OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread

[YelloC]

Double-digit IQ’s?

Yes. As in sub 100. As in not very smart. As in actively contributing to the spread of this virus.

If 100 is average? What relegates someone to "not very smart". 99? 88? I noticed you called posters morons in a previous post. When does not very smart become morons? Sub 67? Should realgm be giving out IQ tests so that only posters who achieve tripple-digit IQ tests be allowed to post in these kind of threads? Wouldn't relegating big discussions like this to only tripple-digit IQ's leave us vulnerable to a higher tendency of neuroticism? I suspect it would. I'm way too lazy to look into it. But I suspect it will nonetheless.

I guess we'll never know though eh.

That’s not how you spell triple.

[Kevin Willis]

Yes. As in sub 100. As in not very smart. As in actively contributing to the spread of this virus.

If 100 is average? What relegates someone to "not very smart". 99? 88? I noticed you called posters morons in a previous post. When does not very smart become morons? Sub 67? Should realgm be giving out IQ tests so that only posters who achieve tripple-digit IQ tests be allowed to post in these kind of threads? Wouldn't relegating big discussions like this to only tripple-digit IQ's leave us vulnerable to a higher tendency of neuroticism? I suspect it would. I'm way too lazy to look into it. But I suspect it will nonetheless.

I guess we'll never know though eh.

That’s not how you spell triple.

[SocialistHipHop]

If 100 is average? What relegates someone to "not very smart". 99? 88? I noticed you called posters morons in a previous post. When does not very smart become morons? Sub 67? Should realgm be giving out IQ tests so that only posters who achieve tripple-digit IQ tests be allowed to post in these kind of threads? Wouldn't relegating big discussions like this to only tripple-digit IQ's leave us vulnerable to a higher tendency of neuroticism? I suspect it would. I'm way too lazy to look into it. But I suspect it will nonetheless.

I guess we'll never know though eh.

That’s not how you spell triple.

My thoughts exactly. Do we really need to be putting people down for their spelling or grammar?

[TorontoRapsFan]

Best part is I'd wager anti-maskers aren't likely to be the people going to get tested either.

So the best part is they might be wandering around infecting more people? Fantastic.

Make sure you stay in your cave until they tell you its safe.

Is there any scenario where when doctors and scientists tell you to stay home because there is a virus out there you would listen? Genuinely curious.

[TorontoRapsFan]

during the summer we had all those Social movements, all those protests and the COVID Numbers were "fine"/better. then fall hits , 2nd wave hits. What happened there?!
Protesters seemed all to have Masks. Is that really all it was that prevented the 2nd wave to start in the summer instead?!

By social movements you're talking about the US right? The US that only had a dip for the one or so month of lockdowns they had and only really had a dip in their numbers because of it, and the states like NY who went hard and quit contributing to the rising numbers? Everybody looks at places that have tried to contain the virus and argues from there. Why not look at the idiots who did what some of you want and has literally had one dip in their numbers around 1.5 months long? You know the country that decided no more lockdown needed, we won, yay Republicans, boo to those liberal a**hats in NY, we didn't have to shut down our state for months. And now NY that started brutally, one of the most densely populated states, is sitting 24th in infection rate, the country is still pushing 70k infections daily. And it's not like they have their country completely open for business right now either. But hey, why look at what a problem case might look like. Lets pick on the not so disastrous outcomes and make it look like it wasn't needed.

[ash_k]

during the summer we had all those Social movements, all those protests and the COVID Numbers were "fine"/better. then fall hits , 2nd wave hits. What happened there?!
Protesters seemed all to have Masks. Is that really all it was that prevented the 2nd wave to start in the summer instead?!

By social movements you're talking about the US right? The US that only had a dip for the one or so month of lockdowns they had and only really had a dip in their numbers because of it, and the states like NY who went hard and quit contributing to the rising numbers? Everybody looks at places that have tried to contain the virus and argues from there. Why not look at the idiots who did what some of you want and has literally had one dip in their numbers around 1.5 months long? You know the country that decided no more lockdown needed, we won, yay Republicans, boo to those liberal a**hats in NY, we didn't have to shut down our state for months. And now NY that started brutally, one of the most densely populated states, is sitting 24th in infection rate, the country is still pushing 70k infections daily. And it's not like they have their country completely open for business right now either. But hey, why look at what a problem case might look like. Lets pick on the not so disastrous outcomes and make it look like it wasn't needed.

In Canada, in France, in Great Britain as well.
but yeah, COVID has proven that Republicans/conservatives and their anti-science tendencies have had deadly consequences

[TorontoRapsFan]

during the summer we had all those Social movements, all those protests and the COVID Numbers were "fine"/better. then fall hits , 2nd wave hits. What happened there?!
Protesters seemed all to have Masks. Is that really all it was that prevented the 2nd wave to start in the summer instead?!

By social movements you're talking about the US right? The US that only had a dip for the one or so month of lockdowns they had and only really had a dip in their numbers because of it, and the states like NY who went hard and quit contributing to the rising numbers? Everybody looks at places that have tried to contain the virus and argues from there. Why not look at the idiots who did what some of you want and has literally had one dip in their numbers around 1.5 months long? You know the country that decided no more lockdown needed, we won, yay Republicans, boo to those liberal a**hats in NY, we didn't have to shut down our state for months. And now NY that started brutally, one of the most densely populated states, is sitting 24th in infection rate, the country is still pushing 70k infections daily. And it's not like they have their country completely open for business right now either. But hey, why look at what a problem case might look like. Lets pick on the not so disastrous outcomes and make it look like it wasn't needed.

In Canada, in France, in Great Britain as well.
but yeah, COVID has proven that Republicans/conservatives and their anti-science tendencies have had deadly consequences

I think I missed the sarcasm in your first post. Thought it was anti mask, pro cold weather is the difference argument.

[Caboclo]

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[NBA Sheady]

Double-digit IQ’s?

Yes. As in sub 100. As in not very smart. As in actively contributing to the spread of this virus.

I was thinking more single digit.

That actually would make more sense.

[NBA Sheady]

Yes. As in sub 100. As in not very smart. As in actively contributing to the spread of this virus.

If 100 is average? What relegates someone to "not very smart". 99? 88? I noticed you called posters morons in a previous post. When does not very smart become morons? Sub 67? Should realgm be giving out IQ tests so that only posters who achieve tripple-digit IQ tests be allowed to post in these kind of threads? Wouldn't relegating big discussions like this to only tripple-digit IQ's leave us vulnerable to a higher tendency of neuroticism? I suspect it would. I'm way too lazy to look into it. But I suspect it will nonetheless.

I guess we'll never know though eh.

That’s not how you spell triple.

So perfect.

[ItsDanger]

I heard Toronto was going to start tracking cases by race a while ago. Any data on this yet? The province hasn't released any data by ethnicity or recent immigrant status. I don't think they're collecting it (which is absurd). Current data published includes geography, age, sex. As a month ago :

Sep 9th CBC: "Immigrants, refugees nearly half of Ontario's COVID-19 cases but only a quarter of the population: study"

Sep 30th CTV: "Researcher urges Canada to track link between race and COVID-19 as study reveals troubling trend"

Sep 21st CBC: "People of colour make up 66% of Ottawa's COVID-19 cases"

The trend matches the US as well (where Hispanic, Black and Native Americans have higher rates relative to Whites). There are a host of explanations available for this but we need the data here in Ontario. These politicians need to act like adults.

[Local_NG_Idiot]

I heard Toronto was going to start tracking cases by race a while ago. Any data on this yet? The province hasn't released any data by ethnicity or recent immigrant status. I don't think they're collecting it (which is absurd). Current data published includes geography, age, sex. As a month ago :

Sep 9th CBC: "Immigrants, refugees nearly half of Ontario's COVID-19 cases but only a quarter of the population: study"

Sep 30th CTV: "Researcher urges Canada to track link between race and COVID-19 as study reveals troubling trend"

Sep 21st CBC: "People of colour make up 66% of Ottawa's COVID-19 cases"

The trend matches the US as well (where Hispanic, Black and Native Americans have higher rates relative to Whites). There are a host of explanations available for this but we need the data here in Ontario. These politicians need to act like adults.

1 - what makes you think they aren't tracking this data and thus are not adults?

2 - in Ontario, how would YOU go about releasing this information to the general public while maintaining PHIPA (Personal Health Information Protection Act)?

[ItsDanger]

I heard Toronto was going to start tracking cases by race a while ago. Any data on this yet? The province hasn't released any data by ethnicity or recent immigrant status. I don't think they're collecting it (which is absurd). Current data published includes geography, age, sex. As a month ago :

Sep 9th CBC: "Immigrants, refugees nearly half of Ontario's COVID-19 cases but only a quarter of the population: study"

Sep 30th CTV: "Researcher urges Canada to track link between race and COVID-19 as study reveals troubling trend"

Sep 21st CBC: "People of colour make up 66% of Ottawa's COVID-19 cases"

The trend matches the US as well (where Hispanic, Black and Native Americans have higher rates relative to Whites). There are a host of explanations available for this but we need the data here in Ontario. These politicians need to act like adults.

1 - what makes you think they aren't tracking this data and thus are not adults?

2 - in Ontario, how would YOU go about releasing this information to the general public while maintaining PHIPA (Personal Health Information Protection Act)?

I suppose they could be collecting but are not releasing it publicly? Not sure, the various articles suggest they're not. I don't need individual data, just the aggregate so it protects privacy. Comparisons with other regions may provide clues to who is more in higher risk categories.

[Hero]

I agree, it needs to be like a stage 2.5 and not a full stage 3. Restaurants and gyms open, but very low capacity. Hell, I would even go as far as reservation only for most restaurants that aren’t in the fast food category. Let’s put some damn controls in place instead of the loose rules that hurt everyone as we saw

This really isn't an easy decision. We need to use the data we have available and do the best we can based on it. It's not like a pandemic like this has happened recently. You don't want to close down more than you have to and have such a severe hit to businesses and people's livelihoods.

We really need to be looking at countries which are doing better and see what is working. From what I can see both Korea and Japan are doing much better than us.

[Local_NG_Idiot]

I heard Toronto was going to start tracking cases by race a while ago. Any data on this yet? The province hasn't released any data by ethnicity or recent immigrant status. I don't think they're collecting it (which is absurd). Current data published includes geography, age, sex. As a month ago :

Sep 9th CBC: "Immigrants, refugees nearly half of Ontario's COVID-19 cases but only a quarter of the population: study"

Sep 30th CTV: "Researcher urges Canada to track link between race and COVID-19 as study reveals troubling trend"

Sep 21st CBC: "People of colour make up 66% of Ottawa's COVID-19 cases"

The trend matches the US as well (where Hispanic, Black and Native Americans have higher rates relative to Whites). There are a host of explanations available for this but we need the data here in Ontario. These politicians need to act like adults.

1 - what makes you think they aren't tracking this data and thus are not adults?

2 - in Ontario, how would YOU go about releasing this information to the general public while maintaining PHIPA (Personal Health Information Protection Act)?

I suppose they could be collecting but are not releasing it publicly? Not sure, the various articles suggest they're not. I don't need individual data, just the aggregate so it protects privacy. Comparisons with other regions may provide clues to who is more in higher risk categories.

PHIPA states it's the responsibility of the health information custodians to obtain an individual's consent when using and disclosing personal health information.

So without consent from each covid tested patient, YOU are not entitled to see aggregate data with the exception where PHIPA allows disclosure without consent, which are the data points we already have access to.

[ItsDanger]

1 - what makes you think they aren't tracking this data and thus are not adults?

2 - in Ontario, how would YOU go about releasing this information to the general public while maintaining PHIPA (Personal Health Information Protection Act)?

I suppose they could be collecting but are not releasing it publicly? Not sure, the various articles suggest they're not. I don't need individual data, just the aggregate so it protects privacy. Comparisons with other regions may provide clues to who is more in higher risk categories.

PHIPA states it's the responsibility of the health information custodians to obtain an individual's consent when using and disclosing personal health information.

So without consent from each covid tested patient, YOU are not entitled to see aggregate data with the exception where PHIPA allows disclosure without consent, which are the data points we already have access to.

"when using". Therefore we could assume they're not collecting it if no consent was given. Not very helpful.

[Local_NG_Idiot]

I suppose they could be collecting but are not releasing it publicly? Not sure, the various articles suggest they're not. I don't need individual data, just the aggregate so it protects privacy. Comparisons with other regions may provide clues to who is more in higher risk categories.

PHIPA states it's the responsibility of the health information custodians to obtain an individual's consent when using and disclosing personal health information.

So without consent from each covid tested patient, YOU are not entitled to see aggregate data with the exception where PHIPA allows disclosure without consent, which are the data points we already have access to.

"when using". Therefore we could assume they're not collecting it if no consent was given. Not very helpful.

Not very helpful to whom exactly? Not very helpful in disclosing private patient data so you have some type of talking point on a basketball forum? I for one am very grateful that we have PHIPA and it continues to be enforced.

These politicians need to act like adults.

they are......by protecting yours and all Ontarian's rights to privacy.

[BBallInSight]

Go volunteer your time in a hospital, long term care, or retirement home for a week and then come back here and say this again.

There are fewer than 2 Covid patients in Ontario, on average in each hospital. Why would you expect that to change his mind?

I literally bumped into 3 during my visit to Sunnybrook before the second wave even started. And that was just random chance (one was a nurse in the ER checking in (caught it from her patients), 2 were intubated and going to get scanned when I was). I didn't bump into every Covid patient in the hospital in 48 hours. Hospitals have entire wards full of them.

Maybe hospitals in remote towns aren't full of Covid patients because they don't have a lot of cases (low population density), but the cities absolutely do.

There are 130 cases hospitalized across 40 hospitals in Toronto. That's an average of 3.25 per hospital. Maybe you did bump into every Covid patient there.

[ItsDanger]

PHIPA states it's the responsibility of the health information custodians to obtain an individual's consent when using and disclosing personal health information.

So without consent from each covid tested patient, YOU are not entitled to see aggregate data with the exception where PHIPA allows disclosure without consent, which are the data points we already have access to.

"when using". Therefore we could assume they're not collecting it if no consent was given. Not very helpful.

Not very helpful to whom exactly? Not very helpful in disclosing private patient data so you have some type of talking point on a basketball forum? I for one am very grateful that we have PHIPA and it continues to be enforced.

These politicians need to act like adults.

they are......by protecting yours and all Ontarian's rights to privacy.

Follow the science.

[Local_NG_Idiot]

"when using". Therefore we could assume they're not collecting it if no consent was given. Not very helpful.

Not very helpful to whom exactly? Not very helpful in disclosing private patient data so you have some type of talking point on a basketball forum? I for one am very grateful that we have PHIPA and it continues to be enforced.

These politicians need to act like adults.

they are......by protecting yours and all Ontarian's rights to privacy.

Follow the science.

our medical officials are.