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Re: [Stein] Dallas Has Tried To Trade For Goran Dragic But Toronto Has Resisted 

Post#941 » by aligator » Sat Sep 4, 2021 12:04 am

A buyout or not has nothing to do with cap space. It has to do with the luxury tax and what you can or can't do under or over the tax.
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Post#942 » by Pointgod » Sat Sep 4, 2021 1:04 am

planetmars wrote:
mademan wrote:
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No you have it wrong. If for example $10M of his Dragic's contract is bought out, then the Raptors are on the hook for the rest, so $9.4M. The remaining $10M is given back to the team.

I had this wrong too earlier in the summer, but was corrected by Dan Hackett.

Read this here:
https://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/nba-contract-buyout-faq-key-dates-salary-cap-impacts/

It gives an example using Wade's contract with the Bulls. He gave back $8M, and the Bulls were on the hook for $15M, but their cap got reduced by that much.


bro, there is no ambiguity to this. You guys are wrong. This is the Pistons cap sheet

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/DET.html

Even with Blake Griffin giving back 8 figures in a buy out, which is borderline unprecedented, his original contract still counts against the Pistons.

All a buy out does is save ownership some relative pocket change. It does not affect the cap sheet


Don't know why you are using basketball reference.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/brooklyn-nets/blake-griffin-6501/

2020: Original cap $36,810,996 (gave back $4,140,431)
2021: Original cap $38,957,028 (gave back $9,192,902)


So the Pistons cap went from $36.8M to $32.5M in 2020. And then from $39M to $29M in 2021. So the Pistons saved money here.


Let’s clear up this buyout talk. The team is still on the hook for the players guaranteed salary in a buyout. It’s pretty unambiguous in the CBA FAQ.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q66

Any guaranteed salary still owed to the player as the result of a buyout continues to be included in team salary, just as with any waived player. See question number 65 for details.


Guaranteed salary must be paid even if the player is released, and continues to be included in team salary after the player is waived. For example, if a player is waived with $10 million in guaranteed base salary remaining on his contract, then that $10 million will continue to be included in team salary. If a player is waived partly through a season, then the portion of team salary that is charged to the cap for that season reflects either the guarantee or the salary that was actually paid, whichever is greater.


Buyouts only really save teams money. The stretch provision creates cap space because the remaining length of the contract is split over the number of years times two plus one. If we were to buyout Dragic we’d still be on the hook for 19 million if we stretched him we’d split that 19 million evenly over 3 years but it becomes dead cap space.
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Re: [Stein] Dallas Has Tried To Trade For Goran Dragic But Toronto Has Resisted 

Post#943 » by tecumseh18 » Sat Sep 4, 2021 11:50 am

Pointgod wrote:
planetmars wrote:
mademan wrote:
bro, there is no ambiguity to this. You guys are wrong. This is the Pistons cap sheet

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/DET.html

Even with Blake Griffin giving back 8 figures in a buy out, which is borderline unprecedented, his original contract still counts against the Pistons.

All a buy out does is save ownership some relative pocket change. It does not affect the cap sheet


Don't know why you are using basketball reference.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/brooklyn-nets/blake-griffin-6501/

2020: Original cap $36,810,996 (gave back $4,140,431)
2021: Original cap $38,957,028 (gave back $9,192,902)


So the Pistons cap went from $36.8M to $32.5M in 2020. And then from $39M to $29M in 2021. So the Pistons saved money here.


Let’s clear up this buyout talk. The team is still on the hook for the players guaranteed salary in a buyout. It’s pretty unambiguous in the CBA FAQ.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q66

Any guaranteed salary still owed to the player as the result of a buyout continues to be included in team salary, just as with any waived player. See question number 65 for details.


Guaranteed salary must be paid even if the player is released, and continues to be included in team salary after the player is waived. For example, if a player is waived with $10 million in guaranteed base salary remaining on his contract, then that $10 million will continue to be included in team salary. If a player is waived partly through a season, then the portion of team salary that is charged to the cap for that season reflects either the guarantee or the salary that was actually paid, whichever is greater.


Buyouts only really save teams money. The stretch provision creates cap space because the remaining length of the contract is split over the number of years times two plus one. If we were to buyout Dragic we’d still be on the hook for 19 million if we stretched him we’d split that 19 million evenly over 3 years but it becomes dead cap space.


The entire point of a buyout is to reduce the "guaranteed salary" to be given to a players. The player is agreeing to take less money in exchange for the freedom to go to another team. Why would a team do a buyout if it didn't reduce the guaranteed salary? And that guaranteed salary actually paid out is the ONLY thing that matters after the last game of the season, when the team's total salary payout for the year - and tax liability - is calculated.
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Re: [Stein] Dallas Has Tried To Trade For Goran Dragic But Toronto Has Resisted 

Post#944 » by bboyskinnylegs » Sat Sep 4, 2021 1:44 pm

while a buyout is within the realm of possibility, unless Dragic is willing to give up a major portion of his salary, I don't see us entertaining it until we get close to the trade deadline. If you wait till then, you'll at least be able to see what some desperate playoff/play-in teams are willing to offer. Giving him a favourable buyout now doesn't help us in any way.
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Post#945 » by Pointgod » Sat Sep 4, 2021 2:17 pm

tecumseh18 wrote:
Pointgod wrote:
planetmars wrote:
Don't know why you are using basketball reference.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/brooklyn-nets/blake-griffin-6501/



So the Pistons cap went from $36.8M to $32.5M in 2020. And then from $39M to $29M in 2021. So the Pistons saved money here.


Let’s clear up this buyout talk. The team is still on the hook for the players guaranteed salary in a buyout. It’s pretty unambiguous in the CBA FAQ.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q66

Any guaranteed salary still owed to the player as the result of a buyout continues to be included in team salary, just as with any waived player. See question number 65 for details.


Guaranteed salary must be paid even if the player is released, and continues to be included in team salary after the player is waived. For example, if a player is waived with $10 million in guaranteed base salary remaining on his contract, then that $10 million will continue to be included in team salary. If a player is waived partly through a season, then the portion of team salary that is charged to the cap for that season reflects either the guarantee or the salary that was actually paid, whichever is greater.


Buyouts only really save teams money. The stretch provision creates cap space because the remaining length of the contract is split over the number of years times two plus one. If we were to buyout Dragic we’d still be on the hook for 19 million if we stretched him we’d split that 19 million evenly over 3 years but it becomes dead cap space.


The entire point of a buyout is to reduce the "guaranteed salary" to be given to a players. The player is agreeing to take less money in exchange for the freedom to go to another team. Why would a team do a buyout if it didn't reduce the guaranteed salary? And that guaranteed salary actually paid out is the ONLY thing that matters after the last game of the season, when the team's total salary payout for the year - and tax liability - is calculated.


Yes a buyout reduces the salary paid out by the team but it doesn’t reduce the cap hit on the team salary. It seems for luxury tax purposes the amount actually paid out is used to calculate the taxes owed, but it makes more sense to wait until the deadline where we can move him or buy him out post deadline.

So in short buy outs don’t affect the cap, but they do affect the total salaries paid which is used for the luxury tax calculation.
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Post#946 » by navyblue » Sat Sep 4, 2021 2:23 pm

Pointgod wrote:
Yes a buyout reduces the salary paid out by the team but it doesn’t reduce the cap hit on the team salary. It seems for luxury tax purposes the amount actually paid out is used to calculate the taxes owed, but it makes more sense to wait until the deadline where we can move him or buy him out post deadline.

So in short buy outs don’t affect the cap, but they do affect the total salaries paid which is used for the luxury tax calculation.

buyouts do affect the cap, the buyout number is the new cap number.

take rondo for example, had 7.5 mil contract, agreed to buytout for 5 mil, the new cap number on the grizzlies cap book is 5 mil.
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Post#947 » by Pointgod » Sat Sep 4, 2021 2:26 pm

navyblue wrote:
Pointgod wrote:
Yes a buyout reduces the salary paid out by the team but it doesn’t reduce the cap hit on the team salary. It seems for luxury tax purposes the amount actually paid out is used to calculate the taxes owed, but it makes more sense to wait until the deadline where we can move him or buy him out post deadline.

So in short buy outs don’t affect the cap, but they do affect the total salaries paid which is used for the luxury tax calculation.

buyouts do affect the cap, the buyout number is the new cap number.


No it’s not. The only amount that matters is the guaranteed amount. It’s clear in the CBA fact. Buyouts save the team money, build good will and incentivizes the player to give back money to hit free agency.
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Post#948 » by navyblue » Sat Sep 4, 2021 2:27 pm

Pointgod wrote:
navyblue wrote:
Pointgod wrote:
Yes a buyout reduces the salary paid out by the team but it doesn’t reduce the cap hit on the team salary. It seems for luxury tax purposes the amount actually paid out is used to calculate the taxes owed, but it makes more sense to wait until the deadline where we can move him or buy him out post deadline.

So in short buy outs don’t affect the cap, but they do affect the total salaries paid which is used for the luxury tax calculation.

buyouts do affect the cap, the buyout number is the new cap number.


No it’s not. The only amount that matters is the guaranteed amount. It’s clear in the CBA fact. Buyouts save the team money, build good will and incentivizes the player to give back money to hit free agency.

i just ediited my post with example, go look at rondo, bought out 7.5 mil contract for 5 mil, now only counts as 5 mil towards the grizllies cap number.

the cba says the guranteed number stays on the book, but the purpose of the buyout is to reduce the guarantee number.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q67
Any guaranteed salary still owed to the player as the result of a buyout continues to be included in team salary

there has never been 2 lists of salary for teams, tax purpose and cap purpose as you imply
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Post#949 » by Johnny Bball » Sat Sep 4, 2021 2:45 pm

navyblue wrote:
Pointgod wrote:
navyblue wrote:buyouts do affect the cap, the buyout number is the new cap number.


No it’s not. The only amount that matters is the guaranteed amount. It’s clear in the CBA fact. Buyouts save the team money, build good will and incentivizes the player to give back money to hit free agency.

i just ediited my post with example, go look at rondo, bought out 7.5 mil contract for 5 mil, now only counts as 5 mil towards the grizllies cap number.

the cba says the guranteed number stays on the book, but the purpose of the buyout is to reduce the guarantee number.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q67
Any guaranteed salary still owed to the player as the result of a buyout continues to be included in team salary


My understanding has always been the cap hit never changes except for the new value the player signs for (almost always the minimum) comes off the cap hit if he was waived, I think but not sure the new contract is deducted. If he's bought out, my understanding is the new amount was cash only difference and no other change to the cap hit.

Griffins cap hit was still a prorated portion (700k salary on the nets, 2.9-ish over the whole year). He apparently took a 13 million dollar hit to be bought out.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/03/07/blake-griffin-clears-waivers-reportedly-agrees-to-deal-with-brooklyn/

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/DET.html
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Post#950 » by Pointgod » Sat Sep 4, 2021 2:59 pm

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navyblue wrote:
Pointgod wrote:
No it’s not. The only amount that matters is the guaranteed amount. It’s clear in the CBA fact. Buyouts save the team money, build good will and incentivizes the player to give back money to hit free agency.

i just ediited my post with example, go look at rondo, bought out 7.5 mil contract for 5 mil, now only counts as 5 mil towards the grizllies cap number.

the cba says the guranteed number stays on the book, but the purpose of the buyout is to reduce the guarantee number.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q67
Any guaranteed salary still owed to the player as the result of a buyout continues to be included in team salary


My understanding has always been the cap hit never changes except for the new value the player signs for (almost always the minimum) comes off the cap hit if he was waived, I think but not sure the new contract is deducted. If he's bought out, my understanding is the new amount was cash only difference and no other change to the cap hit.

Griffins cap hit was still a prorated portion (700k salary on the nets, 2.9-ish over the whole year). He apparently took a 13 million dollar hit to be bought out.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/03/07/blake-griffin-clears-waivers-reportedly-agrees-to-deal-with-brooklyn/

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/DET.html


It’s pretty confusing because the CBA FAQ isn’t completely clear but here’s the most straight forward example I’ve seen. So I guess it depends on when the player is bought out and how much salary has already been paid.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/02/hoops-rumors-glossary-buyouts.html

For a player who isn’t in the final year of his contract, the calculations are a little more complicated, and depend on when exactly the buyout is completed.

For instance, Jamal Crawford agreed to a buyout with the Hawks back in July. At the time, he had $17,246,988 in guaranteed money left on his contract – $14,246,988 for 2017/18 and a partial guarantee of $3MM for 2018/19. Crawford agreed to give up $4MM, which was about 23.2% of his overall guarantee. That meant reducing each season’s cap hit by 23.2%, which left Atlanta with charges of $10,942,762 for this season and $2,304,226 for next season.

That prorated formula applied in Crawford’s case because he hadn’t been paid any of his salary for 2017/18. However, the NBA doesn’t use that same formula for a player who is bought out later in the league year.

In 2015/16, for example, Andrea Bargnani agreed to a buyout with the Nets after the trade deadline. At the time, he had a cap hit of $1,362,897 for ’15/16, with a $1,551,659 player option for 2016/17. Bargnani gave up his full ’16/17 option salary as part of his buyout, resulting in respective cap charges of $1,039,298 and $323,599.
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Post#951 » by OAKLEY_2 » Sat Sep 4, 2021 4:34 pm

bboyskinnylegs wrote:while a buyout is within the realm of possibility, unless Dragic is willing to give up a major portion of his salary, I don't see us entertaining it until we get close to the trade deadline. If you wait till then, you'll at least be able to see what some desperate playoff/play-in teams are willing to offer. Giving him a favourable buyout now doesn't help us in any way.


There is a way around all this. It serves three possible outcomes. One - we don't take Mavs older no fit filler. Two - we are rejected which means trade deadline or next offseason this gets sorted. Or, three - the third team in the equation hangs up on us but if you don't ask you don't get.

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Post#952 » by Ranger One » Sat Sep 4, 2021 4:40 pm

Man, that thread on the General Board about Goran getting bought out has turned into a toxic flame war. Its hilarious how every non raptor poster in that thread is just vilifying the raptors organization because they dont want to eat Goran's 20 mil salary and just give him to the Mavs for free so he can play with this butt buddy Donic. Like how DARE the raptors keep this poor guy in Canada AGAINST HIS WILL! lmao.
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Post#953 » by Ackshun » Sat Sep 4, 2021 4:42 pm

Pointgod wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:
navyblue wrote:i just ediited my post with example, go look at rondo, bought out 7.5 mil contract for 5 mil, now only counts as 5 mil towards the grizllies cap number.

the cba says the guranteed number stays on the book, but the purpose of the buyout is to reduce the guarantee number.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q67
Any guaranteed salary still owed to the player as the result of a buyout continues to be included in team salary


My understanding has always been the cap hit never changes except for the new value the player signs for (almost always the minimum) comes off the cap hit if he was waived, I think but not sure the new contract is deducted. If he's bought out, my understanding is the new amount was cash only difference and no other change to the cap hit.

Griffins cap hit was still a prorated portion (700k salary on the nets, 2.9-ish over the whole year). He apparently took a 13 million dollar hit to be bought out.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/03/07/blake-griffin-clears-waivers-reportedly-agrees-to-deal-with-brooklyn/

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/DET.html


It’s pretty confusing because the CBA FAQ isn’t completely clear but here’s the most straight forward example I’ve seen. So I guess it depends on when the player is bought out and how much salary has already been paid.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/02/hoops-rumors-glossary-buyouts.html

For a player who isn’t in the final year of his contract, the calculations are a little more complicated, and depend on when exactly the buyout is completed.

For instance, Jamal Crawford agreed to a buyout with the Hawks back in July. At the time, he had $17,246,988 in guaranteed money left on his contract – $14,246,988 for 2017/18 and a partial guarantee of $3MM for 2018/19. Crawford agreed to give up $4MM, which was about 23.2% of his overall guarantee. That meant reducing each season’s cap hit by 23.2%, which left Atlanta with charges of $10,942,762 for this season and $2,304,226 for next season.

That prorated formula applied in Crawford’s case because he hadn’t been paid any of his salary for 2017/18. However, the NBA doesn’t use that same formula for a player who is bought out later in the league year.

In 2015/16, for example, Andrea Bargnani agreed to a buyout with the Nets after the trade deadline. At the time, he had a cap hit of $1,362,897 for ’15/16, with a $1,551,659 player option for 2016/17. Bargnani gave up his full ’16/17 option salary as part of his buyout, resulting in respective cap charges of $1,039,298 and $323,599.


Hold up.

Bargs gave up his entire player option year with the Nets? That ended up being his last season in the league. He really didn't like basketball eh
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Post#954 » by Kinger95 » Sat Sep 4, 2021 4:54 pm

There’s a really good chance that at least 2-4 teams are gonna have an injury to a lead guard and someone like goran could be a huge upgrade over what they have on the bench.
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Post#955 » by Johnny Bball » Sat Sep 4, 2021 5:06 pm

Kinger95 wrote:There’s a really good chance that at least 2-4 teams are gonna have an injury to a lead guard and someone like goran could be a huge upgrade over what they have on the bench.


Pretty much this. Dallas might be one team interested but another contender gets an injury aND steps up and Dragic might want to ring chase instead.
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Post#956 » by planetmars » Sat Sep 4, 2021 5:51 pm

Pointgod wrote:
tecumseh18 wrote:
Pointgod wrote:
Let’s clear up this buyout talk. The team is still on the hook for the players guaranteed salary in a buyout. It’s pretty unambiguous in the CBA FAQ.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q66





Buyouts only really save teams money. The stretch provision creates cap space because the remaining length of the contract is split over the number of years times two plus one. If we were to buyout Dragic we’d still be on the hook for 19 million if we stretched him we’d split that 19 million evenly over 3 years but it becomes dead cap space.


The entire point of a buyout is to reduce the "guaranteed salary" to be given to a players. The player is agreeing to take less money in exchange for the freedom to go to another team. Why would a team do a buyout if it didn't reduce the guaranteed salary? And that guaranteed salary actually paid out is the ONLY thing that matters after the last game of the season, when the team's total salary payout for the year - and tax liability - is calculated.


Yes a buyout reduces the salary paid out by the team but it doesn’t reduce the cap hit on the team salary. It seems for luxury tax purposes the amount actually paid out is used to calculate the taxes owed, but it makes more sense to wait until the deadline where we can move him or buy him out post deadline.

So in short buy outs don’t affect the cap, but they do affect the total salaries paid which is used for the luxury tax calculation.


The CBA faq for some reason is misleading. But by "guaranteed salary" they mean the portion that was not used to buy out the player. But yes, it does affect the cap.

Just look at some contracts that got bought out. navyblue mentioned Rondo. I used Griffin as an example a few post above yours. The salary table is adjusted accordingly, and that's not just money to save from tax. That's actual money adjusted on the cap sheet.

The amnesty stretch provision that you mentioned earlier is different. That's an amnesty clause that teams can use without the player's permission. There is no contractual buyout there. Just like in a trade, a team can waive a player completely, without the player's consent, and save money on their cap sheet by spreading out the guaranteed amount in 2x the length of the contract + 1 year.

Some players don't want to take a pay cut (like Love in Cleveland). And if they want some cap space back, they can stretch him out if they want to. But that's still a big hit since it will be stretched out over 5 years since he has 2 years remaining still.

Most buyouts occur at the end of the season, and those are usually minimal buyouts so that these vet players can join a playoff team and try to win a chip. The ones that are given early in the year are usually larger in nature so that the incumbent team gets some good cap relief by giving the player a chance to join whatever team they want. Raptors could stretch out Dragic as well, but they can keep him and still be below the tax. They just can't fill out all 15 roster spots though. That's a minor inconvenience to mess their cap up for 2 additional years though if they stretched him.

The only way I do a buyout is if Dragic gives us enough to allow us to use the TPE (about $4.8M) and have enough to fill out 15 roster spots if we want to, without going over the tax. I don't know what that magic number is, but it's probably around $6M. Otherwise he can rot like Iggy did in Memphis that one season (assuming he doesn't want to play in Toronto).
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Post#957 » by OAKLEY_2 » Sun Sep 5, 2021 2:27 am

kalel123 wrote:I don't know where all this buyout talk came from but to entertain one at this juncture would be downright foolish for a player we can use ourselves if worse comes to worst. Can't believe there are even people who's trying to talk themselves into thinking this is not only ok but is actually a better way. I've supported most of the moves so far but would be against this one if made. All this talk about luxury tax this and luxury tax that is BS. There's no amount of money that he would logically forgo that we could use to get a player of actual worth under the tax. Any two-bit player we could get using that insignificant amount of money has been gotten already. It's time to weed some of 'em out rather than going out to get some more.

In fact, teams may try to call our bluff but you have to go the opposite way almost and be prepared to go all the way with him to the end of the season to ensure you have a leg up on trade negotiations so they won't get the idea that they can just get him off waivers after buyout.


Add to the fact I really do not think it is Masai's style to stretch a really decent rotation player so a contender gets him on the cheap. It would be like being an enabler for a league of super teams so they can go bargain shopping. He is not going to facilitate that. Three team trade or playing him is slightly more plausible. Plus, if we buy him out now he has twisted in the wind all Summer and oh geez Dragic, almost forgot, why don't we buy him out Bobby? Good idea Masai! Never thought of that until now.
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Post#958 » by OAKLEY_2 » Sun Sep 5, 2021 2:44 am

Kinger95 wrote:There’s a really good chance that at least 2-4 teams are gonna have an injury to a lead guard and someone like goran could be a huge upgrade over what they have on the bench.


Here is what Dragic can do for the Raps. 1. Help Raps young brigade make the playoffs. 2. Be dealt with Chris Boucher or in separate trade as deadline playoff reinforcements for contenders at Masai's price.
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Post#959 » by Raps1103 » Sun Sep 5, 2021 2:50 am

Johnny Bball wrote:
Kinger95 wrote:There’s a really good chance that at least 2-4 teams are gonna have an injury to a lead guard and someone like goran could be a huge upgrade over what they have on the bench.


Pretty much this. Dallas might be one team interested but another contender gets an injury aND steps up and Dragic might want to ring chase instead.



I don’t think matters one iota, what Dragic wants or doesn’t want … he’s under contract.. and we’ll go to a fringe playoff team, if that’s where we can get the best return … I for one have no interest in helping him go where he wants, after publicly announcing he doesn’t want to play here
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Re: [Stein] Dallas Has Tried To Trade For Goran Dragic But Toronto Has Resisted 

Post#960 » by mihaic » Sun Sep 5, 2021 3:23 am

Wouldn't Dragic make sense for the 76ers?

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