Official Scottie Barnes Thread 3

[CANsportsguru]

Why would we be unsettled by having the face of the league in a Raptors uniform?

Really? It comes down to economics. With that kind of notoriety comes big endorsement deals which nowadays can match or exceed a player's contract. Those companies want those type of players in US markets preferably big US markets. Yes, yes but he could have a whole country behind him ... The whole country is roughly the size of California in terms of population. It's not the same. Just the media coverage alone from being State side is huge. I think it was Stephen A Smith was asked why he doesn't ever mention the Raptors and he said frankly he doesn't get paid too and that was during our championship run. Obviously this this is a few years down the road yet but something to keep an eye on.

Ok, now name me the star player who played for us that grew his brand and benefited greatly by moving back to the US? The only guy is T-Mac and he wasn't even a star when he left here, he had been playing in Vince's shadow.

Stoudamire? Star with the Raptors. Irrelevant everywhere else.

Vince Carter? Superstar with the Raptors. Still relevant afterwards, but I don't see people wearing Carter Nets jerseys.

Bosh? Star with the Raptors. Became a glorified role player in Miami.

Kawhi? Superstar with the Raptors, drawing comparisons to Michael Jordan. Still a superstar with the Clippers, but in my opinion, way less visible than when he was with us.

Stop drinking the American media Kool Aid.

Vince was still hugely popular at least for his first 2 years with the Nets. T-Mac self-explanatory. Bosh definitely got more recognition being stateside but also playing next to LBJ helps. Kawhi was a Superstar before coming here and is just as much afterwards (the Clippers are second fiddle in that city and that doesn't change no matter who is playing there). The rest mentioned are irrelevant.

I travel to and from the States quite often so I see the media coverage down here it's different but when you compare 332m to 38m it's going to be. It's something the Raptors are always going to have to deal with. The NBA is a marketing and star driven League where the other major sports are more team-oriented.

Who knows maybe Scottie pulls a Giannis and and says f it and reups when he's eligible.

[Reeko]

Really? It comes down to economics. With that kind of notoriety comes big endorsement deals which nowadays can match or exceed a player's contract. Those companies want those type of players in US markets preferably big US markets. Yes, yes but he could have a whole country behind him ... The whole country is roughly the size of California in terms of population. It's not the same. Just the media coverage alone from being State side is huge. I think it was Stephen A Smith was asked why he doesn't ever mention the Raptors and he said frankly he doesn't get paid too and that was during our championship run. Obviously this this is a few years down the road yet but something to keep an eye on.

Ok, now name me the star player who played for us that grew his brand and benefited greatly by moving back to the US? The only guy is T-Mac and he wasn't even a star when he left here, he had been playing in Vince's shadow.

Stoudamire? Star with the Raptors. Irrelevant everywhere else.

Vince Carter? Superstar with the Raptors. Still relevant afterwards, but I don't see people wearing Carter Nets jerseys.

Bosh? Star with the Raptors. Became a glorified role player in Miami.

Kawhi? Superstar with the Raptors, drawing comparisons to Michael Jordan. Still a superstar with the Clippers, but in my opinion, way less visible than when he was with us.

Stop drinking the American media Kool Aid.

Vince was still hugely popular at least for his first 2 years with the Nets. T-Mac self-explanatory. Bosh definitely got more recognition being stateside but also playing next to LBJ helps. Kawhi was a Superstar before coming here and is just as much afterwards (the Clippers are second fiddle in that city and that doesn't change no matter who is playing there). The rest mentioned are irrelevant.

I travel to and from the States quite often so I see the media coverage down here it's different but when you compare 332m to 38m it's going to be. It's something the Raptors are always going to have to deal with. The NBA is a marketing and star driven League where the other major sports are more team-oriented.

Who knows maybe Scottie pulls a Giannis and and says f it and reups when he's eligible.

Yeah, I'm sorry but you're tripping. Vince never came close to the same level of popularity with the Nets, you can say he was popular but he definitely didn't become MORE popular in New Jersey.

Bosh became more recognizable, but as a punchline. People were calling the Heat trio the big 2 and a half. He was more visible because he was on a winning team with LeBron and Wade, it had little to do with him being stateside. He was never a bigger star than when he was with us.

My point about Kawhi stands. He became an afterthought with the Clippers, and only served as a foible to LeBron in the battle for LA which ended with a whimper.

You can be the most popular player in the NBA playing in Toronto, Vince proved that.

[LoveMyRaps]

I love how close Nurse and Scottie are.

[HumbleRen]

Been watching a lot of Scottie highlights over this last week, I really hope he’s working on his separation skills.

Playing bully ball works when your third or 2nd option but he’s gonna need a bigger bag when teams start to double him. Handles and foot work need to be on point !

[Raps in 4]

https://www.instagram.com/tv/Cf5for_gmMZ/?igshid=YzAyZWRlMzg=

But why only 12 or 13 years?

He no stay?

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[Madhouse]

I love how close Nurse and Scottie are.

but are they close enough?

Jerry West is already tampering.

[Scottie4Bro]

Barnes will explode for 20/8/5 on 48%/34%/80% splits next season.

[isyed]

Barnes will explode for 20/8/5 on 48%/34%/80% splits next season.

I'm more bullish

23/10/6 50%/35%/80%
MIP and some MVP votes and some DPY votes as well.

[Purple+Black]

Barnes will explode for 20/8/5 on 48%/34%/80% splits next season.

Fair expectation - I’ll go with 20/7/4 with 1.5 steals 1 block and 47%/34%/78%

Then in his 3rd season 23/8/6 with 2 steals, 1 block and 49%/36%/80% - ASG, MVP votes and in contention for DPOY

While we’re at it, 4th season prediction at: 25/10/8 with 2 steals, 1.5 blocks with same percentages as y3, earns max deal, 2nd ASG selection, wins DPOY and in contention for MVP.

For all the KD stans out there, note that this looks quite different with KD here even in the scenario where we get him for GTJ/OG. I’m happy with the core we have, Scottie’s development over the drama KD might bring with him.

[Tacoma]

Ok, now name me the star player who played for us that grew his brand and benefited greatly by moving back to the US? The only guy is T-Mac and he wasn't even a star when he left here, he had been playing in Vince's shadow.

Stoudamire? Star with the Raptors. Irrelevant everywhere else.

Vince Carter? Superstar with the Raptors. Still relevant afterwards, but I don't see people wearing Carter Nets jerseys.

Bosh? Star with the Raptors. Became a glorified role player in Miami.

Kawhi? Superstar with the Raptors, drawing comparisons to Michael Jordan. Still a superstar with the Clippers, but in my opinion, way less visible than when he was with us.

Stop drinking the American media Kool Aid.

Vince was still hugely popular at least for his first 2 years with the Nets. T-Mac self-explanatory. Bosh definitely got more recognition being stateside but also playing next to LBJ helps. Kawhi was a Superstar before coming here and is just as much afterwards (the Clippers are second fiddle in that city and that doesn't change no matter who is playing there). The rest mentioned are irrelevant.

I travel to and from the States quite often so I see the media coverage down here it's different but when you compare 332m to 38m it's going to be. It's something the Raptors are always going to have to deal with. The NBA is a marketing and star driven League where the other major sports are more team-oriented.

Who knows maybe Scottie pulls a Giannis and and says f it and reups when he's eligible.

Yeah, I'm sorry but you're tripping. Vince never came close to the same level of popularity with the Nets, you can say he was popular but he definitely didn't become MORE popular in New Jersey. He has a chance.

Bosh became more recognizable, but as a punchline. People were calling the Heat trio the big 2 and a half. He was more visible because he was on a winning team with LeBron and Wade, it had little to do with him being stateside. He was never a bigger star than when he was with us.

My point about Kawhi stands. He became an afterthought with the Clippers, and only served as a foible to LeBron in the battle for LA which ended with a whimper.

You can be the most popular player in the NBA playing in Toronto, Vince proved that.

I'll just add that Vinsanity was immense in the US. ESPN had a weekly highlight reel on Vince. The NBA Store in Manhattan when I visited then not far from where the NYK played, had a Vince Jersey showcased @front. The Raptors had one of the highest road attendance with Vince. He could not have been more popular if he were anyplace else except maybe LA or NY.

He was arguably (especially by Nets fans) a better player in New Jersey but he was most popular while in Toronto. Barnes is not nearly as flashy as Vince but he has this Magic Johnson vibe that the media love and attract fans. He has a chance.

[Reeko]

Barnes will explode for 20/8/5 on 48%/34%/80% splits next season.

I'm more bullish

23/10/6 50%/35%/80%
MIP and some MVP votes and some DPY votes as well.

I'm even more bullish.

27/12/8 on 53/38/85 splits

League MVP, DPOY, and FMVP.

[DG88]

Barnes will explode for 20/8/5 on 48%/34%/80% splits next season.

I'm more bullish

23/10/6 50%/35%/80%
MIP and some MVP votes and some DPY votes as well.

I'm even more bullish.

27/12/8 on 53/38/85 splits

League MVP, DPOY, and FMVP.

I know this is all in good fun but made me wonder how much better he's going to be next year. We've already heard from Nurse that the shot looks better. Obviously we'll have to see it translate in game but looking at his post All Star break split and project he could easily hit the 20ppg mark quite easily.

These were his stats post All Star:

17.1ppg 7.7reb 3.7ast
FG%: 53.3
3FG%: 27.4
FT% :73.9
TS%: 58.1
USG%: 20.1
ORTG: 121
DRTG: 112

Not bad at all when you look at it. So lets say the 3FG% increases along with his FT%, FTr and USG% goes up a bit more in his second year. You're probably looking at 21ppg 8.5 reb 4.5 ast season average, which is All Star worthy numbers. Will he be an All Star in his second year who knows but it definitely looks promising.

[anotherhomer]

i think a lot of you guys are way too bullish and setting yourself up for disappointment

I'll say 18 points, 8 rebound and 4 assists
while everyone around him continue to improve

Otherwise he'll be pulling shots/touch away from everyone else

[And1Skip]

Vince was still hugely popular at least for his first 2 years with the Nets. T-Mac self-explanatory. Bosh definitely got more recognition being stateside but also playing next to LBJ helps. Kawhi was a Superstar before coming here and is just as much afterwards (the Clippers are second fiddle in that city and that doesn't change no matter who is playing there). The rest mentioned are irrelevant.

I travel to and from the States quite often so I see the media coverage down here it's different but when you compare 332m to 38m it's going to be. It's something the Raptors are always going to have to deal with. The NBA is a marketing and star driven League where the other major sports are more team-oriented.

Who knows maybe Scottie pulls a Giannis and and says f it and reups when he's eligible.

Yeah, I'm sorry but you're tripping. Vince never came close to the same level of popularity with the Nets, you can say he was popular but he definitely didn't become MORE popular in New Jersey. He has a chance.

Bosh became more recognizable, but as a punchline. People were calling the Heat trio the big 2 and a half. He was more visible because he was on a winning team with LeBron and Wade, it had little to do with him being stateside. He was never a bigger star than when he was with us.

My point about Kawhi stands. He became an afterthought with the Clippers, and only served as a foible to LeBron in the battle for LA which ended with a whimper.

You can be the most popular player in the NBA playing in Toronto, Vince proved that.

I'll just add that Vinsanity was immense in the US. ESPN had a weekly highlight reel on Vince. The NBA Store in Manhattan when I visited then not far from where the NYK played, had a Vince Jersey showcased @front. The Raptors had one of the highest road attendance with Vince. He could not have been more popular if he were anyplace else except maybe LA or NY.

He was arguably (especially by Nets fans) a better player in New Jersey but he was most popular while in Toronto. Barnes is not nearly as flashy as Vince but he has this Magic Johnson vibe that the media love and attract fans. He has a chance.

I will also add in Vince's last full season with the Raptors in 2004, he was still the leading vote getter to the all-star game with more than 2.1 million votes. Popularity started to decrease the year he was traded but he still started the ASG. Then in 2006 his first full year with Nets, 1.3 million votes and only started as an injury replacement. He didn't start in 2007 ASG despite having great stats. His game deteriorated after that and never made another ASG.

Chris Bosh started the 2007 ASG because he got enough votes and the Raptors were surprisingly decent that year and got that Canadian buzz again. He never got enough votes again but was close in 2010 with 1.3m votes. His first year with Heat, he only got 570K votes.

[blastttOFF]

Barnes will explode for 20/8/5 on 48%/34%/80% splits next season.

I'm more bullish

23/10/6 50%/35%/80%
MIP and some MVP votes and some DPY votes as well.

I'm even more bullish.

27/12/8 on 53/38/85 splits

League MVP, DPOY, and FMVP.

while being 4th in the pecking order?

[PoundTown]

i think a lot of you guys are way too bullish and setting yourself up for disappointment

I'll say 18 points, 8 rebound and 4 assists
while everyone around him continue to improve

Otherwise he'll be pulling shots/touch away from everyone else

I'm going with 19, 8, 4.5 on 47%FG from field, 34% from 3. About the same amount of minutes.

[DG88]

i think a lot of you guys are way too bullish and setting yourself up for disappointment

I'll say 18 points, 8 rebound and 4 assists
while everyone around him continue to improve

Otherwise he'll be pulling shots/touch away from everyone else

He was averaging that post all star break essentially. Considering that we're probably lowering Fred's minutes and usage he should be over 20ppg along with improvements to shooting

[HumbleRen]

Barnes will explode for 20/8/5 on 48%/34%/80% splits next season.

I'm more bullish

23/10/6 50%/35%/80%
MIP and some MVP votes and some DPY votes as well.

I'm even more bullish.

27/12/8 on 53/38/85 splits

League MVP, DPOY, and FMVP.

No cap, this looks super repeatable

Watch on YouTube

[HumbleRen]

My official prediction for his stats next year will be ..

19/8/5 on 50/33/78 splits. Could easily be higher but there’s gonna be a lot of mouths to feed next year if OG and FVV can stay relatively healthy for the whole year.

[DreamTeam09]

Been watching a lot of Scottie highlights over this last week, I really hope he’s working on his separation skills.

Playing bully ball works when your third or 2nd option but he’s gonna need a bigger bag when teams start to double him. Handles and foot work need to be on point !

Lebron made his whole career being bigger and more athletic than anyone on the court

Giannis became elite when his strength caught up with his frame

I still agree with you that he has improvement areas to work, but part of what makes scottie scottie is his size and coordination.