Official 2022 Draft Thread

[HumbleRen]

would you trade Barnes for Giddey?

Yes, I know Barnes upside is higher but I'm a sucker for extremely skilled big PG's

[Psubs]

Nikola Jovic might be comparable in the 1st round.

Have you had a chance to watch Jovic play a game or just highlights, etc? I only saw Jovic play half a game, I find it tough to watch the Euro leagues. I am not a believer but obviously half a game is a small sample size. What do you think?

Just highlights (some with all his shots that bricked early in the season) including international play. He seems like a a stretched out Gordon Hayward.

[aminiaturebuddha]

Why did Chet come off the bench last game?

It was probably Senior Day. Usually the last regular season home game for college teams the coaches will start guys who have been with the program for 4 years, play them a few minutes, and then put their regulars back in. Gives the 4-year guys a chance to get a start on their resume if they've never had one.

[Ell Curry]

would you trade Barnes for Giddey?

Yes, I know Barnes upside is higher but I'm a sucker for extremely skilled big PG's

I like Giddey a lot, but I'd be scared to make this trade. Barnes is and will be a better defender, jumpers look similar. Big gap on offensive efficiency, but Giddey should shrink that in time.

[Los_29]

Giddey is a phenomenal offensive player but his defense is so bad that it severely limits his upside.

And I also think it's a bit easier to put up numbers on a team that doesn't really care about winning and playing the right way.

[HumbleRen]

would you trade Barnes for Giddey?

Yes, I know Barnes upside is higher but I'm a sucker for extremely skilled big PG's

I like Giddey a lot, but I'd be scared to make this trade. Barnes is and will be a better defender, jumpers look similar. Big gap on offensive efficiency, but Giddey should shrink that in time.

He's a year younger than Barnes, his efficiency has been better then Barnes for more than a month now despite being the first option. I think you bank on his upside on being a Luka type offensive hub and worry about his defence later.

If he can become an average defender then you're more than fine.

[Los_29]

Yes, I know Barnes upside is higher but I'm a sucker for extremely skilled big PG's

I like Giddey a lot, but I'd be scared to make this trade. Barnes is and will be a better defender, jumpers look similar. Big gap on offensive efficiency, but Giddey should shrink that in time.

He's a year younger than Barnes, his efficiency has been better then Barnes for more than a month now despite being the first option. I think you bank on his upside on being a Luka type offensive hub and worry about his defence later.

If he can become an average defender then you're more than fine.

The problem is there isn’t much to suggest he can be an average defender. He’s got a ways to go to even become average on that end.

Scottie has more upside offensively than Giddey because Giddey is a very poor athlete who relies heavily on his incredible feel for the game. Scottie has the potential to do so much more offensively than Giddey and obviously the difference on the defensive end is massive.

I honestly don’t think there is a GM in this league that chooses Giddey over Scottie.

It’s not about what they can do now. It’s about what they can become. And even now Scottie is the better player.

[HumbleRen]

I like Giddey a lot, but I'd be scared to make this trade. Barnes is and will be a better defender, jumpers look similar. Big gap on offensive efficiency, but Giddey should shrink that in time.

He's a year younger than Barnes, his efficiency has been better then Barnes for more than a month now despite being the first option. I think you bank on his upside on being a Luka type offensive hub and worry about his defence later.

If he can become an average defender then you're more than fine.

The problem is there isn’t much to suggest he can be an average defender. He’s got a ways to go to even become average on that end.

Scottie has more upside offensively than Giddey because Giddey is a very poor athlete who relies heavily on his incredible feel for the game. Scottie has the potential to do so much more offensively than Giddey and obviously the difference on the defensive end is massive.

I honestly don’t think there is a GM in this league that chooses Giddey over Scottie.

It’s not about what they can do now. It’s about what they can become. And even now Scottie is the better player.

I think writing off a 19 year old is a bit too much for my liking. By the metrics, even Barnes himself is slightly below average defender.

Rookies are just simply not good defenders.

I think right now, they're both comparable, Giddey has been the better player since 2022. Barnes being the 5/6th option on any given night probably helps Giddey though.

I also acknowledge Barnes has the higher upside for obvious reasons, I'm just a sucker for tall PG's with elite passing ability.

I think Barnes will be the better player long term, I'm solely saying Giddey because his skillset is what I love in a player from a selfish standpoint.

[Los_29]

He's a year younger than Barnes, his efficiency has been better then Barnes for more than a month now despite being the first option. I think you bank on his upside on being a Luka type offensive hub and worry about his defence later.

If he can become an average defender then you're more than fine.

The problem is there isn’t much to suggest he can be an average defender. He’s got a ways to go to even become average on that end.

Scottie has more upside offensively than Giddey because Giddey is a very poor athlete who relies heavily on his incredible feel for the game. Scottie has the potential to do so much more offensively than Giddey and obviously the difference on the defensive end is massive.

I honestly don’t think there is a GM in this league that chooses Giddey over Scottie.

It’s not about what they can do now. It’s about what they can become. And even now Scottie is the better player.

I think writing off a 19 year old is a bit too much for my liking. By the metrics, even Barnes himself is slightly below average defender.

Rookies are just simply not good defenders.

I think right now, they're both comparable, Giddey has been the better player since 2022. Barnes being the 5/6th option on any given night probably helps Giddey though.

I also acknowledge Barnes has the higher upside for obvious reasons, I'm just a sucker for tall PG's with elite passing ability.

I think Barnes will be the better player long term, I'm solely saying Giddey because his skillset is what I love in a player from a selfish standpoint.

Then why would you take Giddey over Scottie when Scottie has the higher upside and is already the better player?

And who is writing off Giddey? It’s not about what kind of player they are now, it’s what kind of player they can become.

Giddey is a great talent but there are limitations as to what kind of player he can become. Players with his athletic profile typically have lower ceilings than players with the athleticism and physical measurements that Scottie has. Giddey is a poor athlete with a 6’8 wingspan. Scottie is a great athlete with a 7’3 wingspan with the frame to add more weight. Honestly, I doubt there is a single GM in this league that takes Josh Giddey over Scottie.

Scottie is the better player now and will likely be the better player in the future.

[HumbleRen]

The problem is there isn’t much to suggest he can be an average defender. He’s got a ways to go to even become average on that end.

Scottie has more upside offensively than Giddey because Giddey is a very poor athlete who relies heavily on his incredible feel for the game. Scottie has the potential to do so much more offensively than Giddey and obviously the difference on the defensive end is massive.

I honestly don’t think there is a GM in this league that chooses Giddey over Scottie.

It’s not about what they can do now. It’s about what they can become. And even now Scottie is the better player.

I think writing off a 19 year old is a bit too much for my liking. By the metrics, even Barnes himself is slightly below average defender.

Rookies are just simply not good defenders.

I think right now, they're both comparable, Giddey has been the better player since 2022. Barnes being the 5/6th option on any given night probably helps Giddey though.

I also acknowledge Barnes has the higher upside for obvious reasons, I'm just a sucker for tall PG's with elite passing ability.

I think Barnes will be the better player long term, I'm solely saying Giddey because his skillset is what I love in a player from a selfish standpoint.

Then why would you take Giddey over Scottie when Scottie has the higher upside and is already the better player?

And who is writing off Giddey? It’s not about what kind of player they are now, it’s what kind of player they can become.

Giddey is a great talent but there are limitations as to what kind of player he can become. Players with his athletic profile typically have lower ceilings than players with the athleticism and physical measurements that Scottie has. Giddey is a poor athlete with a 6’8 wingspan. Scottie is a great athlete with a 7’3 wingspan with the frame to add more weight. Honestly, I doubt there is a single GM in this league that takes Josh Giddey over Scottie.

Scottie is the better player now and will likely be the better player in the future.

Because I prefer to watch players like Giddey. I don't think Masai made a mistake at all, Scottie was the right choice.

I just don't think Barnes has separated himself for anyone in this draft class, especially when other rookies are getting better as the season goes on while Scottie has been heading in the opposite direction.

[Los_29]

I think writing off a 19 year old is a bit too much for my liking. By the metrics, even Barnes himself is slightly below average defender.

Rookies are just simply not good defenders.

I think right now, they're both comparable, Giddey has been the better player since 2022. Barnes being the 5/6th option on any given night probably helps Giddey though.

I also acknowledge Barnes has the higher upside for obvious reasons, I'm just a sucker for tall PG's with elite passing ability.

I think Barnes will be the better player long term, I'm solely saying Giddey because his skillset is what I love in a player from a selfish standpoint.

Then why would you take Giddey over Scottie when Scottie has the higher upside and is already the better player?

And who is writing off Giddey? It’s not about what kind of player they are now, it’s what kind of player they can become.

Giddey is a great talent but there are limitations as to what kind of player he can become. Players with his athletic profile typically have lower ceilings than players with the athleticism and physical measurements that Scottie has. Giddey is a poor athlete with a 6’8 wingspan. Scottie is a great athlete with a 7’3 wingspan with the frame to add more weight. Honestly, I doubt there is a single GM in this league that takes Josh Giddey over Scottie.

Scottie is the better player now and will likely be the better player in the future.

Because I prefer to watch players like Giddey. I don't think Masai made a mistake at all, Scottie was the right choice.

I just don't think Barnes has separated himself for anyone in this draft class, especially when other rookies are getting better as the season goes on while Scottie has been heading in the opposite direction.

Wanting to trade Scottie for Giddey implies you think he’s better and will be better in the future. I prefer watching certain players in this league but I wouldn’t want them over players that are better.

Who has said Scottie has separated himself from anyone in the draft class? No one has. There are like 5-6 rookies having outstanding seasons. Scottie is one of them. But only him and Mobley are contributing to winning basketball. The other rookies are on teams where they have a lot more freedom and these teams are playing some pretty brutal basketball.

[Ell Curry]

Last years top 10 was stacked
Cade is nice
Green has struggled but has shown signs
Mobley superstar
barnes star
Suggs has come on of late
Giddey superstar
kuminga has shown nice signs on a great team
Wagner is a stud
Micthell has been really good

Agree that it was stacked. I would rate slightly different but it will be different.

Superstar
Cade, Mobley

Star (Future All-Star)
Barnes, Giddey, Kuminga

Stud (Top 3 Starter)
Wagner, Mitchell

Nice (Starter)
Suggs

Not as strong as the Bosh/Lebron/Wade draft but still very strong.

Mitchell is a fun defender but he'll be 24 when next season starts. I'd take Suggs over him and I don't think he'd crack the lottery in a redraft now that we've seen how good Herb Jones is, Duarte (even older but looks a solid starting 2) and Sengun looking good and some promising stuff from outside the lottery guys Dosunmu, Cam Thomas, Ziaire Williams (20 and not embarassing himself on a good team, big wings always good to have) and I'd have to see more, but Isaiah and Jalen Jackson look exciting when I see them.

I'd be shocked if Mitchell can be offensively good enough to be a top 3 starter. Jrue is a similar player and was a 14-8-4 shooting 39% from 3 at the same age. I think a slightly worse Marcus Smart is more his type, which is a starter but not a top 3 guy on a contender unless you have 2 superstars.

[Snowwy]

Why did Chet come off the bench last game?

It was probably Senior Day. Usually the last regular season home game for college teams the coaches will start guys who have been with the program for 4 years, play them a few minutes, and then put their regulars back in. Gives the 4-year guys a chance to get a start on their resume if they've never had one.

Yeah exactly. Senior day where two legendary Zags got their first starts. Matthew Lang and Will Graves, both walk-ons. Very popular guys with the team and the fanbase.

[Bruin]

This kid has started to explode onto the scene in his past few games (partly cause of injuries)

Has great defensive potential, athletic, nice size. He actually reminds of Norm a bit

Since getting inserted into the starting lineup (past 3 games) he’s averaged
20ppg (60 FG%, 37.5 3P%), 8.3rpg, 2 apg, 2.6 spg

Obviously a very small sample size but a very interesting prospect to keep an eye on as UCLA heads into the Pac12 tournament and then the NCAA tournament

Watch on YouTube

[Coco Costanza]

I think writing off a 19 year old is a bit too much for my liking. By the metrics, even Barnes himself is slightly below average defender.

Rookies are just simply not good defenders.

I think right now, they're both comparable, Giddey has been the better player since 2022. Barnes being the 5/6th option on any given night probably helps Giddey though.

I also acknowledge Barnes has the higher upside for obvious reasons, I'm just a sucker for tall PG's with elite passing ability.

I think Barnes will be the better player long term, I'm solely saying Giddey because his skillset is what I love in a player from a selfish standpoint.

Then why would you take Giddey over Scottie when Scottie has the higher upside and is already the better player?

And who is writing off Giddey? It’s not about what kind of player they are now, it’s what kind of player they can become.

Giddey is a great talent but there are limitations as to what kind of player he can become. Players with his athletic profile typically have lower ceilings than players with the athleticism and physical measurements that Scottie has. Giddey is a poor athlete with a 6’8 wingspan. Scottie is a great athlete with a 7’3 wingspan with the frame to add more weight. Honestly, I doubt there is a single GM in this league that takes Josh Giddey over Scottie.

Scottie is the better player now and will likely be the better player in the future.

Because I prefer to watch players like Giddey. I don't think Masai made a mistake at all, Scottie was the right choice.

I just don't think Barnes has separated himself for anyone in this draft class, especially when other rookies are getting better as the season goes on while Scottie has been heading in the opposite direction.

But in Barnes' defence, he's playing on a team where he's the fourth or fifth option. Other rookies can shine when they're playing on teams without a clear star.

[Psubs]

This kid has started to explode onto the scene in his past few games (partly cause of injuries)

Has great defensive potential, athletic, nice size. He actually reminds of Norm a bit

Since getting inserted into the starting lineup (past 3 games) he’s averaged
20ppg (60 FG%, 37.5 3P%), 8.3rpg, 2 apg, 2.6 spg

Obviously a very small sample size but a very interesting prospect to keep an eye on as UCLA heads into the Pac12 tournament and then the NCAA tournament

Watch on YouTube

He needs to stay 1 more year or else he'll go undrafted like Justin Champagnie. He's gotta work on the 3 and FT's. With a good finish to the year he might approach being a prospect like Joel Ayayi.

Speaking of UCLA, Johnny Juzang and his clutchness last season should not be forgotten.

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He's now got back to back good seasons, bringing up his 3% from 35% to 37%. He might be a Trevor Ariza level prospect. He's a least a Jordan Nwora/Elijah Hughes level prospect.

Watch on YouTube

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@2:53 what an ugly brick by Clark!!!

Champagnie is 6'8 and gets more deflections, so still might favour him over Juzang.

[Snowwy]

Speaking of UCLA, Johnny Juzang and his clutchness last season should not be forgotten.

Not a big fan of Juzang. Was he really clutch last season? In the Pac12 conference tournament, 12 points in the first round loss in a game that was must win. (they got a bit lucky getting in to the event at all). I remember watching that game and being so confused as to why Kentucky had recruited the guy. He shot under 50% in half of his tournament games last season. He loves the pull up. I just don't see him as a real NBA player. Comparing him to Ariza to me doesn't make much sense. All that said, I would love to take him as a summer league / exhibit 10 deal and see what happens.

[Indeed]

Last years top 10 was stacked
Cade is nice
Green has struggled but has shown signs
Mobley superstar
barnes star
Suggs has come on of late
Giddey superstar
kuminga has shown nice signs on a great team
Wagner is a stud
Micthell has been really good

I don't think it is that far off this year (or perhaps last year was slightly over rated).
Cade - Banchero
Mobley - Smith
Barnes - Chet (I have Chet with higher potential)
Suggs - Sharpe
Green - Ivey
Kuminga - Griffin
Mitchell - Murray
Giddey - Washington
Duarte - Davis
Wagner - Jovic
Sengun - Duren
Bouknight - Mathurin
Jalen Johnson - Brown
Moody - Eason
Primo - Daniels
Ziaire Williams - Sochan
Murphy - Baldwin

[Psubs]

Last years top 10 was stacked
Cade is nice
Green has struggled but has shown signs
Mobley superstar
barnes star
Suggs has come on of late
Giddey superstar
kuminga has shown nice signs on a great team
Wagner is a stud
Micthell has been really good

I don't think it is that far off this year (or perhaps last year was slightly over rated).
Cade - Banchero
Mobley - Smith
Barnes - Chet (I have Chet with higher potential)
Suggs - Sharpe
Green - Ivey
Kuminga - Griffin
Mitchell - Murray
Giddey - Washington
Duarte - Davis
Wagner - Jovic
Sengun - Duren
Bouknight - Mathurin
Jalen Johnson - Brown
Moody - Eason
Primo - Daniels
Ziaire Williams - Sochan
Murphy - Baldwin

You also didn't include Kessler, Hardy and Mark Williams who should be drafted in the teens.

[Los_29]

Last years top 10 was stacked
Cade is nice
Green has struggled but has shown signs
Mobley superstar
barnes star
Suggs has come on of late
Giddey superstar
kuminga has shown nice signs on a great team
Wagner is a stud
Micthell has been really good

I don't think it is that far off this year (or perhaps last year was slightly over rated).
Cade - Banchero
Mobley - Smith
Barnes - Chet (I have Chet with higher potential)
Suggs - Sharpe
Green - Ivey
Kuminga - Griffin
Mitchell - Murray
Giddey - Washington
Duarte - Davis
Wagner - Jovic
Sengun - Duren
Bouknight - Mathurin
Jalen Johnson - Brown
Moody - Eason
Primo - Daniels
Ziaire Williams - Sochan
Murphy - Baldwin

This draft isn't comparable at all. It lacks depth and high end talent. I don't get any of those comparisons either. Banchero has no business being compared to Cade.