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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#921 » by WuTang_CMB » Thu Mar 9, 2023 3:41 am

REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:I don't think that's how Masai is going to see it. Glue guys are commonly available via trades and free agency for the right price whereas star players are not and he understands how hard it has been for Toronto to historically recruit and retain star players.

Draft time for the Raps needs to be about hitting homeruns regardless of where they are picking.


Masai doesn’t look at the draft like that minus bruno
Colby is high floor. We normally target those types of players. And we did it at 9 with Poeltl who had the least bust potential at the time. Not saying Colby is the pick at 15, but we will definitely target talented, intelligent players with great advanced stats. The upside will always be the question but you dont want to get burned in a draft like this where all the talent is bunched up.
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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#922 » by Rapsfan07 » Thu Mar 9, 2023 3:44 am

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REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:Colby is a very safe pick because even if his 3 point percentages tank in the NBA and he only shoots it 34-35% (which is a distinct possibility given the low sample size combined with his discouraging free throw percentages) he's still going to provide value as a glue guy who is efficient in other areas. Looks like floor is a solid bench piece who can spot start and hang vs. NBA starters.

He's a guy who is going to last in the NBA longer than a lot of guys drafted around him but I'm not really sold on him becoming anything special so it'd be beyond hard to justify taking him mid round.


Yeah I don't think he's going to be a star but I don't think anyone around our range is going to be anyway.

Jones has a high floor, medium ceiling and I think thats the best we can hope for around 15.


Jones at 15 overall would be like settling for a girlfriend who you know you get can with who is a 7.


If you're a 7 yourself, its dark in the party and that same 7 is down to come back to the apartment, better to do that then come back home alone or leave with a 4 :wink:
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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#923 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Thu Mar 9, 2023 3:47 am

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Yeah I don't think he's going to be a star but I don't think anyone around our range is going to be anyway.

Jones has a high floor, medium ceiling and I think thats the best we can hope for around 15.


Jones at 15 overall would be like settling for a girlfriend who you know you get can with who is a 7.


If you're a 7 yourself, its dark in the party and that same 7 is down to come back to the apartment, better to do that then come back home alone or leave with a 4 :wink:


Nah Masai is going for the 8.5.

If the player is African Masai seems to add an extra 0.5-1 pt
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Post#924 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Thu Mar 9, 2023 4:24 am

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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#926 » by Psubs » Thu Mar 9, 2023 4:54 am

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1.5 A to 2.6 turnovers as a junior in the weak Ivy League and shooting only 30% from 3 and under 70% from FT. I think his ceiling is Kevin Knox. OH MY GOD, the Knicks drafted Knox 9th overall. Ha ha ha, like the drafted Jordan Hill 8th overall.

Should've drafted Derozan, I KNEW Hill would be a bust and glad they took him, at best an MLE level player.

Knox with Mikal Bridges and SGA taken right after. :lol:
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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#927 » by Psubs » Thu Mar 9, 2023 5:23 am



Lets see if he can get himself into the 1st round with a good post-season.
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#928 » by BoyzNTheHood » Thu Mar 9, 2023 5:27 am

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Lets see if he can get himself into the 1st round with a good post-season.

He has so many gifts offensively. If he could get his head out of his butt and take better shots he’d be top 10
deeps6x wrote:I guarantee you that (Jaylen) Brown and (Kris) Dunn are drafted OUT of the top 5.
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#929 » by Rapsfan07 » Thu Mar 9, 2023 5:30 am

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Psubs wrote:

Lets see if he can get himself into the 1st round with a good post-season.

He has so many gifts offensively. If he could get his head out of his butt and take better shots he’d be top 10


I actually like Terquavion. I don't think he's going to be star but when you're selecting outside of the lottery, what you really want is guys who have a defined skill ...and he has that. Whether or not he pans out will be another matter entirely but I think he has what it takes to be a microwave bench scorer/ 6th man type and those are very valuable in the NBA.
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Post#930 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Thu Mar 9, 2023 5:37 am

I have Terquavion on my DND list.
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#931 » by BoyzNTheHood » Thu Mar 9, 2023 6:06 am

Rapsfan07 wrote:
BoyzNTheHood wrote:
Psubs wrote:

Lets see if he can get himself into the 1st round with a good post-season.

He has so many gifts offensively. If he could get his head out of his butt and take better shots he’d be top 10


I actually like Terquavion. I don't think he's going to be star but when you're selecting outside of the lottery, what you really want is guys who have a defined skill ...and he has that. Whether or not he pans out will be another matter entirely but I think he has what it takes to be a microwave bench scorer/ 6th man type and those are very valuable in the NBA.

To me, his shot selection will probably become aggravating. I mean, we have guys that would normally be 50% shooters like Scottie and Pascal going for horrible shooting nights far too often. So I can only imagine Terq going full FVV far too often.

But on the other hand, I ask myself what really separates Terq and Keyonte George besides age? And tbh I can’t think of much.
deeps6x wrote:I guarantee you that (Jaylen) Brown and (Kris) Dunn are drafted OUT of the top 5.
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Post#932 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Thu Mar 9, 2023 6:44 am



Sasser probably getting the Davion Mitchell treatment and going end of lottery if Houston wins the championship like this guy is predicting.
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Post#933 » by grant101 » Thu Mar 9, 2023 1:38 pm

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REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:I don't think that's how Masai is going to see it. Glue guys are commonly available via trades and free agency for the right price whereas star players are not and he understands how hard it has been for Toronto to historically recruit and retain star players.

Draft time for the Raps needs to be about hitting homeruns regardless of where they are picking.


Masai doesn’t look at the draft like that minus bruno
Colby is high floor. We normally target those types of players. And we did it at 9 with Poeltl who had the least bust potential at the time. Not saying Colby is the pick at 15, but we will definitely target talented, intelligent players with great advanced stats. The upside will always be the question but you dont want to get burned in a draft like this where all the talent is bunched up.


I think it's always going to be relative to who's left on the board. Not sure Poeltl would have been the pick had Jaylen Brown or Marquese Chriss had still been there - two names mentioned a lot at the time (though Brown was always a little bit of a pipe dream). The Raps also had the benefit of a late first that year to swing for the fences. This year's draft has quite a few really intriguing upside bets, so if we're going to go the role-player route, you've gotta hit.

I like Jones as a later first, early-second flyer on a role-plarer. I don't see the upside with Jones that some on this board do, and you've gotta be certain that the 3pt shot is real and not a one-year outlier to draft him near the lottery. Otherwise I just don't see what separates from dozens of jack-of-all-trades below-the-rim guard sized players in the g-league. He's just not going to get the reps on this team like he does at Xavier, and he's not a pg. Felt similarly about Wendell Moore Jr. (another player that had a lot of fans on this board).
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#934 » by Rodrickle » Thu Mar 9, 2023 1:45 pm

I like Colby Jones with a late 1st, not a mid 1st. People comparing him to Brogdon though, I think Brogdon, while not an elite athlete, was still a tier higher athletically and a bit more twitchy than Jones. Looks at the way both of them finish. Colby looks like he'll be a good rotation player though in a year or two. He does seem like a Masai pick, (similar to Nembhard who we wanted) . I can see us picking him if we make a trade and get another 1st. But I think we should aim higher for our own pick
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#935 » by Rapsfan07 » Thu Mar 9, 2023 1:47 pm

Rodrickle wrote:I like Colby Jones with a late 1st, not a mid 1st. People comparing him to Brogdon though, I think Brogdon, while not an elite athlete, was still a tier higher athletically and a bit more twitchy than Jones. Looks at the way both of them finish. Colby looks like he'll be a good rotation player though in a year or two. He does seem like a Masai pick, (similar to Nembhard who we wanted) . I can see us picking him if we make a trade and get another 1st. But I think we should aim higher for our own pick


Thats a reasonable assessment.

If we pick 15, or thereabouts, who would you take?
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#936 » by Rodrickle » Thu Mar 9, 2023 2:00 pm

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Rodrickle wrote:I like Colby Jones with a late 1st, not a mid 1st. People comparing him to Brogdon though, I think Brogdon, while not an elite athlete, was still a tier higher athletically and a bit more twitchy than Jones. Looks at the way both of them finish. Colby looks like he'll be a good rotation player though in a year or two. He does seem like a Masai pick, (similar to Nembhard who we wanted) . I can see us picking him if we make a trade and get another 1st. But I think we should aim higher for our own pick


Thats a reasonable assessment.

If we pick 15, or thereabouts, who would you take?


I like Cason, Hendricks , Rupert (if he drops), on the fence with Kobe Bufkin, ,
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#937 » by Rapsfan07 » Thu Mar 9, 2023 2:08 pm

Rodrickle wrote:
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Rodrickle wrote:I like Colby Jones with a late 1st, not a mid 1st. People comparing him to Brogdon though, I think Brogdon, while not an elite athlete, was still a tier higher athletically and a bit more twitchy than Jones. Looks at the way both of them finish. Colby looks like he'll be a good rotation player though in a year or two. He does seem like a Masai pick, (similar to Nembhard who we wanted) . I can see us picking him if we make a trade and get another 1st. But I think we should aim higher for our own pick


Thats a reasonable assessment.

If we pick 15, or thereabouts, who would you take?


I like Cason, Hendricks , Rupert (if he drops), on the fence with Kobe Bufkin, ,


Cason and Hendricks are good picks at that spot...they're both on my list above Jones if they're available.

I'm still on the fence about Rupert ...not sure how how I feel about him. But I do like Bufkin, just not at 15.
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#939 » by BoyzNTheHood » Thu Mar 9, 2023 2:14 pm

Rodrickle wrote:
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Rodrickle wrote:I like Colby Jones with a late 1st, not a mid 1st. People comparing him to Brogdon though, I think Brogdon, while not an elite athlete, was still a tier higher athletically and a bit more twitchy than Jones. Looks at the way both of them finish. Colby looks like he'll be a good rotation player though in a year or two. He does seem like a Masai pick, (similar to Nembhard who we wanted) . I can see us picking him if we make a trade and get another 1st. But I think we should aim higher for our own pick


Thats a reasonable assessment.

If we pick 15, or thereabouts, who would you take?


I like Cason, Hendricks , Rupert (if he drops), on the fence with Kobe Bufkin, ,

Neither Cason Wallace nor Taylor Hendricks should be available when we pick. If one of them is you take them and run.
deeps6x wrote:I guarantee you that (Jaylen) Brown and (Kris) Dunn are drafted OUT of the top 5.
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