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Post#941 » by HeadtopChunes » Tue May 5, 2020 5:23 pm

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Your guy, Oturu also plays in packline D .


Wondering if players that play in that system have significantly lower steal totals than the average defense? :reporter:


It depends on how aggressive the coach wants it to be but generally a packline is more about positioning then generating turnovers, so it's pretty conservative by nature. You'd see suppressed STL and BLK numbers compared to zone or man defenses.
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Your guy, Oturu also plays in packline D .


Wondering if players that play in that system have significantly lower steal totals than the average defense? :reporter:


It depends on how aggressive the coach wants it to be but generally a packline is more about positioning then generating turnovers, so it's pretty conservative by nature. You'd see suppressed STL and BLK numbers compared to zone or man defenses.


It won Virginia a National championship. Seems like the Neutral Zone trap of the NJ Devils in the NHL.
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Post#943 » by Syd-TK3 » Tue May 5, 2020 7:07 pm

I really do like Tillman I just think drafting a center doesn't make much sense unless masai knows forsure he only plans on keeping 1 of Ibaka/Gasol especially considering we haven't even given Hernandez a chance and free agent centers are a lot easier to pick up then quality wings which we need more of to back up OG
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Post#944 » by HeadtopChunes » Tue May 5, 2020 10:58 pm

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Ya, I'd prefer a big since Marc and Ibaka are FA's.


If the following bigs are available, who do you draft:
Daniel Oturu
Reggie Perry
Carey Jr.
Jalen Smith
Isaiah Stewart

For me, Perry is the guy. I'm confident he'll be an all-star in the NBA. (if he gets traded by the Raptors :wink: )


I also like Perry could be a good mismatch player. (Too strong for most 4s, too skilled for most 5s)
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Post#945 » by LoveMyRaps » Tue May 5, 2020 11:10 pm

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Ya, I'd prefer a big since Marc and Ibaka are FA's.


If the following bigs are available, who do you draft:
Daniel Oturu
Reggie Perry
Carey Jr.
Jalen Smith
Isaiah Stewart

For me, Perry is the guy. I'm confident he'll be an all-star in the NBA. (if he gets traded by the Raptors :wink: )


edit : ''DRAFTED BY THE RAPTORS'' ****

what kinda typo was that :lol: :lol: excuse that
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Post#947 » by Sir-Swish-A-Lot » Wed May 6, 2020 12:15 am

LoveMyRaps wrote:
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Ya, I'd prefer a big since Marc and Ibaka are FA's.


If the following bigs are available, who do you draft:
Daniel Oturu
Reggie Perry
Carey Jr.
Jalen Smith
Isaiah Stewart

For me, Perry is the guy. I'm confident he'll be an all-star in the NBA. (if he gets drafted by the Raptors :wink: )

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Post#948 » by Indeed » Wed May 6, 2020 12:59 am

Syd-TK3 wrote:I really do like Tillman I just think drafting a center doesn't make much sense unless masai knows forsure he only plans on keeping 1 of Ibaka/Serge especially considering we haven't even given Hernandez a chance and free agent centers are a lot easier to pick up then quality wings which we need more of to back up OG


I don't think Hernandez is ready, and whoever we draft will not be ready to replace Gasol/Ibaka. Most likely we will address for missing stretch 5 from the FA. Getting a C would be for the long term, and we cannot evaluate if Hernandez can be against starter C. I probably prefer a long big C in the size of Lopez who can shoot the ball in case of matchup.
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Post#949 » by EJaggit » Wed May 6, 2020 1:49 am

I don’t know if this is thread worthy but this seems like something, raptors apparently are trying to trade up for Lamelo? Is that realistic? I don’t know if Masai and bobby would pull the trigger on something like that especially with our roster now......
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Post#950 » by LoveMyRaps » Wed May 6, 2020 2:25 am

EJaggit wrote:I don’t know if this is thread worthy but this seems like something, raptors apparently are trying to trade up for Lamelo? Is that realistic? I don’t know if Masai and bobby would pull the trigger on something like that especially with our roster now......


Yeah those rumors/tweets were shared in this thread.
As much as I'd love to have Melo, it's a pipedream. I don't see any realistic trade options that could land us a top 3 pick to acquire Melo.
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Post#951 » by Psubs » Wed May 6, 2020 3:30 am

EJaggit wrote:I don’t know if this is thread worthy but this seems like something, raptors apparently are trying to trade up for Lamelo? Is that realistic? I don’t know if Masai and bobby would pull the trigger on something like that especially with our roster now......


I think we'd have to see how well this team fairs in the playoffs without Kawhi.

Nurse may be the greatest coach since Phil Jackson / Tex Winter, who knows. If they repeat you go for the 3-peat. :nod:

If they lose to Milwaukee in the ECF, well that's a coin flip. If they lose to the 3/6, maybe think about re-tooling.
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Post#952 » by Indeed » Wed May 6, 2020 4:53 am

EJaggit wrote:I don’t know if this is thread worthy but this seems like something, raptors apparently are trying to trade up for Lamelo? Is that realistic? I don’t know if Masai and bobby would pull the trigger on something like that especially with our roster now......


It depends on what other teams are asking for. I don't think we are serious about trading up on a weak draft.
And many things can change before the draft combine, there maybe sleeper at the bottom, and it seems we have a history of drafting raw players (Siakam, OG, etc.). I believe we may draft for upside, even we trade up, it is unlikely to be Ball.
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Post#953 » by HeadtopChunes » Wed May 6, 2020 4:57 am

EJaggit wrote:I don’t know if this is thread worthy but this seems like something, raptors apparently are trying to trade up for Lamelo? Is that realistic? I don’t know if Masai and bobby would pull the trigger on something like that especially with our roster now......



i think that specific rumor is totally bogus but the idea of trading up isnt crazy imo

this might be the cheapest draft to move up in a while and Masai has shown he will try to trade up if he locks in on someone.

Might make sense from an asset consolidation point of view as well depending on what the future plan is
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Post#954 » by Syd-TK3 » Wed May 6, 2020 7:36 pm

Indeed wrote:
Syd-TK3 wrote:I really do like Tillman I just think drafting a center doesn't make much sense unless masai knows forsure he only plans on keeping 1 of Ibaka/Serge especially considering we haven't even given Hernandez a chance and free agent centers are a lot easier to pick up then quality wings which we need more of to back up OG


I don't think Hernandez is ready, and whoever we draft will not be ready to replace Gasol/Ibaka. Most likely we will address for missing stretch 5 from the FA. Getting a C would be for the long term, and we cannot evaluate if Hernandez can be against starter C. I probably prefer a long big C in the size of Lopez who can shoot the ball in case of matchup.

Realistically no player will be able to replace what they do and even the free agent list is small, ibaka/Gasol is one of the best center rotations in the league and both are starters. I just think we have a better history of acquiring Centers through other means whereas sf/big wings we usually have to draft.
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Post#955 » by Sir-Swish-A-Lot » Wed May 6, 2020 7:55 pm

The latest CBS Mock Draft https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2020-nba-mock-draft-lamelo-ball-goes-no-1-to-warriors-james-wiseman-slips-to-hornets-at-no-8/live/ has F 6'10 Jaden McDaniels (Washington) falling to 29th (Lakers).

If he's available at #28 he's a no brainer pick for Masai. Top 5 talent in this draft. A mix of Brandon Ingram and Jonathan Isaac with the potential to be a KD like type of player.

The elite skill level is there just needs to hit the weight room and get stronger ala Giannis Antetokounmpo who was a skinny as a bean pole when he came into the NBA.



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Post#956 » by Indeed » Wed May 6, 2020 9:26 pm

Syd-TK3 wrote:
Indeed wrote:
Syd-TK3 wrote:I really do like Tillman I just think drafting a center doesn't make much sense unless masai knows forsure he only plans on keeping 1 of Ibaka/Serge especially considering we haven't even given Hernandez a chance and free agent centers are a lot easier to pick up then quality wings which we need more of to back up OG


I don't think Hernandez is ready, and whoever we draft will not be ready to replace Gasol/Ibaka. Most likely we will address for missing stretch 5 from the FA. Getting a C would be for the long term, and we cannot evaluate if Hernandez can be against starter C. I probably prefer a long big C in the size of Lopez who can shoot the ball in case of matchup.

Realistically no player will be able to replace what they do and even the free agent list is small, ibaka/Gasol is one of the best center rotations in the league and both are starters. I just think we have a better history of acquiring Centers through other means whereas sf/big wings we usually have to draft.


First, we are unlikely to keep all VanVleet, Ibaka and Gasol all 3. There is no reason for the Gasol to take a big pay cut, or Ibaka to not consider a long term contract, while VanVleet maybe we can offer something close to keep him. Therefore, we might acquire someone instead, but definitely the FA markets are backup Cs, which is a big down grade.

Meanwhile, to acquire an update, we need to have someone decent at that position, plus more assets. For example, Gasol was a top 5 C, and we trade Valanciunas who would be top 15 - 20 C (starter quality). Therefore, we may still need to draft a decent C for upgrade, unless we can upgrade through FA, but we are unlikely to fight against big market teams.

I wouldn't rule out getting a C, someone like Azubuike (ironically it is on NBADraft.net, which I find other sites having better scouting reports).
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Post#957 » by BoyzNTheHood » Wed May 6, 2020 9:57 pm

Sir-Swish-A-Lot wrote:The latest CBS Mock Draft https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2020-nba-mock-draft-lamelo-ball-goes-no-1-to-warriors-james-wiseman-slips-to-hornets-at-no-8/live/ has F 6'10 Jaden McDaniels (Washington) falling to 29th (Lakers).

If he's available at #28 he's a no brainer pick for Masai. Top 5 talent in this draft.


This is the first thing you've said that I agree with. He won't fall, but if he does it's a no brainer.
deeps6x wrote:I guarantee you that (Jaylen) Brown and (Kris) Dunn are drafted OUT of the top 5.
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Post#958 » by BoyzNTheHood » Wed May 6, 2020 9:59 pm

What a beast. Someone mentioned him earlier, but this kid is solid af. He reminds me of Desmond Bane in that they just get the job done. Neither will be a star, but both will carve out long careers in the pros barring injury.

deeps6x wrote:I guarantee you that (Jaylen) Brown and (Kris) Dunn are drafted OUT of the top 5.
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Post#959 » by Psubs » Wed May 6, 2020 10:46 pm

BoyzNTheHood wrote:
Sir-Swish-A-Lot wrote:The latest CBS Mock Draft https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2020-nba-mock-draft-lamelo-ball-goes-no-1-to-warriors-james-wiseman-slips-to-hornets-at-no-8/live/ has F 6'10 Jaden McDaniels (Washington) falling to 29th (Lakers).

If he's available at #28 he's a no brainer pick for Masai. Top 5 talent in this draft.


This is the first thing you've said that I agree with. He won't fall, but if he does it's a no brainer.


Ya, even i he's 80% as good as Brandon Ingram or Isaac, he's a no brainer at #28. Let's hope he can't bench and runs the drills slow. :nod:
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Post#960 » by Psubs » Wed May 6, 2020 10:55 pm

BoyzNTheHood wrote:What a beast. Someone mentioned him earlier, but this kid is solid af. He reminds me of Desmond Bane in that they just get the job done. Neither will be a star, but both will carve out long careers in the pros barring injury.



Looks like a longer PJ Tucker.

He should stay an extra year. How do we stay away from Stanley Johnsons?

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