Official Scottie Barnes Thread

[Madhouse]

I don't see a huge difference at all. Do any numbers back up your claim?

I don't know what the numbers are, but what I'm seeing from Barnes is a lot of instinct, length & athleticism. His footwork & sliding aren't at the same level yet, he's not able to apply on-ball pressure as well as OG.

I'm not disagreeing but this more speaks to his ceiling as a defensive player not his lack of ability right now. His weakness seems to be the on ball defense on guards right now and at times he misses the off ball assignment on running big men in the post but I see a very capable NBA defender already.

[Young_Buc]

His stretch in the 3rd really was special. Short bursts like that are going to stretch out longer until its full quarters, halves and entire games.

His defense does need a lot of work though. He's getting by on energy and his physical tools but he needs a lot of refinement and reps on that end. I think he'll be a lot better by season's end.

There is a huge difference between him and OG defensively. OG is a defensive savant, he plays the angles and passing lanes absolutely perfectly. Scottie plays like the biggest most athletic high school kid. It's getting him by, but once he learns the game (and he will) he'll be a monster on that end too

I don't see a huge difference at all. Do any numbers back up your claim?

OG DFG% 41
Scottie 48

When you keep in mind OG is usually guarding the opposing teams best player, its even more impressive. Dude is the TRUTH on that end.

[Bruin]

There is a huge difference between him and OG defensively. OG is a defensive savant, he plays the angles and passing lanes absolutely perfectly. Scottie plays like the biggest most athletic high school kid. It's getting him by, but once he learns the game (and he will) he'll be a monster on that end too

I don't see a huge difference at all. Do any numbers back up your claim?

OG DFG% 41
Scottie 48

Scottie also defends bigs in the paint much more than OG does so it does make sense for the DFG% to be a bit higher tbf

[Madhouse]

There is a huge difference between him and OG defensively. OG is a defensive savant, he plays the angles and passing lanes absolutely perfectly. Scottie plays like the biggest most athletic high school kid. It's getting him by, but once he learns the game (and he will) he'll be a monster on that end too

I don't see a huge difference at all. Do any numbers back up your claim?

OG DFG% 41
Scottie 48

When you keep in mind OG is usually guarding the opposing teams best player, its even more impressive. Dude is the TRUTH on that end.

his defensive rating and his DPM isn't that good. Raptors are also better when he is off the court so far this year. I think he is a good defender but I'm not really agreeing with this Kawhiesque all world defender perception.

[brownbobcat]

I don't see a huge difference at all. Do any numbers back up your claim?

I don't know what the numbers are, but what I'm seeing from Barnes is a lot of instinct, length & athleticism. His footwork & sliding aren't at the same level yet, he's not able to apply on-ball pressure as well as OG.

I'm not disagreeing but this more speaks to his ceiling as a defensive player not his lack of ability right now. His weakness seems to be the on ball defense on guards right now and at times he misses the off ball assignment on running big men in the post but I see a very capable NBA defender already.

Oh, no doubt he's already very capable. I don't know if he'll ever have the lateral quickness of OG in a full crouch, but definitely impactful. OG's the guy at point of attack, Barnes is the help.

[HumbleRen]

Scottie at the peak of his defensive ability will be a Draymond like defender.

Dude’s lateral quickness is way too slow to guard superstar guards. OG, GTJ and FVV should handle those type of players.

[lolwut]

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The real question is did either of those players achieve those numbers while using Aveeno skin lotion?

[mdenny]

New scottie content came out this afternoon:

Watch on YouTube

[goattted]

New scottie content came out this afternoon:

Watch on YouTube

38:31

[Potential]

When we drafted Scottie Barnes, a lot of Toronto Raptor fans had a lot of negative things to say about the pick. We've seen it time and time again Masai Ujiri is a genius especially when it comes to scouting and drafting players. After a lot of work, I have finally found my reaction from draft night.

Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:34 pm

Scottie Barnes is the next Scottie Pippen you heard it here first

[Raps in 4]

When we drafted Scottie Barnes, a lot of Toronto Raptor fans had a lot of negative things to say about the pick. We've seen it time and time again Masai Ujiri is a genius especially when it comes to scouting and drafting players. After a lot of work, I have finally found my reaction from draft night.

Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:34 pm

Scottie Barnes is the next Scottie Pippen you heard it here first

**** Pippen. Scottie is going to be better offensively.

I definitely thought he had high bust potential and was extremely down on the pick. Shows how little we know. Dude looked like he was shooting a basketball for the first time in college. Now he's arguably our best shot creator and finisher.

I won't be doing any amateur scouting again as long as Masai and Co. are running the team. It leads one down a dark path.

[Clay Davis]

Scottie at the peak of his defensive ability will be a Draymond like defender.

Dude’s lateral quickness is way too slow to guard superstar guards. OG, GTJ and FVV should handle those type of players.

Even in his prime, Kawhi wasn't great at keeping guards in front of him. What made him special was that he never gave up on the play. I think Barnes has a similar motor, even if he's not quite as nimble with his hands as the Klaw.

[Rebel INS]

Scottie at the peak of his defensive ability will be a Draymond like defender.

Dude’s lateral quickness is way too slow to guard superstar guards. OG, GTJ and FVV should handle those type of players.

Even in his prime, Kawhi wasn't great at keeping guards in front of him. What made him special was that he never gave up on the play. I think Barnes has a similar motor, even if he's not quite as nimble with his hands as the Klaw.

Kawhi is a lockdown perimeter defender even with a degenerative knee for a reason, and it isn't elite footspeed

Positioning + IQ + Instinct > lateral quicks when you have a 7'2'' wingspan and baseball gloves for hands

[DreamTeam09]

When we drafted Scottie Barnes, a lot of Toronto Raptor fans had a lot of negative things to say about the pick. We've seen it time and time again Masai Ujiri is a genius especially when it comes to scouting and drafting players. After a lot of work, I have finally found my reaction from draft night.

Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:34 pm

Scottie Barnes is the next Scottie Pippen you heard it here first

**** Pippen. Scottie is going to be better offensively.

I definitely thought he had high bust potential and was extremely down on the pick. Shows how little we know. Dude looked like he was shooting a basketball for the first time in college. Now he's arguably our best shot creator and finisher.

I won't be doing any amateur scouting again as long as Masai and Co. are running the team. It leads one down a dark path.

He absolutely will not be a better player than Scottie pippen and even that in itself is quite okay

[mdenny]

New scottie content came out this afternoon:

Watch on YouTube

38:31

Earlier than that he also talks about how dumb it was to take Jalen green before him. He's REALLY low on Green.

I was shocked to hear him say both evan and scottie are understanding and playing winning basketball before lebron or KD or Kobe figured it out. Said they're the first rookies to display an understanding of winning basketball since bird and magic. Said KD was a net negative player until his 4th year and evan/scottie are both net positives right out the gate which basically never happens anymore.

Man....that is some kind of endorsement.

[Darkseid]

We need to let Scottie be LeBron James

[Madhouse]

When we drafted Scottie Barnes, a lot of Toronto Raptor fans had a lot of negative things to say about the pick. We've seen it time and time again Masai Ujiri is a genius especially when it comes to scouting and drafting players. After a lot of work, I have finally found my reaction from draft night.

Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:34 pm

Scottie Barnes is the next Scottie Pippen you heard it here first

**** Pippen. Scottie is going to be better offensively.

I definitely thought he had high bust potential and was extremely down on the pick. Shows how little we know. Dude looked like he was shooting a basketball for the first time in college. Now he's arguably our best shot creator and finisher.

I won't be doing any amateur scouting again as long as Masai and Co. are running the team. It leads one down a dark path.

He absolutely will not be a better player than Scottie pippen and even that in itself is quite okay

Do you have a crystal ball?

[brownbobcat]

I was shocked to hear him say both evan and scottie are understanding and playing winning basketball before lebron or KD or Kobe figured it out. Said they're the first rookies to display an understanding of winning basketball since bird and magic. Said KD was a net negative player until his 4th year and evan/scottie are both net positives right out the gate which basically never happens anymore.

Man....that is some kind of endorsement.

I love the Barnes echo chamber as much as anybody, but that simply isn't a true statement about KD. He was already the leader of a 50 win team (in the West, too) by his third season. Are we supposed to believe it was mostly due to Jeff Green and rookie Westbrook?

[Madhouse]

I was shocked to hear him say both evan and scottie are understanding and playing winning basketball before lebron or KD or Kobe figured it out. Said they're the first rookies to display an understanding of winning basketball since bird and magic. Said KD was a net negative player until his 4th year and evan/scottie are both net positives right out the gate which basically never happens anymore.

Man....that is some kind of endorsement.

I love the Barnes echo chamber as much as anybody, but that simply isn't a true statement about KD. He was already the leader of a 50 win team (in the West, too) by his third season. Are we supposed to believe it was mostly due to Jeff Green and rookie Westbrook?

yeah it was the 3rd season when it clicked for KD. He was a net negative for the first 2 years.

Lebron was a net positive, his team was just trash.

Duncan was a massive net positive right out of the gate.

Vince was a net positive as well.

[aminiaturebuddha]

I was shocked to hear him say both evan and scottie are understanding and playing winning basketball before lebron or KD or Kobe figured it out. Said they're the first rookies to display an understanding of winning basketball since bird and magic. Said KD was a net negative player until his 4th year and evan/scottie are both net positives right out the gate which basically never happens anymore.

Man....that is some kind of endorsement.

I love the Barnes echo chamber as much as anybody, but that simply isn't a true statement about KD. He was already the leader of a 50 win team (in the West, too) by his third season. Are we supposed to believe it was mostly due to Jeff Green and rookie Westbrook?

yeah it was the 3rd season when it clicked for KD. He was a net negative for the first 2 years.

Lebron was a net positive, his team was just trash.

Duncan was a massive net positive right out of the gate.

Vince was a net positive as well.

Duncan was probably the kind of player to be a net positive no matter what, but it should be noted that of all those players, he was the one that entered the league after playing 4 full years in college.

That Scottie can be a net positive after just one season of college is fantastic, and that Lebron did it coming directly from high school is just insane.