All of a sudden....we got 5 former FRP contracts under control until 2024. That's alot of assets under cheap control.

Why are we trading a useful player for the right to buy out Dragic? Back to the drawing board.

This doesn't work for me because Brunson is redundant with Flynn and Fred. Green would be hard-pressed to find minutes with Siakam/Barnes/OG and then more experienced players like Watanabe/Wainwright (international). Same Dekker is a former FRP, too, it doesn't mean he's valuable.

It's about control. Two years from now we would have the developed versions of precious/flynn/brown/green.....all playing for approx 2 to 3 milly per year each. Forget brunson. He just facilitates the trade.

It's about a having a handful of players earning far less than market value. Thats what enables you to do big things with the rest pf the roster. Boucher will be earning fair market value from here on in.

Toronto will always need players earning far less than market value to win. For our chip it was fred and siakam.

[Pointgod]

How to trick people into thinking you’re legit:

1. Report often on teams with large fan bases
2. Search the Internet for widely circulated rumours
3. Repeat these rumours in a tweet claiming sources are telling you this.
4. Cover your butt by claiming it’s not set in stone /things can change

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[Federalies]

Nice little write up Re: Dragic issue!

In short, obviously the Mavs and likely those in the Dragon’s camp would prefer a buyout but that there’s very little incentive for the Raps to do so! Dragic is still useful in a bench/mentorship role and that it’s more likely he gets dealt either to the Mavs or someone else between now and the deadline!

Takeaways: Nothing to see here!

https://raptorsrapture.com/2021/09/03/toronto-raptors-mavericks-goran-dragic-bought-out/

[aligator]

How there going to be playing time for all thes guys? Raps will be happy with the increased flexibility that a buyout allows.

What are you talking about?!

We don't have a backup SG. I'd understand if Harris was playing this year but Johnson was completely underwhelming and our team still loves it's PGs. Dragic is a GREAT option off the bench and ofc helps depth should there be any injuries ie/ Fred was in and out of the lineup throughout the last season.

There's no way simply losing him for nothing is the better option and if we were to do so it makes no sense to do so now vs after the trade deadline and exhausting all our options. Because almost without fail some team wants to "add a little extra" to make a push and Goran is exactly that "little extra" teams think can help put them over the top or at least further in the Playoffs.

So again no reason at all to buy him so nevermind what these so called rumors are saying Bobby already said publicly they're comfortable forward with him. Teams need to offer some value or the show goes on...

Bobby was simply posturing as GM's do. You are totally wrong in saying a buyout makes no sense, again as long as significant give back. It is incorrect saying that a buyout is losing him for nothing as it opens up other possibilties. We don't have a backup SG?....lol. We just signed one a few days back. The team does not plan to play with traditional lineup in any case.

[ATLTimekeeper]

It's about control. Two years from now we would have the developed versions of precious/flynn/brown/green.....all playing for approx 2 to 3 milly per year each. Forget brunson. He just facilitates the trade.

It's about a having a handful of players earning far less than market value. Thats what enables you to do big things with the rest pf the roster. Boucher will be earning fair market value from here on in.

Toronto will always need players earning far less than market value to win. For our chip it was fred and siakam.

I understand the value of control, but the cost of that control is competitiveness. Also, if Boucher is worth fair market value, then why are we trading him for two guys that haven't proven they're NBA players as a "throw-in" with Dragic's buyout? Only one of which replaces pretty much anything that Boucher adds to the team, and the team actually needs. They don't need Josh Green at all.

[aligator]

The Boucher trade suggestion is silly. It's not happening.

[mademan]

How there going to be playing time for all thes guys? Raps will be happy with the increased flexibility that a buyout allows.

What are you talking about?!

We don't have a backup SG. I'd understand if Harris was playing this year but Johnson was completely underwhelming and our team still loves it's PGs. Dragic is a GREAT option off the bench and ofc helps depth should there be any injuries ie/ Fred was in and out of the lineup throughout the last season.

There's no way simply losing him for nothing is the better option and if we were to do so it makes no sense to do so now vs after the trade deadline and exhausting all our options. Because almost without fail some team wants to "add a little extra" to make a push and Goran is exactly that "little extra" teams think can help put them over the top or at least further in the Playoffs.

So again no reason at all to buy him so nevermind what these so called rumors are saying Bobby already said publicly they're comfortable forward with him. Teams need to offer some value or the show goes on...

Bobby was simply posturing as GM's do. You are totally wrong in saying a buyout makes no sense, again as long as significant give back. It is incorrect saying that a buyout is losing him for nothing as it opens up other possibilties. We don't have a backup SG?....lol. We just signed one a few days back. The team does not plan to play with traditional lineup in any case.

You know a buy out doesnt give us cap space, right? It opens up no possibilites, lol. All it does is save some people a bit of money

[planetmars]

What are you talking about?!

We don't have a backup SG. I'd understand if Harris was playing this year but Johnson was completely underwhelming and our team still loves it's PGs. Dragic is a GREAT option off the bench and ofc helps depth should there be any injuries ie/ Fred was in and out of the lineup throughout the last season.

There's no way simply losing him for nothing is the better option and if we were to do so it makes no sense to do so now vs after the trade deadline and exhausting all our options. Because almost without fail some team wants to "add a little extra" to make a push and Goran is exactly that "little extra" teams think can help put them over the top or at least further in the Playoffs.

So again no reason at all to buy him so nevermind what these so called rumors are saying Bobby already said publicly they're comfortable forward with him. Teams need to offer some value or the show goes on...

Bobby was simply posturing as GM's do. You are totally wrong in saying a buyout makes no sense, again as long as significant give back. It is incorrect saying that a buyout is losing him for nothing as it opens up other possibilties. We don't have a backup SG?....lol. We just signed one a few days back. The team does not plan to play with traditional lineup in any case.

You know a buy out doesnt give us cap space, right? It opens up no possibilites, lol. All it does is save some people a bit of money

A buyout does give back cap space. If Dragic gave the Raptors $5M.. then our cap shrinks by $5M. We'd still be operating above the cap, but we'd be able to use the rest of our MLE or our BAE if we wanted as we'd be $5M below the tax at that point.

[OAKLEY_2]

I wonder if there's any precedent for buyout "deals".

In other words....say we tell the mavs "we will buy out dragic if you trade us a moses brown for one of our unwanted project players. Or some sort of equivalent to that.

This way....we get our futures without having to take on contracts and dallas gets their dragon. It also allows goran to sign a more reasonable deal qith the mavs...taking up less of their cap space.

Anyone know if something like this violates the CBA?

Another option would be to trade Boucher for a mich bigger haul then he's actually worth. Maybe something like brown, green, brunson. Something like that woild be HUGE.

Sounds reasonable but should we pay someone over multiple years post buyout so they can sign cheap with a contender? We paid handsomely to get Gasol and Dragic, while no Gasol, is worth more than paying over many years to have a low end trade "opportunity".

[Zeno]

Bobby was simply posturing as GM's do. You are totally wrong in saying a buyout makes no sense, again as long as significant give back. It is incorrect saying that a buyout is losing him for nothing as it opens up other possibilties. We don't have a backup SG?....lol. We just signed one a few days back. The team does not plan to play with traditional lineup in any case.

You know a buy out doesnt give us cap space, right? It opens up no possibilites, lol. All it does is save some people a bit of money

A buyout does give back cap space. If Dragic gave the Raptors $5M.. then our cap shrinks by $5M. We'd still be operating above the cap, but we'd be able to use the rest of our MLE or our BAE if we wanted as we'd be $5M below the tax at that point.

I think we’d just use the TPE from Kyle trade . I believe it is just under 5 million.