Windhorst: Raptors making noise around the league looking for a “big fish” // Giannis & Toronto "Mutual Interest"/KD too

[Clutch0z24]

I'd bet there have already been discussions through back channels between Giannis and his agent and the team. And I'm sure MIL already has an idea on what teams are willing to offer.

If they actually get offered what you're suggesting, I'd pretty sure they'd go to Giannis and discuss a potential deal with him.

Its just funny to me that because we got away with that absurd Kawhi deal which came with many circumstances that are unrealistic to other deals this fan base thinks we can fleece every trade or get every player on the cheap

A 35 year old KD got Bridges/Cam 4 FRP....

Giannis not on his walk year and Bucks do not need to rush a trade....There will be a bidding war where they will get the best offers they can...They are not obligated to help the Raptors out by accepting Barnes, #9, Dick and no picks....They don't have future picks so you are basically telling them....Take these young players your team was a lottery team with for our best player....If the player package is what they are after they would try and get a player back they can try and compete with instead...

What Bucks want is a pick heavy package (Since they do not have future picks) As well as players they can try and win games with since they do not control their own picks to tank....

I will bet one of the Rockets/Spurs/Okc if a bidding war happens offer up ^ that because them 3 teams would still have talent after the trade to be a title contender for some years....And if Bucks don't like the offers they do not have to trade Giannis because hes not on his walk year...

Who said anything about fleecing?

You're suggesting that a team will trade their best (or one of their best) young guys + a top 10 pick in this draft + 4-5 unprotected 1sts for Giannis and I disagree with that.

If that's the asking price, he won't be traded.

Again you are not reading the package i said ....At least going to cost Barnes/Dick or Barrett/Ochai #9th pick, 3 picks on top and a pick swaps in between....Thats prolly the realistic offer your looking at....If you want to get Giannis for Barnes/Barrett #9 alone ....You will be hanged up on pretty fast and laughed at...

[YogurtProducer]

Would ya'll do RJ + Ochai for Jamal Murray?

Hell no.

Jamal is heavily overrated. IQ at his contract is probably better value than Murray.

[OakleyDokely]

Its just funny to me that because we got away with that absurd Kawhi deal which came with many circumstances that are unrealistic to other deals this fan base thinks we can fleece every trade or get every player on the cheap

A 35 year old KD got Bridges/Cam 4 FRP....

Giannis not on his walk year and Bucks do not need to rush a trade....There will be a bidding war where they will get the best offers they can...They are not obligated to help the Raptors out by accepting Barnes, #9, Dick and no picks....They don't have future picks so you are basically telling them....Take these young players your team was a lottery team with for our best player....If the player package is what they are after they would try and get a player back they can try and compete with instead...

What Bucks want is a pick heavy package (Since they do not have future picks) As well as players they can try and win games with since they do not control their own picks to tank....

I will bet one of the Rockets/Spurs/Okc if a bidding war happens offer up ^ that because them 3 teams would still have talent after the trade to be a title contender for some years....And if Bucks don't like the offers they do not have to trade Giannis because hes not on his walk year...

Who said anything about fleecing?

You're suggesting that a team will trade their best (or one of their best) young guys + a top 10 pick in this draft + 4-5 unprotected 1sts for Giannis and I disagree with that.

If that's the asking price, he won't be traded.

Again you are not reading the package i said ....At least going to cost Barnes/Dick or Barrett/Ochai #9th pick, 3 picks on top and a pick swaps in between....Thats prones, lly the realistic offer your looking at....If you want to get Giannis for Barnes/Barrett #9 alone ....You will be hanged up on pretty fast and laughed at...

Again, I just disagree. If a team is willing to give up a top young guy, that will impact the amount of future picks (and protections) they will also give up . If it's mostly a pick deal MIL wants, sure they can/will get a lot of them.

[bballsparkin]

Bucks absolutely do not want to trade Giannis. They are only trading him if he asks out. This is a hall of fame, franchise icon that they will gladly keep until he retires...

But when you look at the team they've put around him the man basically has to ask out.

[WuTang_CMB]

Bucks absolutely do not want to trade Giannis. They are only trading him if he asks out. This is a hall of fame, franchise icon that they will gladly keep until he retires...

But when you look at the team they've put around him the man basically has to ask out.

And until he does, they will keep him

[ForeverTFC]

The problem I run into, is that what we can send out that doesn't entirely gut the team, the Bucks likely dont take. Say RJ + salary and all those picks, them running Dame and RJ would be the laughing stock of the league for guard rotation defence, and since they don't have their own picks it makes no sense. You could always package RJ/IQ, but I think the Bucks would need to offload Dame somewhere which wont be easy, and then we lose our PG.

That said, moving Scottie afterwards would make sense and allow us to get a PG/Centre, I still think that no matter what, we don't have the assets to make this trade and still field a team that would really make any noise. Playoffs are a certainty, and I would say even 2nd round is almost certain, but while we've got him on contract, I can't see how it would result in anything substantial, all while blowing basically everything we have.

Just seems super short-sighted.

Masai and Co. have given us enough evidence to know they won't make this move without having a plan in place to compete (see Kawhi trade, KD and Lillard trade proposals). Ultimately, the market sets the price. I'm glad they're trying to do this.

[Clutch0z24]

Who said anything about fleecing?

You're suggesting that a team will trade their best (or one of their best) young guys + a top 10 pick in this draft + 4-5 unprotected 1sts for Giannis and I disagree with that.

If that's the asking price, he won't be traded.

Again you are not reading the package i said ....At least going to cost Barnes/Dick or Barrett/Ochai #9th pick, 3 picks on top and a pick swaps in between....Thats prones, lly the realistic offer your looking at....If you want to get Giannis for Barnes/Barrett #9 alone ....You will be hanged up on pretty fast and laughed at...

Again, I just disagree. If a team is willing to give up a top young guy, that will impact the amount of future picks (and protections) they will also give up . If it's mostly a pick deal MIL wants, sure they can/will get a lot of them.

Look at it from the Bucks perspective though....They do NOT control their own picks so if they get a pick package from a team that just added Giannis all while keeping their best players as well...What in the world do these picks look like? 28-30th picks why would that be enticing at all to them?...If that would be the case Giannis is going to be a Pelican and get their picks back so they can at least tank properly...

The reason they would want Players + picks in any trade package is because they want players they can at least build with all while at least winning some games while also getting some picks for the future.....If they only can choose one or the other and not both they will just do what Dallas did and trade Giannis to a team like the Cavs for Mitchell....And still would not deal with us anyways because Barnes is not leading a team to the playoffs anyways...

Logical thinking here...

[ATLTimekeeper]

Yeah but in the event things go tits up, you don't want your picks every 2 years. Not only does it limit you if you have bad seasons, but you can't trade anything and locks you into attempting to compete no matter the roster. This is like a 10x riskier version of the Kawhi trade, cept without the potential return. Just seems like not a great idea, definitely makes sense for MLSE and ticket sales etc though.

The odds of a first overall player becoming a top 5 player in the NBA aren't all that good, anyway, so I'm willing to pay that price for even a couple of seasons of one. The downside is mitigated by retaining those picks every other year.

The Spurs wouldn't disclose Kawhi's medical information, wouldn't let Toronto talk to Kawhi's people, wouldn't work with Kawhi or LA. The Raptors weren't certain Kawhi would even show up. There was considerable risk there at the time, and the price was factored into that risk.

[WuTang_CMB]

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[OakleyDokely]

Again you are not reading the package i said ....At least going to cost Barnes/Dick or Barrett/Ochai #9th pick, 3 picks on top and a pick swaps in between....Thats prones, lly the realistic offer your looking at....If you want to get Giannis for Barnes/Barrett #9 alone ....You will be hanged up on pretty fast and laughed at...

Again, I just disagree. If a team is willing to give up a top young guy, that will impact the amount of future picks (and protections) they will also give up . If it's mostly a pick deal MIL wants, sure they can/will get a lot of them.

Look at it from the Bucks perspective though....They do NOT control their own picks so if they get a pick package from a team that just added Giannis all while keeping their best players as well...What in the world do these picks look like? 28-30th picks why would that be enticing at all to them?...If that would be the case Giannis is going to be a Pelican and get their picks back so they can at least tank properly...

The reason they would want Players + picks in any trade package is because they want players they can at least build with all while at least winning some games while also getting some picks for the future.....If they only can choose one or the other and not both they will just do what Dallas did and trade Giannis to a team like the Cavs for Mitchell....And still would not deal with us anyways because Barnes is not leading a team to the playoffs anyways...

Logical thinking here...

I understand why MIL would shoot for the moon, doesn't mean they will get the moon.

[D.Brasco]

[Madvillainy2004]

Bucks absolutely do not want to trade Giannis. They are only trading him if he asks out. This is a hall of fame, franchise icon that they will gladly keep until he retires...

But when you look at the team they've put around him the man basically has to ask out.

Dames Achilles tear is the main reason this is being talked about tbh

[PushDaRock]

Seeing all these photos of Giannis in Raptors gear is encouraging IMO. He could be wearing gear from any team but he's choosing Raptors gear. Maybe he just likes the logo or colours but I think it could mean something more, we will find out soon.

[positivetension]

Seeing all these photos of Giannis in Raptors gear is encouraging IMO. He could be wearing gear from any team but he's choosing Raptors gear. Maybe he just likes the logo or colours but I think it could mean something more, we will find out soon.

That's AI. Even has the Grok watermark.

[Clay Davis]

Seeing all these photos of Giannis in Raptors gear is encouraging IMO. He could be wearing gear from any team but he's choosing Raptors gear. Maybe he just likes the logo or colours but I think it could mean something more, we will find out soon.

That's AI. Even has the Grok watermark.

The Greek flags in the background also have L rizz lol

[PushDaRock]

Seeing all these photos of Giannis in Raptors gear is encouraging IMO. He could be wearing gear from any team but he's choosing Raptors gear. Maybe he just likes the logo or colours but I think it could mean something more, we will find out soon.

That's AI. Even has the Grok watermark.

That's not Allen Iverson, I'm 99.9% sure it's Giannis.

[NinjaBro]

Seeing all these photos of Giannis in Raptors gear is encouraging IMO. He could be wearing gear from any team but he's choosing Raptors gear. Maybe he just likes the logo or colours but I think it could mean something more, we will find out soon.

Yes he's walking all around Milwaukee wearing a raptors jersey

[PushDaRock]

Seeing all these photos of Giannis in Raptors gear is encouraging IMO. He could be wearing gear from any team but he's choosing Raptors gear. Maybe he just likes the logo or colours but I think it could mean something more, we will find out soon.

Yes he's walking all around Milwaukee wearing a raptors jersey

Seems like he's making his intentions known, might be why the betting odds swung so much.

[LoveMyRaps]

LaMelo is another option….

[niQ]

Torontos. lol

Need an image of him eating Osmow's.