Tank World Order (XIV) Here we go, The Final Stretch of the 2025 Tank Season!!!

[dohboy_24]

The tank has commenced. Mods... shut this down!

[Duffman100]

The tank has commenced. Mods... shut this down!

commenced or concluded?

[DreamTeam09]

The team with the 7th best lottery odds has jumped into the top 4 4-6 times since the NBA flattened the lottery odds
2019 1st pick NO
2020 4th pick Chicago
2021 4th pick Toronto
2022 4th pick Sacramento
2023 7th pick Indiana
2024 9th pick Memphis

[Son Goku 25]

The team with the 7th best lottery odds has jumped into the top 4 4-6 times since the NBA flattened the lottery odds
2019 1st pick NO
2020 4th pick Chicago
2021 4th pick Toronto
2022 4th pick Sacramento
2023 7th pick Indiana
2024 9th pick Memphis

Glad 2024 it dropped to not make it obvious.

Former Duke player going first with a team with 7th best odds, you know what to do Silver.

[Tacoma]

The team with the 7th best lottery odds has jumped into the top 4 4-6 times since the NBA flattened the lottery odds
2019 1st pick NO
2020 4th pick Chicago
2021 4th pick Toronto
2022 4th pick Sacramento
2023 7th pick Indiana
2024 9th pick Memphis

If I throw a fair coin 4x and it comes up heads each time, the odds that I throw a head on the 5th try is still 50/50. History is irrelevant.

Re the draft, from 7th place we have: 31.9% odds to move up, 19.7% we stay 7th, and 48.4% we move down. While we certainly hope we beat the odds & move up, the math unfortunately says otherwise. If you believe this history tells that the fix is in, then all bets are off.

[wegotthabeet]

Sure let's use caliber. I thought that would be understood lol. Presti's not just good, he's elite. As is Masai.. and both have different philosophies of building a roster. In the end, you build a team good enough to compete for a title - a true contender, which is what he's done multiple times. To get it over the hump you still need a lot of luck on your side.

I disagree with this statement. They have the exact same team building philosophy in my opinion, we're just 3 years behind where OKC is at and most likely without the future MVP level talent.

I think every great exec does the same thing in essence. Accumulate, wait, consolidate. They build up assets, wait for the right opportunity, then execute.

Presti focuses on draft picks at every opportunity. Masai doesn't operate like that. For example instead of trading OG for a pick package to Memphis, he chose to wait and go after competent players in NY. Those are major differences in philosophy since Presti loves to pick from the very top and Masai doesn't deplete the roster to get there. The only true similarity they have is they love the draft and they can both scout. Masai is also a willing spender with his draft compensation compared to Presti who (so far) likes to hold on

Was he focusing on draft picks when he traded Oladipo & Sabonis for Paul George?

[Godaddycurse]

The tank has commenced. Mods... shut this down!

commenced or concluded?

time for XV

[LoveMyRaps]

Successful season.

[WuTang_CMB]

I disagree with this statement. They have the exact same team building philosophy in my opinion, we're just 3 years behind where OKC is at and most likely without the future MVP level talent.

I think every great exec does the same thing in essence. Accumulate, wait, consolidate. They build up assets, wait for the right opportunity, then execute.

Presti focuses on draft picks at every opportunity. Masai doesn't operate like that. For example instead of trading OG for a pick package to Memphis, he chose to wait and go after competent players in NY. Those are major differences in philosophy since Presti loves to pick from the very top and Masai doesn't deplete the roster to get there. The only true similarity they have is they love the draft and they can both scout. Masai is also a willing spender with his draft compensation compared to Presti who (so far) likes to hold on

Was he focusing on draft picks when he traded Oladipo & Sabonis for Paul George?

"Masai and Presti have the exact same building philosophy"

here i'll make it easy for you, go to this link and you will understand the difference between the 2 gm's and how they view rebuilding

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

[Jcity08]

The team with the 7th best lottery odds has jumped into the top 4 4-6 times since the NBA flattened the lottery odds
2019 1st pick NO
2020 4th pick Chicago
2021 4th pick Toronto
2022 4th pick Sacramento
2023 7th pick Indiana
2024 9th pick Memphis

If I throw a fair coin 4x and it comes up heads each time, the odds that I throw a head on the 5th try is still 50/50. History is irrelevant.

Re the draft, from 7th place we have: 31.9% odds to move up, 19.7% we stay 7th, and 48.4% we move down. While we certainly hope we beat the odds & move up, the math unfortunately says otherwise. If you believe this history tells that the fix is in, then all bets are off.

Yup history really tells us nothing except on a long enough time scale and enough data points the results will reflect the odds that we see for the 7th pick

Namely this photo:

[wegotthabeet]

Presti focuses on draft picks at every opportunity. Masai doesn't operate like that. For example instead of trading OG for a pick package to Memphis, he chose to wait and go after competent players in NY. Those are major differences in philosophy since Presti loves to pick from the very top and Masai doesn't deplete the roster to get there. The only true similarity they have is they love the draft and they can both scout. Masai is also a willing spender with his draft compensation compared to Presti who (so far) likes to hold on

Was he focusing on draft picks when he traded Oladipo & Sabonis for Paul George?

"Masai and Presti have the exact same building philosophy"

here i'll make it easy for you, go to this link and you will understand the difference between the 2 gm's and how they view rebuilding

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

Those are future picks my guy. I think you missed the point entirely. We’re not at the same phase of the rebuild. Between 2016-2019 Presti is consolidating prospects and picks. He only pivots to rebuild and accumulating picks post SGA trade.

[Tha Cynic]

OKC showed some serious trouble against the Lakers and will probably run into other problems in the playoffs. At some point they’re going to need to make a big trade and Presti has never shown an ability to consolidate when required. We’ll see what happens. IMO SGA, JDub and Chet isn’t a championship team.

Presti has been a great talent evaluator but can’t seem to close - he’s very risk averse and you won’t get anywhere like that.

[WuTang_CMB]

Was he focusing on draft picks when he traded Oladipo & Sabonis for Paul George?

"Masai and Presti have the exact same building philosophy"

here i'll make it easy for you, go to this link and you will understand the difference between the 2 gm's and how they view rebuilding

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

Those are future picks my guy. I think you missed the point entirely. We’re not at the same phase of the rebuild. Between 2016-2019 Presti is consolidating prospects and picks. He only pivots to rebuild and accumulating picks post SGA trade.

You seem confused. Presti was hyper focused on future draft assets during his rebuild, Masai was not (since next year all things point to playoff time). Did you read the list of future assets between the two clubs? That's a major difference #1. Also, Presti chose to bottom out both in Durant era and SGA era (22 and 24 wins). He's a tanker and believes in it. Masai has never once bottomed out to full out tank to start the season. These are all major differences in how they view rebuilding. To say they have the exact same building philosophy is flat out false.

[PushDaRock]

OKC showed some serious trouble against the Lakers and will probably run into other problems in the playoffs. At some point they’re going to need to make a big trade and Presti has never shown an ability to consolidate when required. We’ll see what happens. IMO SGA, JDub and Chet isn’t a championship team.

I would disagree, I think they definitely have enough to win this year.

[Tha Cynic]

OKC showed some serious trouble against the Lakers and will probably run into other problems in the playoffs. At some point they’re going to need to make a big trade and Presti has never shown an ability to consolidate when required. We’ll see what happens. IMO SGA, JDub and Chet isn’t a championship team.

I would disagree, I think they definitely have enough to win this year.

We’ll see - I think they’ll run into matchup issues. The West is rough - it’s not the cakewalk Boston had last season.

[dohboy_24]

The tank has commenced. Mods... shut this down!

commenced or concluded?

As Vince would say - it's over!

We have secured a lottery pick in the 2025 NBA draft.

Unless we're going to talk about the draft lottery and what pick we're going to get for the next month, what is the point of this thread staying open now that we've secured our draft lottery position and our tanking efforts have been successful?

[Duffman100]

The tank has commenced. Mods... shut this down!

commenced or concluded?

As Vince would say - it's over!

We have secured a lottery pick in the 2025 NBA draft.

Unless we're going to talk about the draft lottery and what pick we're going to get for the next month, what is the point of this thread staying open now that we've secured our draft lottery position and our tanking efforts have been successful?

If we slip to 8-10, it probably makes sense to have this thread open so people can complain in isolation.

[Raps in 4]

OKC showed some serious trouble against the Lakers and will probably run into other problems in the playoffs. At some point they’re going to need to make a big trade and Presti has never shown an ability to consolidate when required. We’ll see what happens. IMO SGA, JDub and Chet isn’t a championship team.

Presti has been a great talent evaluator but can’t seem to close - he’s very risk averse and you won’t get anywhere like that.

Presti really should go hard after Jokic or Giannis. He could easily trade for either one this off-season.

**** having a 10 year window with this core (which I don't think is even possible given Chet's health). Go for 2-3 guaranteed championships instead. I think an SGA-Jokic core easily threepeats. Giannis will probably start declining soon, but SGA-Giannis should still be could for a few titles. SGA-Chet-JWill might never be good enough to win a title.

[dohboy_24]

If we slip to 8-10, it probably makes sense to have this thread open so people can complain in isolation.

Wouldn't the thread dedicated to discussing the 2025 NBA Draft suffice for such discourse?
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=2450680

Should we actually drop to the 8-10 range, perhaps we can just bring up the discussions from last year's draft when those who wanted to convey our pick to San Antonio and those who valued this year's draft over last year's prospects said they would prefer a draft pick at the end of the lottery (#10-#14) in 2025 over a top 7 pick in the 2024 draft and remind them that they got what they wanted?

[Duffman100]

If we slip to 8-10, it probably makes sense to have this thread open so people can complain in isolation.

Wouldn't the thread dedicated to discussing the 2025 NBA Draft suffice for such discourse?
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=2450680

Should we actually drop to the 8-10 range, perhaps we can just bring up the discussions from last year's draft when those who wanted to convey our pick to San Antonio and those who valued this year's draft over last year's prospects said they would prefer a draft pick at the end of the lottery (#10-#14) in 2025 over a top 7 pick in the 2024 draft and remind them that they got what they wanted?

Already derailing that thread haha