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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3 

Post#901 » by UnbelievablyRAW » Sat Feb 22, 2025 1:15 am

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I'm taking VJ at #2 and not thinking twice about it.


Ngl I’d be sick if we took VJ over Dylan

This is the type of comment that can get quoted in like a year from now but Dylan pre ankle injury clears VJ easy


True VJ's event creation vs conf opponents isn't as nutty as vs other opp which could mean against better athletes it will just be very good but not elite bc of the wingspan limitation. But I wasn't aware that ankle injuries cause guys to miss free throws. Harper was pretty bad against Oregon was his ankle injured against them too?

That said Harper is tough to crack but I'm very confident he's not cut from the same cloth as Harden, SGA, etc.. and is more of the De'Aaron Fox type should he hit such a theoretical ceiling. He has the same issue Topic had last year in that he has no midrange counters - making him a 2 level scorer. How this plays out in the NBA given his lack of bounce is a question mark. I can't see him being a major free throw merchant but probably sitting in the low 300s. His athleticism could easily make him fall way short of a Fox level outcome... how much his wingspan compensates I'm not sure. Such an outcome could be something more like a rich man's Jaden Ivey. I'm trying so hard to use past examples and samples for reference.

I'm curious how he finishes off this last stretch of games. Same with VJ.



I think his finishing is elite and he’s shown to be a decent passer (although he has terrible teammates). Watching his early season tape his first step was lethal and he split PnRs like D Wade.

I think at his size he’s a mismatch against most guards one on one which is what we need. We lack guys that can force doubles by getting into the paint
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3 

Post#902 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Sat Feb 22, 2025 1:23 am

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Name me a young college wing with poor stock production, rim finishing, dunk rate and dribble J volume that panned out in the NBA let alone worthy of a t5 or even t14 selection.

Liam McNeeley (2025)


The lazy comps that most will go to are the spot-up shooter types like Doug McDermott and Same Merrill. I think it reduces what Liam can be because I think he is a better athlete than both.

I think for low stl and blk% and being a scorer, RJ Barrett comes to mind. He dunked more, but Liam rebounds a lot better and is drawing more freethrows.

Low dunks and good scoring but better defensive numbers - I see Austin Reeves. Liam is only in his first year so he could likely exceed Austin Reaves if given more time in college. I actually think Liam and Austin are a pretty good comp at the end of the day.




You think McNeeley is going to operate like a shifty lead handler in a few years like that? He doesn't and won't have Reaves' guard skills or on-ball capabilities.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3 

Post#903 » by PhilBlackson » Sat Feb 22, 2025 1:36 am

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I think they won’t get good value from Zion so they might as well keep him and maybe start building more around Trey. Same issue the Hawks had with Trae

Even still, with Herb back next year, Murray back, Zion in better shape (lol) and a lottery pick, they will be too good to outright tank for a top pick again.

Their position this year is largely due to injuries so they might let the ball roll again and see how they look next year with Trey taking Ingrams role, a top pick and Murray back.

If anything I’d even include Dick in that offer I proposed above to make it more enticing. IQ on a 4 year deal, Dick on a rookie deal and a top 6 pick for expiring CJ and 2


Idk man I really, really don't see them sticking with Zion much longer, all the excitement etc that the franchise had for him is just gone and the rumors around him have been endless. We might have to agree to disagree on this one but I really, really don't believe he will remain a Pelican past next year's deadline and I think IF he can remain relatively healthy without a MAJOR injury that they'll eventually find a team that will give them at least a couple of picks or so.

But all that aside, all I can say is wow you really love Harper eh?! lol I do like him too and I think he can be a jumbo Brunson long term which would be a GREAT player to have but I do think there is some slight downside risk with him. As he obviously doesn't have any elite physical attributes other than his strength as a guard and I know some people like to make the Harden comparison but Harden's handle and shooting were on a different level. Nonetheless I think he has the bball IQ/feel for the game that I don't expect him to be a bust.

Although I will say that I'm with you on trying to flip IQ for a bigger PG long term AND using Gradey in a trade package for an upgrade at another position while he still has a very high perceived value.


I think he has an elite first step and was unguardable one on one for a lot of the first few months of the season. I don’t think his shot is broken at all and I think he can be a 36-38% 3pt shooter. The interior finishing is elite stuff as well.

I think moving off IQ for CJ allows us to clean up the books a bit because if we just let CJ expire in the hypothetical then we turned IQ’s 33M contract into Harper’s 9.5M and save like 23M. Allows us to resign RJ if they want as well.


I'm not opposed to it because again I like Harper but that's definitely a high price that I'm just doubtful our FO would risk unless they were completely head over heals about him and/or again I really believe that the Pels are going to trade Zion within the next year and looking to create another new core. Versus taking on IQ's contract and then also needing to pay Gradey in a couple of seasons that it almost defeats the purpose of getting off of CJ's contract for them financially as one of the rumored cheapest ownership groups and it doesn't really raise their ceiling much in a very tough Western Conference.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3 

Post#904 » by Dalek » Sat Feb 22, 2025 3:37 am

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BoyzNTheHood wrote:Liam McNeeley (2025)


The lazy comps that most will go to are the spot-up shooter types like Doug McDermott and Same Merrill. I think it reduces what Liam can be because I think he is a better athlete than both.

I think for low stl and blk% and being a scorer, RJ Barrett comes to mind. He dunked more, but Liam rebounds a lot better and is drawing more freethrows.

Low dunks and good scoring but better defensive numbers - I see Austin Reeves. Liam is only in his first year so he could likely exceed Austin Reaves if given more time in college. I actually think Liam and Austin are a pretty good comp at the end of the day.




You think McNeeley is going to operate like a shifty lead handler in a few years like that? He doesn't and won't have Reaves' guard skills or on-ball capabilities.


McNeeley is effectively having the offense run through him since he has come back from injury. Look at his scoring diversity. Loads of drives, high FTR, finishes using both left and right. Reaves took years to get that good, whereas Liam is only in year one. Of course he can get to Reave's level. He is a bigger version of Austin. Overall number might not look perfect but he has a high skill level and size.

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3 

Post#905 » by RoteSchroder » Sat Feb 22, 2025 3:44 am

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The lazy comps that most will go to are the spot-up shooter types like Doug McDermott and Same Merrill. I think it reduces what Liam can be because I think he is a better athlete than both.

I think for low stl and blk% and being a scorer, RJ Barrett comes to mind. He dunked more, but Liam rebounds a lot better and is drawing more freethrows.

Low dunks and good scoring but better defensive numbers - I see Austin Reeves. Liam is only in his first year so he could likely exceed Austin Reaves if given more time in college. I actually think Liam and Austin are a pretty good comp at the end of the day.




You think McNeeley is going to operate like a shifty lead handler in a few years like that? He doesn't and won't have Reaves' guard skills or on-ball capabilities.


McNeeley is effectively having the offense run through him since he has come back from injury. Look at his scoring diversity. Loads of drives, high FTR, finishes using both left and right. Reaves took years to get that good, whereas Liam is only in year one. Of course he can get to Reave's level. He is a bigger version of Austin. Overall number might not look perfect but he has a high skill level and size.

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I think he'll be a Podz/Jaquez type of high floor/low ceiling player.
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Post#906 » by Indeed » Sat Feb 22, 2025 3:52 am

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I can see Masai ties being a factor, but that is a really high pick for a player that will need some time before being productive in the NBA. Bigs always take long to get acclimated and I am not sure if this guy can play in .5 offense. We have a simplistic big in Orlando Robinson now and it looks rough.

I can see us also taking a player like McNeeley because look at our last first round picks: Gradey Dick (RSCI rank 16 in 2022) and Ja'Kobe Walter (RSCI rank 8 in 2023). Both were known highly ranked high school recruits.

Bobby tends to value that and has made comments about knowing/tracking players for many years. McNeeley is a Montverde Academy guy who played with Cooper Flagg and was RSCI ranked 10 in 2024.

He was a special high school player and a very impactful college player, leading his team as a freshman and would fit easily into our offensive schemes as a guy who works off ball screens and can do some secondary creation and brings some size at forward. A case can be made he fits well in Toronto.


He also projects as a terrible defender on a team that needs defense. I understand the whole pick the best player philosophy, but there's no way McNeeley is going to be the undisputed best player when the Raptors pick and if it's close then fit needs to be a factor.
From a fit perspective +defenders are ideal.


I am curious about that. We were a defense first team for a long time but I wonder if that's changed. It's not like guys like RJ, IQ, Olynyk, Walter, Dick are +defenders. Mogbo is our classic pick, but I am not sure if the team is better with him on court. I think McNeeley can be a neutral defender with + offense. Similar to a lot of players in that 5-12 range.


We were thought Quickley is a PoA defender, just that he didn't meet the expectation. Walter wasn't a bad defender.
Meanwhile, we might draft someone our head coach would play them, and our current head coach focuses on basketball IQ and passing on the offensive end, so we traded for those players and to make it work (part of it is believing Barnes wants that type of structure, instead of iso heavy standstill 3&Ds).

Now the question on McNeeley, definitely not a Ujiri type. Ujiri took good measurement players (along with good stats). Agbaji has the highest max vertical among his draft class. Walter got very good wingspan for a SG. Mogbo and Chomcho are with great measurement.

However, we saw previously we drafted Poeltl then Siakam, it seems we cannot let go off draft rankings from other media. Would we draft Wagner over Suggs back in the days if we think Wagner also has a high ceiling? It seems unlikely, we might only draft Barnes over Suggs.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3 

Post#907 » by Spates » Sat Feb 22, 2025 4:03 am

I think Danny Wolf is exactly the player we need. A more natural floor general/shot creator.
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Post#908 » by Indeed » Sat Feb 22, 2025 4:15 am

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I couldn't disagree more in terms of the first part of your statement.

I agree that I definitely don't see a star in McNeeley but I do think we still need a wing defender to replace what we lost with OG (Ochai just isn't big enough or really at the level defensively), Scottie is a solid defender but he's not locking anyone up and/or I don't want him expending most of his energy chasing around the best player on the other team but the team absolutely could use more actual wings which nowadays are the forward positions (I don't think Mogbo will ever had the shooting to be a long term fit).

I'd still LOVE to add someone like Fleming. He's my #1 target if we can find a way to trade back into the mid 1st with either of Ochai or Gradey. He reminds me so much of Eason but actually has a better handle/can use his left hand lol. You see the effect guys like Eason and Amen have had for HOU (I'd argue their defence has been THE key to the Rockets ascension). I'd want to mimic some of that by adding players like Fleming, Byrd as defensive wings that can terrorize opposing wings/guards. That's not something I'm asking either of BI or Scottie to do long term but like Green (scorer)/Sengun (scoring facilitator) (similar dynamic to BI/Scottie), those defensive wings would help everything else come together. Especially if we could also get a big that has the threat of jumper to space the floor.


With around 1.5 stls and 1.5 blcks Rasheer is mobile enough to guard 3-5 in the NBA. We have guards that can guard 1-2. Jakobe locked down PG (though he is in a slump). Ochai isn't always big enough. I guess Mogbo is the bench wing defender. Rasheer could eventually start at PF and have Scottie at SF on offense. Rasheer would be used to expend more energy on defense than Scottie on the forward matchups. :nod:


Exactly!

Also I don't think Mogbo will ever be quite the level of shooter necessary to be effective at spacing the floor for Scottie. I don't think Rasheer will remain above 40% as a NBA player lol but his mechanics look WAY better than JMo's and he hits them with a higher degree of difficulty. The key is his 3pt shot is at least one you can't just sag off of him like a Ben Simmons as they do with Mogbo. But he's also physically bigger which will help even more with the all the beasts in the East.

Can't say enough how much I'd like to get him with another pick, he reminds me a ton of Eason and again we can see how Amen/Eason's defence has completely changed HOU's trajectory as a franchise which is why I'd love to get players like Byrd & Fleming here to play similar roles even if obv Byrd isn't the physical speciman Thompson is. Byrd also averages 2.8spg* (GREAT on ball pressure) & 1.5bpg and we seen how much our FO was rumored to like Dyson Daniels. I'm not saying Byrd will be THAT level (not completely ruling it out either because he's a smuthering defender himself) but he also presents the upside to space the floor with a 83% FT shooting rate that again I think he can become another player that's at a legit threat to make 3s to open up the floor. If we hit on those 2, I think it could do wonders for the team moving forward.


The problem with Mogbo isn't just 3 point shooting. His at rim finishing isn't that good as well, and his floater / push shot is way off.

And please stop thinking Barnes can create open shot for Fleming. If you are to play Fleming who has no in between game, it would be Barrett and or Ingram, where they can kickout or get shots for Flaming, while Flaming can focus on defense. And Thiero would be someone we are more interested in, who was playing a guard before the springing up to 6'6 (without shoes, I assume).
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3 

Post#909 » by PhilBlackson » Sat Feb 22, 2025 4:41 am

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With around 1.5 stls and 1.5 blcks Rasheer is mobile enough to guard 3-5 in the NBA. We have guards that can guard 1-2. Jakobe locked down PG (though he is in a slump). Ochai isn't always big enough. I guess Mogbo is the bench wing defender. Rasheer could eventually start at PF and have Scottie at SF on offense. Rasheer would be used to expend more energy on defense than Scottie on the forward matchups. :nod:


Exactly!

Also I don't think Mogbo will ever be quite the level of shooter necessary to be effective at spacing the floor for Scottie. I don't think Rasheer will remain above 40% as a NBA player lol but his mechanics look WAY better than JMo's and he hits them with a higher degree of difficulty. The key is his 3pt shot is at least one you can't just sag off of him like a Ben Simmons as they do with Mogbo. But he's also physically bigger which will help even more with the all the beasts in the East.

Can't say enough how much I'd like to get him with another pick, he reminds me a ton of Eason and again we can see how Amen/Eason's defence has completely changed HOU's trajectory as a franchise which is why I'd love to get players like Byrd & Fleming here to play similar roles even if obv Byrd isn't the physical speciman Thompson is. Byrd also averages 2.8spg* (GREAT on ball pressure) & 1.5bpg and we seen how much our FO was rumored to like Dyson Daniels. I'm not saying Byrd will be THAT level (not completely ruling it out either because he's a smuthering defender himself) but he also presents the upside to space the floor with a 83% FT shooting rate that again I think he can become another player that's at a legit threat to make 3s to open up the floor. If we hit on those 2, I think it could do wonders for the team moving forward.


The problem with Mogbo isn't just 3 point shooting. His at rim finishing isn't that good as well, and his floater / push shot is way off.

And please stop thinking Barnes can create open shot for Fleming. If you are to play Fleming who has no in between game, it would be Barrett and or Ingram, where they can kickout or get shots for Flaming, while Flaming can focus on defense. And Thiero would be someone we are more interested in, who was playing a guard before the springing up to 6'6 (without shoes, I assume).


I'm not sure you can just assert that the FO shares your opinion that they're more interested in Adou, I'm certainly not claiming they are Rasheer. Really we don't know who they value more...

But moving past that, I like Thiero too but you haven't really provided any reason why you believe he's a better fit, nor do I agree that Scottie can't find Fleming a shot. He did so for OG when he was here and has done so for Gradey, JaKobe and Ochai and it's not like he's not averaging 6+apg & his assist numbers have been increased annually. So I'm really not understanding the pessimism other than people are frustrated with Scottie's recent play. But I absolutely do think Fleming would fit as pretty much a stereotypical 3+D player that is kicked out to when players like BI, Scottie, RJ are all on the ball more.

Which also kinda contradicts Adou's game who's a sub .300 3pt shooter (26.8% yikes) that will further congest the floor and also is more of a slasher ON BALL. Also at 6'6 that means he's just another SG which is an absolute logjam, just makes the position over congested with him RJ, JaKobe, Ochai and Gradey. He won't have the versatility Rasheer has to guard 3-5 which is what we actually need more to compete with all the big elite teams in the East, Thiero is simply not big enough no matter how you slice it to handle the Tatum, Paolo, Franz, Mobley, Giannis' of the East etc. Fleming on the otherhand at 6'9 with a 7'5 wingspan would and could likely even guard up a position considering his enormous wingspan is.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3 

Post#910 » by Indeed » Sat Feb 22, 2025 5:34 am

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Exactly!

Also I don't think Mogbo will ever be quite the level of shooter necessary to be effective at spacing the floor for Scottie. I don't think Rasheer will remain above 40% as a NBA player lol but his mechanics look WAY better than JMo's and he hits them with a higher degree of difficulty. The key is his 3pt shot is at least one you can't just sag off of him like a Ben Simmons as they do with Mogbo. But he's also physically bigger which will help even more with the all the beasts in the East.

Can't say enough how much I'd like to get him with another pick, he reminds me a ton of Eason and again we can see how Amen/Eason's defence has completely changed HOU's trajectory as a franchise which is why I'd love to get players like Byrd & Fleming here to play similar roles even if obv Byrd isn't the physical speciman Thompson is. Byrd also averages 2.8spg* (GREAT on ball pressure) & 1.5bpg and we seen how much our FO was rumored to like Dyson Daniels. I'm not saying Byrd will be THAT level (not completely ruling it out either because he's a smuthering defender himself) but he also presents the upside to space the floor with a 83% FT shooting rate that again I think he can become another player that's at a legit threat to make 3s to open up the floor. If we hit on those 2, I think it could do wonders for the team moving forward.


The problem with Mogbo isn't just 3 point shooting. His at rim finishing isn't that good as well, and his floater / push shot is way off.

And please stop thinking Barnes can create open shot for Fleming. If you are to play Fleming who has no in between game, it would be Barrett and or Ingram, where they can kickout or get shots for Flaming, while Flaming can focus on defense. And Thiero would be someone we are more interested in, who was playing a guard before the springing up to 6'6 (without shoes, I assume).


I'm not sure you can just assert that the FO shares your opinion that they're more interested in Adou, I'm certainly not claiming they are Rasheer. Really we don't know who they value more...

But moving past that, I like Thiero too but you haven't really provided any reason why you believe he's a better fit, nor do I agree that Scottie can't find Fleming a shot. He did so for OG when he was here and has done so for Gradey, JaKobe and Ochai and it's not like he's not averaging 6+apg & his assist numbers have been increased annually. So I'm really not understanding the pessimism other than people are frustrated with Scottie's recent play. But I absolutely do think Fleming would fit as pretty much a stereotypical 3+D player that is kicked out to when players like BI, Scottie, RJ are all on the ball more.

Which also kinda contradicts Adou's game who's a sub .300 3pt shooter (26.8% yikes) that will further congest the floor and also is more of a slasher ON BALL. Also at 6'6 that means he's just another SG which is an absolute logjam, just makes the position over congested with him RJ, JaKobe, Ochai and Gradey. He won't have the versatility Rasheer has to guard 3-5 which is what we actually need more to compete with all the big elite teams in the East, Thiero is simply not big enough no matter how you slice it to handle the Tatum, Paolo, Franz, Mobley, Giannis' of the East etc. Fleming on the otherhand at 6'9 with a 7'5 wingspan would and could likely even guard up a position considering his enormous wingspan is.


I already posted their stats and differences previously.
6'8 (6'6 without shoes with 7' wingspan) Thiero has more a mid range and close range game, where he also has better handle. Can guard 1-5 and does things outside of stats.
Fleming is bigger, while he is more limited to a 3&D.

As for the reason I have him over Fleming, Thiero seems to have a good first step, some spin moves. Thiero is projected to hit the 3s, as Thiero has a better free throw % than Fleming. Not surprised Thiero has a better vertical than Fleming.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3 

Post#911 » by arbsn » Sat Feb 22, 2025 10:51 am

Would be nice if we could find another mid FRP this year. There will be some incredible!!! Mid 1st round guys. Would love to move to the mid teens range so many interesting guys like Fears, Queen, Gonzales, Saraf, Demin

Reminds me of 2021 when Sengun and Trey Murphy went 16-17

There were a bunch of people on this board who had Sengun clocked and were pushing for him with 5 which in hindsight would’ve been a great pick
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Post#912 » by MessiahUjiri » Sat Feb 22, 2025 2:49 pm

arbsn wrote:Would be nice if we could find another mid FRP this year. There will be some incredible!!! Mid 1st round guys. Would love to move to the mid teens range so many interesting guys like Fears, Queen, Gonzales, Saraf, Demin

Reminds me of 2021 when Sengun and Trey Murphy went 16-17

There were a bunch of people on this board who had Sengun clocked and were pushing for him with 5 which in hindsight would’ve been a great pick



The most likely way to get a second 1st is by trading back, if we fall out of the top 8.

The second most likely path is probably trading “up” from the 2nd rounder, and attaching some one in a larger swap (eg Dick? RJ?)
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Post#913 » by Psubs » Sat Feb 22, 2025 3:16 pm

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Exactly!

Also I don't think Mogbo will ever be quite the level of shooter necessary to be effective at spacing the floor for Scottie. I don't think Rasheer will remain above 40% as a NBA player lol but his mechanics look WAY better than JMo's and he hits them with a higher degree of difficulty. The key is his 3pt shot is at least one you can't just sag off of him like a Ben Simmons as they do with Mogbo. But he's also physically bigger which will help even more with the all the beasts in the East.

Can't say enough how much I'd like to get him with another pick, he reminds me a ton of Eason and again we can see how Amen/Eason's defence has completely changed HOU's trajectory as a franchise which is why I'd love to get players like Byrd & Fleming here to play similar roles even if obv Byrd isn't the physical speciman Thompson is. Byrd also averages 2.8spg* (GREAT on ball pressure) & 1.5bpg and we seen how much our FO was rumored to like Dyson Daniels. I'm not saying Byrd will be THAT level (not completely ruling it out either because he's a smuthering defender himself) but he also presents the upside to space the floor with a 83% FT shooting rate that again I think he can become another player that's at a legit threat to make 3s to open up the floor. If we hit on those 2, I think it could do wonders for the team moving forward.


The problem with Mogbo isn't just 3 point shooting. His at rim finishing isn't that good as well, and his floater / push shot is way off.

And please stop thinking Barnes can create open shot for Fleming. If you are to play Fleming who has no in between game, it would be Barrett and or Ingram, where they can kickout or get shots for Flaming, while Flaming can focus on defense. And Thiero would be someone we are more interested in, who was playing a guard before the springing up to 6'6 (without shoes, I assume).


I'm not sure you can just assert that the FO shares your opinion that they're more interested in Adou, I'm certainly not claiming they are Rasheer. Really we don't know who they value more...

But moving past that, I like Thiero too but you haven't really provided any reason why you believe he's a better fit, nor do I agree that Scottie can't find Fleming a shot. He did so for OG when he was here and has done so for Gradey, JaKobe and Ochai and it's not like he's not averaging 6+apg & his assist numbers have been increased annually. So I'm really not understanding the pessimism other than people are frustrated with Scottie's recent play. But I absolutely do think Fleming would fit as pretty much a stereotypical 3+D player that is kicked out to when players like BI, Scottie, RJ are all on the ball more.

Which also kinda contradicts Adou's game who's a sub .300 3pt shooter (26.8% yikes) that will further congest the floor and also is more of a slasher ON BALL. Also at 6'6 that means he's just another SG which is an absolute logjam, just makes the position over congested with him RJ, JaKobe, Ochai and Gradey. He won't have the versatility Rasheer has to guard 3-5 which is what we actually need more to compete with all the big elite teams in the East, Thiero is simply not big enough no matter how you slice it to handle the Tatum, Paolo, Franz, Mobley, Giannis' of the East etc. Fleming on the otherhand at 6'9 with a 7'5 wingspan would and could likely even guard up a position considering his enormous wingspan is.


Through November I was driving the Thiero train. So many steals with power. Now I'm wondering if he can take minutes from Mogbo?

The Raptors need more power. Playing the Heat, I thought either someone that can stop Herro or someone that can bully the undersized Heat. Fleming would be huge getting rebounds as we gave up a lot of lame offensive rebounds. Also just powering to the hole.

I think Dick missed 2 wide open 3's. :roll: I wonder if his lack of strength has him less consistent? He needs to get stronger and hit the open corner 3 like FT's like Steph. :D
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3 

Post#914 » by Psubs » Sat Feb 22, 2025 3:17 pm

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arbsn wrote:Would be nice if we could find another mid FRP this year. There will be some incredible!!! Mid 1st round guys. Would love to move to the mid teens range so many interesting guys like Fears, Queen, Gonzales, Saraf, Demin

Reminds me of 2021 when Sengun and Trey Murphy went 16-17

There were a bunch of people on this board who had Sengun clocked and were pushing for him with 5 which in hindsight would’ve been a great pick



The most likely way to get a second 1st is by trading back, if we fall out of the top 8.

The second most likely path is probably trading “up” from the 2nd rounder, and attaching some one in a larger swap (eg Dick? RJ?)


I would trade Agbaji for a late 1st to get Condon.
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Post#915 » by BoyzNTheHood » Sat Feb 22, 2025 3:30 pm



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Post#916 » by BoyzNTheHood » Sat Feb 22, 2025 3:44 pm

A 7 footer doing this is wild

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Post#917 » by Psubs » Sat Feb 22, 2025 3:56 pm

BoyzNTheHood wrote:A 7 footer doing this is wild

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Condon and the Ivisic's can do this.

Wolf I guess is afforded the freedom. They got upset at home vs Michigan State. Wolf is a more nimble Kelly Olynyk.

Jase Richarsdon should definitely be a lottery pick despite tweener combo-guard size. If he was 6'4 without shoes, he'd be a top 5 pick. If the Spurs get Maluach and Jase, it might get scary.

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Post#918 » by Dalek » Sat Feb 22, 2025 4:24 pm

Spates wrote:I think Danny Wolf is exactly the player we need. A more natural floor general/shot creator.


He might be my favorite C in the class just based on creativity. That guy plays with gusto especially the way passes the ball. He is a bigger Kelly Olynyk.
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Post#919 » by BoyzNTheHood » Sat Feb 22, 2025 5:54 pm

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Spates wrote:I think Danny Wolf is exactly the player we need. A more natural floor general/shot creator.


He might be my favorite C in the class just based on creativity. That guy plays with gusto especially the way passes the ball. He is a bigger Kelly Olynyk.

Danny is too good. I think plenty of teams will regret passing on him.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3 

Post#920 » by UnbelievablyRAW » Sat Feb 22, 2025 6:00 pm

Psubs wrote:
BoyzNTheHood wrote:A 7 footer doing this is wild

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Condon and the Ivisic's can do this.

Wolf I guess is afforded the freedom. They got upset at home vs Michigan State. Wolf is a more nimble Kelly Olynyk.

Jase Richarsdon should definitely be a lottery pick despite tweener combo-guard size. If he was 6'4 without shoes, he'd be a top 5 pick. If the Spurs get Maluach and Jase, it might get scary.

PG Jase
SG Vassell
SF Castle
PF Wemby
C Maluach


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