Raps V. Nuggets - Preseason - Mon, Oct 6th, 2025 - 10PM EST

[ForeverTFC]

The excuses for Barnes are never ending.

It is not Darkos fault he doesn't have a jumpshot and has questionable effort.

The offensive philosophy is on Darko. I can't remember us running a single action to get Scottie a good shot last night. The offensive gameplan didn't seem to involve him in any way really.

What exactly is an action to get Scottie a good shot, though?

Anything mid range is 100% better suited for Ingram. Towards the rim is Barrett. From 3 is IQ.

Barnes just... doesn't have any positive scoring attributes.

TBH - his best offensive role going forward really is to have no role in a pecking order. He can connect, and hopefully learn to play effectively offball with cuts and corner 3's, but I really honestly don't think you ever draw up a play for Barnes.

If you really do think that's his end game, we should trade him ASAP. I'll take it a step further: if this is what Scottie is going to be, we need to tear this thing down now and re-set.

[Madvillainy2004]

The excuses for Barnes are never ending.

It is not Darkos fault he doesn't have a jumpshot and has questionable effort.

The offensive philosophy is on Darko. I can't remember us running a single action to get Scottie a good shot last night. The offensive gameplan didn't seem to involve him in any way really.

What exactly is an action to get Scottie a good shot, though?

Anything mid range is 100% better suited for Ingram. Towards the rim is Barrett. From 3 is IQ.

Barnes just... doesn't have any positive scoring attributes.

TBH - his best offensive role going forward really is to have no role in a pecking order. He can connect, and hopefully learn to play effectively offball with cuts and corner 3's, but I really honestly don't think you ever draw up a play for Barnes.

I haven't seen the like play type data in awhile but from what I remember there is no play thats a bread and butter for Scottie. Hes not good as a PnR Ball Hanlder or Roller (doesn't even want to screen even lmao), he cant spot up, he doesnt cut, hes not good in transition. He just doesnt have a play type he can spam effectively against NBA defenses.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

It's year four and he's not added a singe thing to his game.

[dballislife]

how did quickley get his 32 million dollar bag??? hes not movable at that price...and got payed after 30 games too lol

literally cannot dribble past his defenders, if hes not taking 3s or free throws he looks terrible on offense

[Madvillainy2004]

The offensive philosophy is on Darko. I can't remember us running a single action to get Scottie a good shot last night. The offensive gameplan didn't seem to involve him in any way really.

What exactly is an action to get Scottie a good shot, though?

Anything mid range is 100% better suited for Ingram. Towards the rim is Barrett. From 3 is IQ.

Barnes just... doesn't have any positive scoring attributes.

TBH - his best offensive role going forward really is to have no role in a pecking order. He can connect, and hopefully learn to play effectively offball with cuts and corner 3's, but I really honestly don't think you ever draw up a play for Barnes.

If you really do think that's his end game, we should trade him ASAP. I'll take it a step further: if this is what Scottie is going to be, we need to tear this thing down now and re-set.

Until he proves otherwise if we want to win thats just gonna be how it is. But yes having a max player that has no role on offense and is basically a worse Sixers Andre Igoudala is not exactly a good thing lmao

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

For real, they basically paid for Quickley's potential to be a starting PG, based on a limited game stretch after acquiring him.

[ConSarnit]

The excuses for Barnes are never ending.

It is not Darkos fault he doesn't have a jumpshot and has questionable effort.

The offensive philosophy is on Darko. I can't remember us running a single action to get Scottie a good shot last night. The offensive gameplan didn't seem to involve him in any way really.

What exactly is an action to get Scottie a good shot, though?

Anything mid range is 100% better suited for Ingram. Towards the rim is Barrett. From 3 is IQ.

Barnes just... doesn't have any positive scoring attributes.

TBH - his best offensive role going forward really is to have no role in a pecking order. He can connect, and hopefully learn to play effectively offball with cuts and corner 3's, but I really honestly don't think you ever draw up a play for Barnes.

Yeah, I don’t know what type of play you’d even run? Something to get him a 12 footer? What team is running sets with the end goal being a 47% make from midrange?

Obviously Barnes 3pt shooting is terrible. Even a corner 3 (where he’s bad for his career) is not something you run a play for. His post-up game is below average. ISO game is terrible. PNR ball handler scoring is bad.

There are no good plays to run for Barnes. If we’re trying to win now we have less room for error and can’t give him undeserved possessions anymore. He’s had a chance to show something from anywhere and the best he has is above average shooting from 10–14ft and even that’s been superseded by Ingrams midrange abilities. If we want to make the playoffs he doesn’t deserve the touches anymore.

[Grew]

Scottie is really making it hard to believe in him. He's at that point where he needs to be a consistent force. Last night was like a dude who doesn't have a plan on how to impact the game. He didn't even attack the basket once, unless I blinked and missed it.

He looked clumsy and flimsy out there. My guy was throwing people around as a rookie, looks like he hasn't been in the weight room since, and having off season injuries doesn't seem like a legitimate excuse this season.

It's always been a bit of a joke that he is streaming video games instead of working on his game. It's not so funny anymore.

One preseason game means nothing and it's too early to judge... But this was a scary start for a guy we need to make a leap.

[ATLTimekeeper]

What exactly is an action to get Scottie a good shot, though?

Anything mid range is 100% better suited for Ingram. Towards the rim is Barrett. From 3 is IQ.

Barnes just... doesn't have any positive scoring attributes.

TBH - his best offensive role going forward really is to have no role in a pecking order. He can connect, and hopefully learn to play effectively offball with cuts and corner 3's, but I really honestly don't think you ever draw up a play for Barnes.

If you really do think that's his end game, we should trade him ASAP. I'll take it a step further: if this is what Scottie is going to be, we need to tear this thing down now and re-set.

Until he proves otherwise if we want to win thats just gonna be how it is. But yes having a max player that has no role on offense and is basically a worse Sixers Andre Igoudala is not exactly a good thing lmao

He is a little better than 76ers Iguodala, who used to have to play insane minutes to get his counting stats. People freak out about the wrong things here. Trying to build an offense around Scottie was a mistake and the Raptors already corrected. This is building with him.

[dballislife]

those two step back turn around long 2 fade away shots early in shot clock that barnes took this game really stuck with me...wtf is he doing taking those shots like hes a proven shooting scorer or something...but then again he cant go downhill and get to rim or hit 3s either

[ConSarnit]

The offensive philosophy is on Darko. I can't remember us running a single action to get Scottie a good shot last night. The offensive gameplan didn't seem to involve him in any way really.

What exactly is an action to get Scottie a good shot, though?

Anything mid range is 100% better suited for Ingram. Towards the rim is Barrett. From 3 is IQ.

Barnes just... doesn't have any positive scoring attributes.

TBH - his best offensive role going forward really is to have no role in a pecking order. He can connect, and hopefully learn to play effectively offball with cuts and corner 3's, but I really honestly don't think you ever draw up a play for Barnes.

I haven't seen the like play type data in awhile but from what I remember there is no play thats a bread and butter for Scottie. Hes not good as a PnR Ball Hanlder or Roller (doesn't even want to screen even lmao), he cant spot up, he doesnt cut, hes not good in transition. He just doesnt have a play type he can spam effectively against NBA defenses.

He has ok numbers as a roll man but his screening leaves a lot to be desired (in both volume and effectiveness). He shot ok between 10-14ft last season (who knows if that will hold up).

Here are his percentile breakdowns last year by scoring play-type:

ISO: 44th
Pnr ball handler: 45th
Transition: 22nd
Post up: 33rd
Spot up: 23rd
Cut: 29th
Hand-off: 21st

The “good” playtypes:

Pnr roll man: 59th (slightly above average)

Those numbers are terrible. They aren’t much better if you look at his other seasons either.

[YogurtProducer]

If you really do think that's his end game, we should trade him ASAP. I'll take it a step further: if this is what Scottie is going to be, we need to tear this thing down now and re-set.

Until he proves otherwise if we want to win thats just gonna be how it is. But yes having a max player that has no role on offense and is basically a worse Sixers Andre Igoudala is not exactly a good thing lmao

He is a little better than 76ers Iguodala, who used to have to play insane minutes to get his counting stats. People freak out about the wrong things here. Trying to build an offense around Scottie was a mistake and the Raptors already corrected. This is building with him.

Yeah I can agree with this. Scottie still has value, but his value is as a defence first menace who can do a little bit of everything offensively, but nothing very good. Let BI/IQ/RJ be the offence, have Barnes + Poeltl just blow up everything on the other end.

He just has to buy into that, but nothing has every suggested to me that Barnes is a guy who is going to sacrifice for the better of the team unfortunately. His best role is one in which he brings 100% defensive intensity every night, and is chipping in offensively on the boards, corner 3's, broken plays, etc.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

They should play him at C, Like Amare Stoudemire. Just dumb his role down as much as possible. Just dunks and lobs.

[ConSarnit]

If you really do think that's his end game, we should trade him ASAP. I'll take it a step further: if this is what Scottie is going to be, we need to tear this thing down now and re-set.

Until he proves otherwise if we want to win thats just gonna be how it is. But yes having a max player that has no role on offense and is basically a worse Sixers Andre Igoudala is not exactly a good thing lmao

He is a little better than 76ers Iguodala, who used to have to play insane minutes to get his counting stats. People freak out about the wrong things here. Trying to build an offense around Scottie was a mistake and the Raptors already corrected. This is building with him.

Building with him presents its own set of problems, especially considering his salary. If this is who he is on offense this year he’s a negative value player unless he makes an all-defense team.

[ConSarnit]

They should play him at C, Like Amare Stoudemire. Just dumb his role down as much as possible. Just dunks and lobs.

He’s shown no aptitude for that type of role. Amare is one of the greatest roll men in NBA history. Barnes doesn’t have athleticism or seemingly the desire to play that way. He also hasn’t shown the ability to anchor an entire defense yet either. That doesn’t even touch on the fact that we just re-signed Poeltl (who is far better in the Amare role than Barnes).

[C_Money]

It's year four and he's not added a singe thing to his game.

Year 5

[And1+2]

Didn't watch the game, don't care at all about anyone other than BI... How did he look?

[C_Money]

Didn't watch the game, don't care at all about anyone other than BI... How did he look?

He looked like the best player

[Tha Cynic]

Bad game from Barnes and Dick in a meaningless game. IQ was invisible. IMO Barnes needs to lose weight. His lumbering weight makes him less effective on offense. Dude is stumbling and falling and wants to play like a much lighter player.

Overall game is nothing like a regular season game would be. They were most likely focusing on getting Ingram integrated. Nice to see him attacking the basket a lot.

Good to see some basketball at all.

[DreamTeam09]

It's year four and he's not added a singe thing to his game.

Year 5

must be frustrating demanding and expending A+ outcomes in every aspect across all 82 + PRESEASONS from everyone across the board huh. How on earth will y'all survive